RSM! (Yang Chakra Mode Theory)

[Jokule67]

Really? So zero feats of any ninjutsu = no ninjutsu? Zero feats for MS techs for Indra = no MS techs? :lol

This logic is really not supporting your argument at all, buddy. And that's aside from the fact that we do have a feat of what could possibly be a mode.



Kishi already showed it to us. The only problem here is that you're choosing to believe it wasn't a mode, which is just your opinion, so it's not really going to affect mine and it establishes nothing. If you have a logical or factual explanations regarding this, then you're welcome.



Okay, I get your point. Can't say the same about agreeing with it though...

The thing is Base Naruto didn't really had the chance to grow as much as Base Hashirama. Had he reached Hashi's age and matured equally, he'd be just as powerful in terms of chakra and physical aspects. Of course, that is excluding Mokuton for Hashirama and FRS for Naruto because it is just a lucky elemental/KKG advantage that Hashirama has that makes him stronger. By raw power, Hashirama wouldn't be any stronger than a corresponding Naruto.



Well, if you remember, Tobirama said that when Uchihas experience grief and pain, a special chakra sprouts from their brain making them significantly more powerful. That special chakra will obviously be correspondingly powerful as their own chakra, it will be a lot stronger for the person with natural Rikodou chakra than for a person with regular Uchiha chakra, so it'll make a significant difference.

And it's a pretty obvious thing that MS Indra >> 3T Indra, just like how any MS Uchiha >> any 3T Uchiha.



True. But what Indra actually passed down was his chakra and genes (that resulted in the passing down of his powers i.e. dojutsu) in THE SAME WAY Ashura passed down his chakra and genes. So naturally it should also result in the passing down of HIS powers, which (you believe) were equal to Indra's whatever they were. So again, I don't see the problem in all of that, and am not getting any reliable explanation as to why Ashura's reincarnations are unable to compete against Indra's reincarnations naturally when they both were passed down with an equally powerful chakra.



Ashura didn't and didn't need to pass down modes, especially when you believe his own natural power rivaled Indra. So the only thing which he really had to pass down for his reincarnations to be equal to Indra naturally is his chakra, which is exactly what he did.

If Ashura had a mode, then this gets easier to explain. But you don't want to believe that. You want to believe that Base Ashura = MS Indra. TBH, I will believe you till Base Ashura = 3T Indra, though logically it should be Base Ashura = Base Indra, but regardless. But saying Base Ashura = MS Indra takes it a little too far.



But again, this raises the question. What prove do you have that whatever powers Ashura had in his final battle against Indra was purely his own self attainment?

Naruto is the only character to have been shown to have modes. Because he uses Kyuubis power. Ashura uses his own power. No mode needed. You see him in normal clothes. Simple as that.

Hashirama was Stronger than Madara and didnt go through one mode other than Sage Mode which he only needed once Madara recieved Kyuubi.

Madara: 3tomoe, Mangekyou, Kyuubi PS Dude had three modes lol.

Hashirama: Base, Sage Mode

The only Mode I see Ashura activating is Six Paths Sage Mode. Which if he recieved it or awakened it would be different than his own chakra. Sasuke is proof of this. Sasuke has to ADD Six Paths to gis chidori, it is not automatically there. Of course Sasuke obviously got a boost in base power but Sux Paths is a seperate chakra pool.

And tbh you dont know how Six Paths works. Noone does. What we do know is that Sage Mode has to be activated. When we saw Hago training his sons he was not floating with TSB rotating around him. He must have to activate it as well. Thats how Sage Mode has always worked.


And to respond to your last post I can see the Uzumaki seal connecting Minato and Naruto, but that does not explain Ashura. Thats why the only connection I saw was Ninshu and Cooperation. Which Naruto used in the war and all perfect Jin use. You keep trying to make Kurama and Ashura Avatar's connection make sense. It just simply does'nt. The only connection they have is Symbolic nothing else.

Kishi obviously just wanted Naruto and Sasuke's fight to be mirror matching the first fight.

 

[Jokule67]

And just a side note. Indra snd Ashura had to have had Six Paths chakra otherwise Indra wouldnt stand a lick of a chance against those oversized Truth Seeker Orbs. It would erase that PS if it wasnt Rikudou based.

This is what I meant by they have Six Paths(they are direct sons) but they dont have Hagaromo's Six Paths Yin or Yang Power(Sun&Moon)

And this is why I thought Ashura may be able to unlock Six Paths Sage Mode on his own, considering Hagaromo onlyade him successor to Ninshu . He didnt do anything else

 

[NarutoX28]

And just a side note. Indra snd Ashura had to have had Six Paths chakra otherwise Indra wouldnt stand a lick of a chance against those oversized Truth Seeker Orbs. It would erase that PS if it wasnt Rikudou based.

This is what I meant by they have Six Paths(they are direct sons) but they dont have Hagaromo's Six Paths Yin or Yang Power(Sun&Moon)

And this is why I thought Ashura may be able to unlock Six Paths Sage Mode on his own, considering Hagaromo onlyade him successor to Ninshu . He didnt do anything else

Or perhaps Asura was unable to apply Onmyoudon to his TSB.

 

[Zawerni]

All I have to say is:

Thank you and Naruto Uzumaki FTW ​

 

[take it easy]

Naruto got Sage Senjutsu plus Sage chakra to get TSB. Sasuke got Sage chakra plus Ashura chakra to get RInnegan.
Both of them have sage chakra.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Who needs Ninjutsu when you have PS & Ashura avatar?

Apparently, Naruto and Sasuke did. Indra's Arrow and Dual NE FRS are ninjutsu, FYI. And Ashura had his TSBs while Indra was shown with nothing i.e. no feats. So by your logic, Indra doesn't have any ninjutsu.

Pretty much no-one had ninjutsu then, not even the sage because Indra invented it.

But during their last fight, they did.

Also recall, we know Indra had amaterasu as per Kaguya's statement.

It didn't prove anything. She just meant Sasuke had Amaterasu and referred to him as "Indra's transmigrant".

Also my logic works fine bro it's your's that's baseless. Hashirama could spawn an avatar without any mode, & he's an Ashura transmigrant.

Hashirama doesn't have any Avatar. LMAO.

He had no mode. FACT. Its your assumption that he had a mode, which goes against the manga man. Unless you bring me a scan with evidence of this so called mode. Your "mode" will forever be fanfic.

And it's also your assumption that he didn't have a mode. How can you prove that Ashura's Avatar wasn't an outcome of a mode? No way.

Base Naruto would never really grown to be on par with Hashirama anyways due to Mokujin, physical stats, chakra & jutsu's. Excluding Mokuton Hashirama would still be above due to his superior healing, & combat prowess.

I'm referring to chakra prowess which is all being an Ashura's transmigration is about. Not the techs and abilities.

Not denying MS made Indra stronger, I'm saying. Half of his dad's power is still >>>> than a Mangekyo Sharingan.

True, but not with that much exaggeration. It'll make him just as relatively strong as MS made Sasuke. And BTW, half of dad's power + special chakra for MS (Indra) >> half of dad's power alone (Ashura).

His powers wre passed down, we're talking his sharingan right?
Ashura passed down literally nothing but the "body" life force/vitality & chakra.

Sharingan is the result of the Uchiha chakra & genes. It was passed down because he passed down his chakra & genes in the same way as Ashura did.

It's not like Indras descendents were able to use PS like he could with MS. Another reason why Rikudo chakra is huge.

Sure. Who denied that?

Hashirama matched Madara, & Naruto matched Sasuke? Not sure what the last statement is trying to imply?

Hashirama matched Madara because of Mokuton which is not a characteristic Ashura power. And Naruto couldn't match Sasuke without Kurama.

And that last statement is trying to imply that Base Naruto should be equal to MS Sasuke going by your logic that Base Ashura = MS Indra, which he obviously isn't.

It was stated in the manga man. "Through hard work & suffering the chakra in Ashura bloomed giving him power that rivaled his older brother Indra." & He didn't have a mode. Nothing at all supports that.

I've already addressed that nothing proves that Hagoromo was talking about MS Indra, who is significantly more powerful than 3T Indra.

He's a rikudo shinobi same rules don't apply.

Indra is also a Rikodou shinobi. Why do the same rules apply to him? Why does he need MS for Susanoo? Why can't he awaken Susanoo without MS like how Ashura gained his Avatar via asspull?

& Stop saying 3T & MS if it just makes you mad. Like I've said countless times above its irrelevant.

It's completely relevant. The power level will change dramatically.

Full Power Ashura with his avatar = Full Power Indra with his avatar. That's all.

True.

Btw since I know you usually don't get to respond till it's like a new day for me. (Time zones & all I guess.)

Perhaps.

Won't be able to reply immediately as I'm going on a trip to Mexico probably around the time you read this.

No problem. Then I think this argument will die soon.

The manga, chapter 670.

Again, doesn't say anything about Indra with or without MS.