[Theory] Sasuke do not possess Tsukuyomi....

[The Sach]

I agree with this theory pretty much but I thought it was obvious we haven't seen Obito using Tsukuyomi, same is true in case of Madara..:yeah:

 

[-ahhimane-]

Nope. Look at the color of Sasuke's normal Genjutsu, then look at the color of Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

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And finally look at the color of the Genjutsu Sasuke used on Bee.. It's Tsukuyomi not his normal Genjutsu.

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LOL, that was Sasuke's way of doing Genjutsu. Bro. If you compare the background then I should laugh at the Genjutsu he used against Danzo and Kabuto who were powerful enough than which he used it against Killer Bee. It's like he has a Zero progress in his mastery over (your so called) Tsukuyomi from so much time. What you say?

EDIT : I also want to add. What was the color of the scenes when Itachi put Sasuke under Tsukuyomi?

 

[The Sach]

If Madara didn't have Tsukyomi how would he go about casting Infinite Tsukyomi?

Also Sasuke got Itachi's eyes and Itachi's eyes powers so even if he didn't unlock Tsukyomi he gained it once he transplanted Itachi's eyes.

Let me tell you something to cast InfiniteTsukuyomi you don't need Tsukuyomi, you just need to use simple genjutsu, just like Madara gave demo to Obito he just used three tomeo sharigan as shown here, to introduce him to dream world..

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So in short you don't need Tsukuyomi for Infinite Tsukuyomi you just need to multiply effect of your genjutsu using moon..

 

[-ahhimane-]

If Madara didn't have Tsukyomi how would he go about casting Infinite Tsukyomi?

Also Sasuke got Itachi's eyes and Itachi's eyes powers so even if he didn't unlock Tsukyomi he gained it once he transplanted Itachi's eyes.

Madara could have taken over Obito once he found Obito was also betraying him. He could have used Tsukuyomi on Obito and forced him to use the Resurrection seals to revive himself but he couldn't/didn't. Why? Because he do not possess Tsukuyomi.
Also if Sasuke got hands over itachi's eyes then why he also didn't use Tsukuyomi to free Itachi?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Let me tell you something to cast Tsukuyomi you don't need Infinite Tsukuyomi, you just need to use simple genjutsu, just like Madara gave demo to Obito he just used three tomeo sharigan as shown here, to introduce him to dream world..

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I never said you did you got it backwards, I said to cast INFINTE TSUKUYOMI you need TSUKUYOMI it's in the name. Madara was just giving Obito a taste of what he was talking about. That'd be like having an attack called Infinite Rasengen but not needing Rasengan in order to do it.

Madara could have taken over Obito once he found Obito was also betraying him. He could have used Tsukuyomi on Obito and forced him to use the Resurrection seals to revive himself but he couldn't/didn't. Why? Because he do not possess Tsukuyomi.
Also if Sasuke got hands over itachi's eyes then why he also didn't use Tsukuyomi to free Itachi?

Madara wasn't in a proximity to cast a genjutsu on Obito when Obito decided not to revive him he was off waiting for Hashirama. As for Sasuke you'd have to ask Kishi, but he has Itachi's eyes which had Tsukuyomi.

 

[Gerkak]

Just stop I made a thread on his ages ago and they didn't believe me no matter what evidence I provided.

 

[Aertes]

why such elaborate thread...heres a simple one why he doesnot have tsukuyomi...

after awakening ms you get two ms techs
for itachi it was amatersu and tsukuyomi

for sasuke its amatersu and the ability to manipulate amatersu flames..

D END.

Nature and shape manipulation are 2 different things that can be used in all elements. Enton is amaterasu with shape manipulatuon, not anew power.

Sasuke used tsukuyomi twice. Just because it's not on the same level with Itachi's doesn't mean it is not the same technique.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Madara wasn't in a proximity to cast a genjutsu on Obito when Obito decided not to revive him he was off waiting for Hashirama. As for Sasuke you'd have to ask Kishi, but he has Itachi's eyes which had Tsukuyomi.

Look at this :

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Madara could smell the betrayal clearly. Also Hashirama was not revived during that period.
And Kishi's not gonna show Sasuke's Tsukuyomi.

 

[Bronze]

he used it twice on danzo which he then said that its weaker than itachi's

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he used it on killer bee

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he cannot use susanoo unless he has tsukuyomi + amatersu. your theory is in nutshell.

 

[naruttebayo]

yeah you are right
databook is kinda vague, you can find many BS there.

he used it twice on danzo which he then said that its weaker than itachi's

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he used it on killer bee

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he cannot use susanoo unless he has tsukuyomi + amatersu. your theory is in nutshell.

read for urself he did not use tsukyomi there

 

[Bronze]

read for urself he did not use tsukyomi there

why danzo would say yours (sasuke's tsukuyomi) is nothing compared to itachi's tsukuyomi. not to mention the black background when he used on killer bee and the pain he felt shows that he used tskuyomi.

 

[-ahhimane-]

EDIT : MANGA never proved Sasuke saying Tsukuyomi!!

Why didn't he felt the same pain while using it against Danzo?

 

[Bronze]

My reaction is still the same NO CHANGE

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EDIT : MANGA never proved Sasuke saying Tsukuyomi!!

Why didn't he felt the same pain while using it against Danzo?

too bad manga shows otherwise*_*

DB disagree with this sh1tty theory:

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manga disagree with this sh1tty theory:

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lol even naruto wiki disagree with this sh1tty theory:
is the third ability granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan to those who awaken the abilities Tsukuyomi — which symbolises the "darkness of the spiritual world" and Amaterasu — which denotes the "light of the material world".

manga+databook+narutowiki > you and your sh1tty theory.

your theory is in:

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[Minator93]

Sasuke has Tsukuyomi [canon] and not just justu but with actual word as well U_U

 

[NinjutsuSeeker]

I didn even read because sasuke did it to danzo.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Sasuke has Tsukuyomi [canon] and not just justu but with actual word as well U_U

where he says? Show?

I didn even read because sasuke did it to danzo.

LOL, Danzo gets caught under a weak Genjutsu placed on his hand but breaks through Tsukuyomi XD

 

[thegame]

1: Not to flame or anything, but seriously, use does and do correctly (he does, we do, etc..).

2: For the actual importance of the thread, you do provide good arguments, and nothing you say is incorrect, however, you left out the most important occasion, that proves that Sasuke is capable of using Tsukuyomi. And here I am of course referring to his battle with Killer Bee.

What is different in Kishis drawings of Tsukuyomi compared to other Genjutsu? The background is pitch black. This we have seen in every instant, where Tsukuyomi has been used, you even brought some of them with you as well.

In Sasukes battle with Bee, Sasuke used a genjutsu on him, there was eye contact, it was with MS, the background was pitch black, Sasuke felt pain in the eye afterwards. The evidence is simply too overwhelming, and thus rest of your "evidence" in this thread is pointless.

It's all in chapter 413 btw, easier to just look through it, than posting scans here.

 

[Bronze]

Dumbass take a good look in your manga books

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It's written "My eyes" that means purely Itachi is explaining his own abilities.

Also here :

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It says : CASTER : UCHIHA ITACHI (if not found, look at right corner )

You don't know how to read a manga and a data book and giving false proofs HAhahahahahahaha.
Prove me wrong with Sasuke's Databook. Don't show me Itachi's

I guess your brain is in nutshell

you do realize that at that time itachi was the only susanoo user. he says once he awakened tsukuyomi and amatersu, susanoo is born. therefore tsukuyomi + amatersu = susanoo.

again, at that time only itachi had susanoo and the DB was finished in itachi vs sasuke fight. it is no wonder they are gonna talk about itachi. look at the ride side, it mentions about amatersu and tsukuyomi which leads to susanoo. this susanoo in general not itachi.

lol sasuke has used it on killer bee and danzo. faiiiil

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this childless worthless discussion is over. its like i am talking to 5 year old jesus

 

[jorgelius]

People say that Sasuke possess Tsukuyomi but is weak, not mastered yet and so on... But he do not possess it. I've explained it below along with how Itachi uses Tsukuyomi

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Sasuke do not possess Tsukuyomi. Because he already have two powers, First in Amaterasu and the Second is Manipulating and Extinguishing the Amaterasu flames.

From Itachi's point of view, it was said that to unlock Susano'o, two powers must be unlocked that is Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. That was for Itachi and not for every Uchiha possessing MS.

Sasuke used Amaterasu against Killer Bee as well as tried to Extinguish the flames. He accomplished one power completely, that is, Amaterasu.
The other power met the conditions when Sasuke manipulated the Amaterasu flames against Raikage at the Summit.
And then he acquired a skeletal Susano'o form.

Talking about Itachi's Tsukuyomi :
For Itachi, the Tsukuyomi is the another name for his Genjutsu powers. This is because Tsukuyomi grants Itachi powers to manipulate the time. Itachi is excellent with Genjutsu and that's why he got a power of manipulating the time in his Genjutsu world.

During Kakashi's fight he used Tsukuyomi, Itachi explains what the power provides. The power to control space, time and matter.

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During Sasuke vs Itachi, they were throwing Genjutsus at each other as explained by Zetsu. Most importantly Itachi used normal Genjutsu but a powerful one against Sasuke at the start. His Sharingan was three tomoe.
Zetsu said that they're still throwing Genjutsu at each other. That means time passed by as he was viewing them. Itachi didn't used Tsukuyomi at that time.

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Take a look when Itachi used his Tsukuyomi on Sasuke. During his fight with Kakashi, Kakashi looked in Itachi's eyes with his Sharingan eye and got caught into his Tsukuyomi.
Now, when do you think Sasuke fall for Itachi's Tsukuyomi?
The time when Itachi appeared suddenly in front of Sasuke with his MS after the rain of shurikens against each other and then cutting Itachi's arm with bigger Shuriken

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That time Itachi controlled the space, matter and time, that is the place they were battling against each other. There was a difference in type of Tsukuyomi when he used it against Kakashi.
During the time of battling, Zetsu was not shown even for a single panel to explain the things.
But this is an image of Zetsu where he seems to be shocked at the scene as Itachi plucks out Sasuke's eye. Take a good look. Who's shocked? Its white Zetsu

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But the truth is that white Zetsu was amazed how quickly Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke because Sasuke falls on his knees where he was standing. That was the place where Itachi appeared in front of him.

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But Black Zetsu was not confirm whether Sasuke fall for Tsukuyomi or not and then he made a statement that Sasuke overcame the Tsukuyomi.
The bold words are spoken by Black Zetsu. (that is Madara's part)

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This explains that Itachi can only use Tsukuyomi when he intends to use a Genjutsu in his MS active state. Otherwise it is just a Genjutsu.

Talking about Danzo's statement

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He commented on Itachi's Tsukuyomi because Itachi appeared in front of him with his MS.

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He understood that Sasuke used a Genjutsu on him. But compared to Itachi's where he manipulates time, Sasuke's Genjutsu stands nowhere.

This is Tobi's explanation after Danzo is pierced by Sasuke's sword.
There is also a flashback of Itachi's illusion which Sasuke used to keep his Genjutsu active on Danzo's hand.

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During the fight with Kabuto...
Both were under Genjutsu and couldn't move from their places. So Itachi used Tsukuyomi to free Sasuke while Sasuke used normal Genjutsu to free Itachi.

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Take a good look at Sasuke's MS/EMS. During his fight with Danzo and then with Kabuto with his MS/EMS active, he was only able to cast Genjutsu but not Tsukuyomi. And whenever Itachi used Genjutsu in his MS was active form, it was Tsukuyomi.​

well A for affort but making peace of argument long doesnt make it right. couple things: itachi vs sasuke it seems mangekyo doesnt need to be activated while tsukyomi, itachi did use tsukyomi from get to go, to ensure he maintain controll and can show sasuke very detailed stuff and go anywhere he need/want with genjutsu

i have many reasons to believe sasuke have tsukyomi and reasons are very simple and hard to ignore: even if sasuke didn't activate his own tsukyomi when he obtained amaterasu/Mangekyo he would have it when he transplanted itachi's eyes simply because itachi had tsukyomi that is just how ems and eye implanting works. u obtain ocular powers of eyes

 

[Bansho Tenin]

just because his tsukuyomi sucks doesnt mean he doesnt have it....