[Theory] Sasuke do not possess Tsukuyomi....

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People say that Sasuke possess Tsukuyomi but is weak, not mastered yet and so on... But he do not possess it. I've explained it below along with how Itachi uses Tsukuyomi

Sasuke do not possess Tsukuyomi. Because he already have two powers, First in Amaterasu and the Second is Manipulating and Extinguishing the Amaterasu flames.

From Itachi's point of view, it was said that to unlock Susano'o, two powers must be unlocked that is Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. That was for Itachi and not for every Uchiha possessing MS.

Sasuke used Amaterasu against Killer Bee as well as tried to Extinguish the flames. He accomplished one power completely, that is, Amaterasu.
The other power met the conditions when Sasuke manipulated the Amaterasu flames against Raikage at the Summit.
And then he acquired a skeletal Susano'o form.

Talking about Itachi's Tsukuyomi :
For Itachi, the Tsukuyomi is the another name for his Genjutsu powers. This is because Tsukuyomi grants Itachi powers to manipulate the time. Itachi is excellent with Genjutsu and that's why he got a power of manipulating the time in his Genjutsu world.

During Kakashi's fight he used Tsukuyomi, Itachi explains what the power provides. The power to control space, time and matter.
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During Sasuke vs Itachi, they were throwing Genjutsus at each other as explained by Zetsu. Most importantly Itachi used normal Genjutsu but a powerful one against Sasuke at the start. His Sharingan was three tomoe.
Zetsu said that they're still throwing Genjutsu at each other. That means time passed by as he was viewing them. Itachi didn't used Tsukuyomi at that time.
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Take a look when Itachi used his Tsukuyomi on Sasuke. During his fight with Kakashi, Kakashi looked in Itachi's eyes with his Sharingan eye and got caught into his Tsukuyomi.
Now, when do you think Sasuke fall for Itachi's Tsukuyomi?
The time when Itachi appeared suddenly in front of Sasuke with his MS after the rain of shurikens against each other and then cutting Itachi's arm with bigger Shuriken
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That time Itachi controlled the space, matter and time, that is the place they were battling against each other. There was a difference in type of Tsukuyomi when he used it against Kakashi.
During the time of battling, Zetsu was not shown even for a single panel to explain the things.
But this is an image of Zetsu where he seems to be shocked at the scene as Itachi plucks out Sasuke's eye. Take a good look. Who's shocked? Its white Zetsu
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But the truth is that white Zetsu was amazed how quickly Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke because Sasuke falls on his knees where he was standing. That was the place where Itachi appeared in front of him.
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But Black Zetsu was not confirm whether Sasuke fall for Tsukuyomi or not and then he made a statement that Sasuke overcame the Tsukuyomi.
The bold words are spoken by Black Zetsu. (that is Madara's part)
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This explains that Itachi can only use Tsukuyomi when he intends to use a Genjutsu in his MS active state. Otherwise it is just a Genjutsu.

Talking about Danzo's statement
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He commented on Itachi's Tsukuyomi because Itachi appeared in front of him with his MS.

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He understood that Sasuke used a Genjutsu on him. But compared to Itachi's where he manipulates time, Sasuke's Genjutsu stands nowhere.

This is Tobi's explanation after Danzo is pierced by Sasuke's sword.
There is also a flashback of Itachi's illusion which Sasuke used to keep his Genjutsu active on Danzo's hand.
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During the fight with Kabuto...
Both were under Genjutsu and couldn't move from their places. So Itachi used Tsukuyomi to free Sasuke while Sasuke used normal Genjutsu to free Itachi.
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Take a good look at Sasuke's MS/EMS. During his fight with Danzo and then with Kabuto with his MS/EMS active, he was only able to cast Genjutsu but not Tsukuyomi. And whenever Itachi used Genjutsu in his MS was active form, it was Tsukuyomi.
 

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Well...I myself feel he has to actually do it, or say this is Tsukyomi...something like that. If not to me he cannot use it...thats just me. Also...I believe Itachi can put out Amaterasu flames as well iirc.
 
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why such elaborate thread...heres a simple one why he doesnot have tsukuyomi...

after awakening ms you get two ms techs
for itachi it was amatersu and tsukuyomi

for sasuke its amatersu and the ability to manipulate amatersu flames..

D END.
 

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So Sasuke didn't use Tsukuyomi on Killer Bee?
Okay.
 

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why such elaborate thread...heres a simple one why he doesnot have tsukuyomi...

after awakening ms you get two ms techs
for itachi it was amatersu and tsukuyomi

for sasuke its amatersu and the ability to manipulate amatersu flames..

D END.

Its good that you're one of us who thinks that way. But some people needs proof, isn't it?
 

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The fact he has never displayed such a tech and his 2 MS techs were Amaterasu and Enton is enough for me
 

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You need to have Tsukiyomi in order to use Susano'o. The prerequisite for that technique is also Amaterasu, that's why it is vital for any Uchiha to learn the two abilities. Granted, Sasuke may not have the much control or skill at using the Genjutsu, but he definitely has it.
 

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even if he has is shit compared to itachi/madara/shisui... :)
 

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Look at the first scan, Bee made eye contact with Sasuke while Sasuke had MS activated. In the second scan, Sasuke covered his eye with a palm just like Itachi did.


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Sorry to disappoint you, but Sasuke already used Tsukuyomi.
 

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You need to have Tsukiyomi in order to use Susano'o. The prerequisite for that technique is also Amaterasu, that's why it is vital for any Uchiha to learn the two abilities. Granted, Sasuke may not have the much control or skill at using the Genjutsu, but he definitely has it.


Madara has Susano even the full susano but it hasnt ever been stated that he has tsukyomi. he has always been using normal Genjutsu. So you point is invalid
 

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Lol you really haev a fetih with Tsukuyomi but yes you're right=D... that is till it's proved otherwise:p
 

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You need to have Tsukiyomi in order to use Susano'o. The prerequisite for that technique is also Amaterasu, that's why it is vital for any Uchiha to learn the two abilities. Granted, Sasuke may not have the much control or skill at using the Genjutsu, but he definitely has it.

ok who the hell says user needs amatersu and tsukuyomi to unlock susanoo...

the user simply needs to awaken ms in both the eyes.

i dont know about the manga but in anime sasuke vs itachi, itachi clearly states that and i quote "this is my trump card, a tech only those who have awakened ms in both eyes can use, the third tech of my ms... susanoo."
 

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Look at the first scan, Bee made eye contact with Sasuke while Sasuke had MS activated. In the second scan, Sasuke covered his eye with a palm just like Itachi did.


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Sorry to disappoint you, but Sasuke already used Tsukuyomi.

First Sasuke breakthrough Itachi's Tsukuyomi and that is why Itachi was holding his eye.
Secondly Sasuke used normal Genjutsu on Killer Bee. He held his hand to his eye because he found that the Genjutsu broke and that's why he turned to look at Killer Bee and got a Lariat. Tsukuyomi is not the type of Genjutsu that can be easily broken by a partner.
Also Itachi explained Kakashi about who can break through Tsukuyomi.
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Look at the first scan, Bee made eye contact with Sasuke while Sasuke had MS activated. In the second scan, Sasuke covered his eye with a palm just like Itachi did.

Maybe normal Genjutsu?

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^ beat me to it!
 

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Madara has Susano even the full susano but it hasnt ever been stated that he has tsukyomi. he has always been using normal Genjutsu. So you point is invalid

This ^^^^
Plus he could have easily take over Obito's body using Tsukuyomi while standing on the Juubi chitchatting against each other.
 

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First Sasuke breakthrough Itachi's Tsukuyomi and that is why Itachi was holding his eye.
Secondly Sasuke used normal Genjutsu on Killer Bee. He held his hand to his eye because he found that the Genjutsu broke and that's why he turned to look at Killer Bee and got a Lariat. Tsukuyomi is not the type of Genjutsu that can be easily broken by a partner.
Also Itachi explained Kakashi about who can break through Tsukuyomi.
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You can't say that. This is only a mere assumption. How can you say that Sasuke touching his eye is due to that realization and not just because of pain?
 

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First Sasuke breakthrough Itachi's Tsukuyomi and that is why Itachi was holding his eye.
Secondly Sasuke used normal Genjutsu on Killer Bee. He held his hand to his eye because he found that the Genjutsu broke and that's why he turned to look at Killer Bee and got a Lariat. Tsukuyomi is not the type of Genjutsu that can be easily broken by a partner.
Also Itachi explained Kakashi about who can break through Tsukuyomi.
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Nope. Look at the color of Sasuke's normal Genjutsu, then look at the color of Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

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And finally look at the color of the Genjutsu Sasuke used on Bee.. It's Tsukuyomi not his normal Genjutsu.

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You can't say that. This is only a mere assumption. How can you say that Sasuke touching his eye is due to that realization and not just because of pain?

Did you read Itachi's quotes in that spoiler tag?
You'll notice that Bee was not under Tsukuyomi.
Other wise the pain can be because of something else but not because of break through of Tsukuyomi.
 

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Madara has Susano even the full susano but it hasnt ever been stated that he has tsukyomi. he has always been using normal Genjutsu. So you point is invalid

If Madara didn't have Tsukyomi how would he go about casting Infinite Tsukyomi?

Also Sasuke got Itachi's eyes and Itachi's eyes powers so even if he didn't unlock Tsukyomi he gained it once he transplanted Itachi's eyes.
 
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