RSM! (Yang Chakra Mode Theory)

[KidGamer65]

Bruh. Stop with the theories. Hagoromo stated that the chakra in his body bloomed due to training thus he obtained the same power as Ashura. The Avatar is his chakra. Him needing some special mode to use it is baseless and doesn't even make sense. RSM is just another type of Sage Mode, and no Sage Mode will ever nor has it ever grant someone a chakra Avatar.

Ashura's Avatar is basically the same as the Uchiha's Susanoo. A manifestation of his chakra.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

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Yes, he did inherit Hagoromo's Physical Energy. However, that doesn't mean he inherited Rikudou Chakra because Rikudou Chakra consists of both components: Rikudou's Yang + Rikudou's Yin or in other words, Asura and Indra as stated here:

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How did Asura inherit Rikudou's Chakra when he needs another component of his Chakra to awaken Rikudou's Chakra? Makes no sense.

And to further support this:

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Rikudou has both Powers whereas Asura and Indra individually, only have one Power, hence why they each only have a component of his power, but they don't have Rikudou chakra.

And again, you are wrong. I know you're shitting me with the whole, "Herp derp, his name's not Asura Senju," but if you read the manga, then it's confirmed that the origins of the Senju and Uchiha's Physical and Spiritual Energies (respectively) are Asura and Indra:

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But I already addressed that a little bit with my previous scan.

With what Asura displayed, he likely did use Rikudou Senjutsu, but the only way he could've done that is by receiving the Six Paths Power directly.

Exactly this.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Bruh. Stop with the theories. Hagoromo stated that the chakra in his body bloomed due to training thus he obtained the same power as Ashura Indra. The Avatar is his chakra. Him needing some special mode to use it is baseless and doesn't even make sense. RSM is just another type of Sage Mode, and no Sage Mode will ever nor has it ever grant someone a chakra Avatar.

Ashura's Avatar is basically the same as the Uchiha's Susanoo. A manifestation of his chakra.

Not very important, but corrected still.

 

[NarutoX28]

Guy claims that Asura's RSM is confirmed in the Databook yet doesn't provide the scan for it.

How disappointing, I'd really love to see it.

 

[Michael]

You basically debunked your own theory. :lol

If Minato had the same cloak, then it's obvious that it does not come from Ashura's chakra. It either comes with Kyuubi or Torii seal, but certainly not Ashura's chakra. If Minato got the same cloak from the Torii seal, there is absolutely nothing to prove that Naruto got that from Ashura's chakra instead of the exact same Torii seal.



It doesn't. But for activation and deactivation, it does. Otherwise, you'll always stay in RSM.



False. RSM comes with the Six Paths Senjutsu chakra which is =/= Six Paths chakra + Senjutsu.



Naruto got it because he got Six Paths Senjutsu chakra from the Sage. The only way for Ashura to get them would also be to get it from the Sage. Otherwise, he doesn't have RSM.



We don't know whether Indra had Indra's Arrow or not. Just because it is named after Indra doesn't make it his jutsu.



It'll not make sense once you realize how Six Paths Sage Mode is attained. Just draw in the Six Paths Senjutsu chakra and bam, you've Six Paths Sage Mode. Now tell me how could Naruto use RSM powers in BSM when drawing in the Six Paths Senjutsu chakra will automatically activate RSM and not BSM.



Dude, that was because Hagoromo's power was SPLIT between Indra and Ashura. Indra + Ashura is =/= Rinnegan, but rather Rinnegan = Indra + Ashura. There's a difference in that.



If Ashura is really listed in the databook as an RSM user, then Hagoromo gave him RSM power.

Because RSM is attained through Six Paths Senjutsu chakra, which is a stand alone chakra on its own. And Ashura having ONLY this chakra in him means he'll always be in RSM, unless he has a different chakra to switch to when he's not using the Six Paths Senjutsu chakra. And him having a different chakra cannot be possible on his own unless someone gives him that chakra. A person cannot have two different chakras naturally.



His Avatar doesn't look anything like Kurama though.



So why didn't Indra inherit his father's eyes i.e. Rinnegan?



His Avatar doesn't resemble Kurama. And Kurama himself mentioned being in only 3 jinchuurikis, I presume.

It was stated several times in the manga/databook Asura inherited his fathers body & life force and indra inherited his fathers eyes and strong chakra.

You're are correct in saying indra should've had rinnegan but idk prehaps his eyes were mutated mix between EMS/Rinnegan hence his swirly eye pattern. Sasuke also possess a mutated rinnegan, so anything is possible.

Also Six paths senjutsu = Six paths chakra + Natural Energy. Once Rikudou Chakra and Natural Energy mix the result is Rikudou Senjutsu.

 

[Michael]

Bruh. Stop with the theories. Hagoromo stated that the chakra in his body bloomed due to training thus he obtained the same power as Ashura. The Avatar is his chakra. Him needing some special mode to use it is baseless and doesn't even make sense. RSM is just another type of Sage Mode, and no Sage Mode will ever nor has it ever grant someone a chakra Avatar.

Ashura's Avatar is basically the same as the Uchiha's Susanoo. A manifestation of his chakra.

Are you retarted? His powers bloomed until eventually he awoke RSM. Thats why his avatar is wielding gudodama, which is only possible in his case via RSM.

 

[Michael]

Guy claims that Asura's RSM is confirmed in the Databook yet doesn't provide the scan for it.

How disappointing, I'd really love to see it.

Read the manga/databook yourself, the fact you're arguing whilst ignorant upon the subject is beyond me.

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you retarted? His powers bloomed until eventually he awoke RSM. Thats why his avatar is wielding gudodama, which is only possible in his case via RSM.

Based on nothing you blithering idiot.

-Hamura had the Gudo Dama, yet does not have any kind of Sage Mode.
-Obito had a Gudo Dama stick, yet does not have any kind of Sage Mode.

He has his father's chakra, thus he can manifest the Gudo Dama. Same thing happened when Obito stole Hagoromo's power from Madara. His Avatar is because of his chakra. End. Of. Story.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Guy claims that Asura's RSM is confirmed in the Databook yet doesn't provide the scan for it.

How disappointing, I'd really love to see it.

Yeah, definitely. Me too.

It was stated several times in the manga/databook Asura inherited his fathers body & life force and indra inherited his fathers eyes and strong chakra.

Yeah, so if Ashura inherited his father's Rikodou Senjutsu, why didn't Indra get the Rinnegan? Going by the same logic, he should've.

You're are correct in saying indra should've had rinnegan but idk prehaps his eyes were mutated mix between EMS/Rinnegan hence his swirly eye pattern. Sasuke also possess a mutated rinnegan, so anything is possible.

No, it's just MS.

Also Six paths senjutsu = Six paths chakra + Natural Energy. Once Rikudou Chakra and Natural Energy mix the result is Rikudou Senjutsu.

No, Naruto nevers gather natural energy to enter RSM.

 

[FreeTanner17]

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Finally found it lol
Ignore the highlight and underline, couldn't find the clean version

This was before they fought. He split the bijuu before they fought and chose ashura as the successor. It's very possible that he also entrusted him with kurama

 

[Michael]

Based on nothing you blithering idiot.

-Hamura had the Gudo Dama, yet does not have any kind of Sage Mode.
-Obito had a Gudo Dama stick, yet does not have any kind of Sage Mode.

He has his father's chakra, thus he can manifest the Gudo Dama. Same thing happened when Obito stole Hagoromo's power from Madara. His Avatar is because of his chakra. End. Of. Story.

Hamura had tenseigan which grants gudodama. Also obito simply absorbed some of madara's Rikudou Senjutsu and he converted part of BZ into gudodama. Like I stated earlier in Asura's case, RSM was his only means of gudodama, we all know he didn't possess byakugan let alone tenseigan.

 

[NarutoX28]

It was stated several times in the manga/databook Asura inherited his fathers body & life force and indra inherited his fathers eyes and strong chakra.

Physical Energy is contained within the cells of the body and is associated with one's physical capabilities. It makes sense for why inheriting Rikudou's Yang Chakra would imply that Asura inherited his father's "body".

Indra didn't really inherit Rikudou's eyes, but because of the Yin Chakra he inherited, it enabled him to awaken a Dojutsu which was similar to the ability Hagoromo possessed and Tobirama clearly confirms that it's that special chakra that Uchiha's awaken that enables them to activate their Dojutsu, but Indra never once inherited Rikudou's eyes. If he did, then Black Zetsu would've confirmed that, but he instead stated that only Rikudou Sennin and Madara had awakened the Rinnegan.

You're are correct in saying indra should've had rinnegan but idk prehaps his eyes were mutated mix between EMS/Rinnegan hence his swirly eye pattern. Sasuke also possess a mutated rinnegan, so anything is possible.

No he shouldn't have. He doesn't have the Yang Chakra of Rikudou Sennin that is required to even awaken the Rinnegan.

Sasuke only possessed a Tomoe Rinnegan because he had both Rikudou's and Indra's Chakra. Rikudou's Chakra activated his Rinnegan whereas Indra's Chakra was still present which enabled him to use both Dojutsu's simultaneously. Indra only has Rikudou's Yin Chakra which means his Chakra only enabled him activate variations of the Sharingan.

Also Six paths senjutsu = Six paths chakra + Natural Energy. Once Rikudou Chakra and Natural Energy mix the result is Rikudou Senjutsu.

Well, I agree with this. Madara literally describes it as "Senjutsu of the Six Paths".

The fact remains that Asura couldn't have awakened RSM on his own without Six Paths Chakra. That's literally illogical.

If Indra's Rikudou Yin Chakra couldn't awaken a power of the Six Paths, why should I assume Asura's Rikudou Yang Chakra has the capability to activate a Six Paths Power when Asura's Chakra was implied to be equal to Indra's? If Asura had Rikudou Senjutsu, he simply has Rikudou Chakra (Both Yin and Yang Components) which the Yin Component is not something he inherited, meaning that he must have received Six Paths Power directly from Rikudou Sennin.

I'm also curious to see the Databook scan that states that Asura had Rikudou Senjutsu. That would very helpful to everyone here. Don't tell me to look at the Databook myself when some of us (assuming) don't have access to it. If you're making a bold claim, you should be able to back yourself up and provide the scan or statement if need be.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hamura had tenseigan which grants gudodama. Also obito simply absorbed some of madara's Rikudou Senjutsu and he converted part of BZ into gudodama. Like I stated earlier in Asura's case, RSM was his only means of gudodama, we all know he didn't possess byakugan let alone tenseigan.

Irrelevant. Did they have Sage Mode? NO. Meaning the chakra is the important part, meaning Ashura had the chakra not the mode. So gtfoh with this theory.

 

[lndra]

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Looking for "Ashura uses Bijuu chakra" post

 

[NarutoX28]

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Looking for "Ashura uses Bijuu chakra" post

I used to believe that and I don't even know why.

On topic, Asura used B̶i̶j̶u̶u̶ Chakra.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

This was before they fought. He split the bijuu before they fought and chose ashura as the successor. It's very possible that he also entrusted him with kurama

If Hagoromo ever entrusted anything to Ashura, it's going to be RSM, not Kurama. Because Ashura's Avatar looks nothing like Kurama.

Well, I agree with this. Madara literally describes it as "Senjutsu of the Six Paths".

That's not right. Madara and Obito attained Rikodou Senjutsu without ever having to learn Sage Mode, so obviously Rikodou Sage Mode is totally different from normal Sage Mode and it doesn't require the mixing of chakra with natural energy. Otherwise, you're basically saying Sasuke can attain RSM.

 

[NarutoX28]

That's not right. Madara and Obito attained Rikodou Senjutsu without ever having to learn Sage Mode, so obviously Rikodou Sage Mode is totally different from normal Sage Mode and it doesn't require the mixing of chakra with natural energy. Otherwise, you're basically saying Sasuke can attain RSM.

Senjutsu is simply combining Natural Energy with your own Chakra.

In Obito and Madara's case, they attained it through the Juubi as the Juubi is the collection of every Bijuu which is a form of Rikudou Chakra as well as Natural Energy which enables Rikudou Senjutsu.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Senjutsu is simply combining Natural Energy with your own Chakra.

In Obito and Madara's case, they attained it through the Juubi as the Juubi is the collection of every Bijuu which is a form of Rikudou Chakra as well as Natural Energy which enables Rikudou Senjutsu.

The Juubi can't have Rikodou Senjutsu itself. It only provides that to its jinchuuriki by perhaps combining that NE based chakra of the Juubi with the jinchuuriki's original chakra, or simply the sealing of the Juubi (the beast, not the chakra) grants Rikodou Senjutsu.

 

[NarutoX28]

The Juubi can't have Rikodou Senjutsu itself. It only provides that to its jinchuuriki by perhaps combining that NE based chakra of the Juubi with the jinchuuriki's original chakra, or simply the sealing of the Juubi (the beast, not the chakra) grants Rikodou Senjutsu.

I hardly see why not. If Toads are literally capable of having Senjutsu, the most powerful entity in the world should be capable of having Senjutsu as well.

Natural Energy can't be composed into Chakra, it simply acts as a means to enhances one's Chakra Quality and Reserves by being molded with one's Chakra. If the Natural Energy did mold with the Jin's Original Chakra, they would experience extreme abnormalities because their own Chakra pales in comparison to the amount of Natural Energy the Juubi actually has.

The Sealing of the Juubi itself wouldn't grant Rikudou Senjutsu without having Six Paths Power itself based on Minato commenting on Juubidara's Six Paths Power implying that he received it directly from the Juubi.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

I hardly see why not. If Toads are literally capable of having Senjutsu, the most powerful entity in the world should be capable of having Senjutsu as well.

Natural Energy can't be composed into Chakra, it simply acts as a means to enhances one's Chakra Quality and Reserves by being molded with one's Chakra. If the Natural Energy did mold with the Jin's Original Chakra, they would experience extreme abnormalities because their own Chakra pales in comparison to the amount of Natural Energy the Juubi actually has.

The Sealing of the Juubi itself wouldn't grant Rikudou Senjutsu without having Six Paths Power itself based on Minato commenting on Juubidara's Six Paths Power implying that he received it directly from the Juubi.

I think I'm a bit out of track with the understanding on this topic. Because Kurama said that the Juubi is basically all natural energy around, which means that its "chakra" is just that NE. But technically, its decomposition into the tailed beasts signify its own possession of powerful chakra. So I might have to look it up... Because at this point, neither my argument seems right to me nor yours.