Orochimaru vs Hidan and Kakuzu

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Disliked with no response is very unmanly to do, is that normal on this site?

orochi uses wind breakthrough to give him distance from both then summon manda.
orochi use gates to block fire/wind then go underneath and thrust kakuzu into the air for distance to summon manda.
orochi can use temp paralyzes technique both with a single hand sign, then have manda squash them at the sametime.
or just use gates to give cover spot for manda to do this. either way manda stomps and orochi can outlast.

You have to be a fool to believe he can't summon let alone kill them with manda.

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Lmaoooo omg you're incredible.

Do people forget that snakes are cold-blooded? Being around something that was hot enough to evaporate water in seconds should render Manda's energy capacity to near zero, and if this is in character I doubt he'd want to participate regardless.



lol @ 1000 snakes when fuuton alone would disperse them enough to render them useless if a mere shock-wave got the job done, Hydra has no feats so it gets turned to Ash just like how Manda had to shed his skin to avoid being burnt by a probably less potent flame-oil combo.

This is an easy win with the duo here and a mid diff win for Kakuzu alone, not even addressing your blade argument as its awful.
That mere shockwave produced more damage than all of Kakuzu's techniques combined:lol
And the fact that Amanda can counter Zukkuko how he countered Goemon
ot: I don't see a way for Oro to win here since he can't kill either of them. He loses
 

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Which raises the issue of how Orochimaru's blood works. Does he have traditional blood? His body turns to snakes, sheds (leaving just skin) or sometimes just turns into globby white substance.

The hydra? Almost definitely does not have blood.
I mean the hydra was a living creature and bled when itachi cut it so it must have blood and I would reason any blood connected to pro could be used by hiden
 

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Hidan obtaining blood from Orochimaru or Hydra is irrelevant. For one, Hidan would be defeated long before hydra is necessary, if needed at all. Secondly, any bodly harm Hidan inflicts onto himself, Orochimaru shrugs off. There's absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise. Let's be honest, Hidan falls prey to CUrse Seal.
 
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Disliked with no response is very unmanly to do, is that normal on this site?
Or maybe because someone wouldnt waste their time to someone making overrated points to judge the match up. As its common that they will still defend that point to their hearts content. Such as:

orochi can use temp paralyzes technique both with a single hand sign, then have manda squash them at the sametime.
Overrating jutsu that only works against Genin like characters. Somehow will work against Akatsuki, as if they are going to fear him.

either way manda stomps and orochi can outlast.
You have to be a fool to believe he can't summon let alone kill them with manda.

Actually thinking Manda can solo. Arguing that Orochi is apparently a "Minato match up" in comparison. Where he will outlast/avoid everything and react to everything they can dish out until they drop to low chakra.

Took a micro TBB just for orochimaru to admit he would die from it's destructive force.
Thinking this comment is relevant and somehow means tanking any other attack power, lower then a mirco TBB destructive force.

> orochi fought hiruzen staff in cqc with little difficulty, he's not going to let hidan cut him as easily as one think.
Cant read scans where we saw Hiruzen outright one up him in CQC. Some how deals with Hidan unorthodox CQC style with ease.

should have no problem grappling hidan away from his scythe
once he do, hidan is instantly irrelevant and will likely be swallowed up by lesser snake summons.
Actually arguing Hidan weapon being taken away when its attached, with a metal rope, to him. Actually arguing that Hidan can get caught by lesser snakes when P1 Naruto can dodge it.

> orochimaru has several jutsus to immobilize the foe, i.e paralyzes no jutsu
> manda follows up to devour or smash him and all 5 hearts to bits.
> worst case scenario, use twin snake ritual to kill them both if kakuzu has 1 heart remaining.
The only thing you can argue that orochimaru can use to immobilize the foe is his true form vemon and curse seal bite everything else mention is outright overrating the characters capability.

Now if I have to sit down and read legitimate points you made (the ones I deleted) along with most of these points means I simply wasting my time. As you have no sense of character match up overall
 

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Gouging the Earth? Is that what you're referring to? Because that does not mean that it obliterates everything beneath the Earth. We've actually seen Atsugai used in the manga, and there wasn't some enormous crater to my knowledge.
Doesn't have to form a perfect crater to gouge the earth, merely stating what the DB says lol, the ground in the dead forest was sketchy and dry, doesn't HLM turn the ground into sand? Should be reachable by atsugai.



I never stated that he can't use them within his body. What I stated was that he cannot use them initially when they are still embedded in his back. He still needs to unstitch and maneuver them into position to fire, all of which he is not doing before 1 Thousand Snakes goes off and Oro goes under ground. Worst case scenario? Substitute 1 Thousand Snakes in for a Rashoman Gate. Same effect.
What? When they are in his back that counts as being in his body my man, no reason he can't turn around and fire just like he used them when they were in his body later on in the manga, or he adjusts their placement within his body as again they can be move around via the threads. Rashoman works, however you seem to think Kakuzu won't ambush Oro here despite him doing so when Kakashi with 3T took his eyes off him, if Oro goes after Hidan Kakuzu grabs him with threads here.




I have no idea where people get this idea that C0 barely touched Manda, lol. Sasuke used Manda to tank the fatal blast that way. Kakuzu's Katon isn't going to even get close to matching that much power.
:lol if Manda could have tanked the full blast Sasuke would have had absolutely no reason to re-summon away from the blast, he could have just sat there and tanked it. He reversed summoned, but was hit by the blast just before he left now tell me is it worse to be struck by the blast for a long period of time? Or merely a fraction of a second? Not to mention it was all force, as I've already shown you Manda was stressing Jiraiya's Katon so Kakuzu is most surely dealing damage you can't argue that.
No idea why you think bold is true or even a counter. None of that prevents Manda from just shedding and going underground. From there, Manda just grabs Kakuzu from underground when he resurfaces. Kakuzu gets no opportunity to attempt that same move.
Domu breaks Manda's teeth, and he can than use jutsu from Manda's softer insides :lol if Manda goes for digestion its an easier win than previously thought, however Kakuzu's not just going to sit there when he realizes Manda has gone underground and again a giant snake going underground is clearly able to be felt from the surface, I may have been wrong about Oro because he uses HLM but Manda most certainly doesn't. You're also forgetting Tsunade was able to intercept Manda holding a giant sword from a good distance away, Kakuzu has absolutely zero problems with Manda.





Love how you say this as if Kishi stated Hidan's Ritual works on literally any living thing.
Kishi states it needs blood, never human blood simply blood. Jashin is the way of spreading pain and destruction why this would only stop at humans is again a speculation made only by you.




Lol, what? What are you basing this off of in the manga? Hiding Mole caught Itachi off guard with the Sharingan activated. Itachi. Orochimaru is absolutely hidden while underground, and you have no evidence supporting Hidan would be able to know that much less react to it.
No it didn't, 30% Itachi reacted just fine to it so basically please stop this terrible argument the moment Oro appeares above ground he's grabbed by Kakuzu's threads :lol before he gets a chance to "bisect" Hidan with just his neck muscles :lol.
 

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I dont see why Kakuzu could use the other elemental jutsu himself. The jutsu works by Kakuzu running his own chakra into the hearts element nature. All he needs to so is link to the heart he wants to use now and release it to his own mouth.

We already saw that Kakuzu used the featless Mask (which was implied to be Suiton) for his life, while he still access his own heart(affinity) to use Domu. So linking the chakra nature to himself is zero problems.




Then we have the fact, for Hidan, that Kisimoto specific design this character to capture Buijuu/Jins. I fail to see how anyone can argue the fact that Hidan's jutsu only works for human anatomy lol. Makes zero sense to actually debate against.
 

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Orochimaru can't break through Domu with brute force, but Kakuzu isn't going to actually kill Orochimaru with his elemental attacks, especially since the only one that even comes close to being lethal for him is Raiton, and that's only if it hits his head or something like that.

-Hidan's not an issue in any way, shape or form and Orochimaru has Kusanagi.
-If Masks are released individually picking them off won't be too difficult. Orochimaru can easily survive their attacks but they won't be able to survive his attacks whether it be through Kusanagi, Manda, Eight Branches or some other attack.
-Kusanagi should easily cut through Kakuzu's threads.

Orochimaru's gonna need some kind of surprise attack to take Kakuzu down, otherwise Kakuzu might just outlast. Though if his masks are vulnerable when utilizing their Ninjutsu even if they are merged with his threads then Orochimaru can simply take them out that way and tat would be his path to victory.
 

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Orochimaru can't break through Domu with brute force, but Kakuzu isn't going to actually kill Orochimaru with his elemental attacks, especially since the only one that even comes close to being lethal for him is Raiton, and that's only if it hits his head or something like that.

-Hidan's not an issue in any way, shape or form and Orochimaru has Kusanagi.
-If Masks are released individually picking them off won't be too difficult. Orochimaru can easily survive their attacks but they won't be able to survive his attacks whether it be through Kusanagi, Manda, Eight Branches or some other attack.
-Kusanagi should easily cut through Kakuzu's threads.

Orochimaru's gonna need some kind of surprise attack to take Kakuzu down, otherwise Kakuzu might just outlast. Though if his masks are vulnerable when utilizing their Ninjutsu even if they are merged with his threads then Orochimaru can simply take them out that way and tat would be his path to victory.
I don't see why Kusanagi wouldn't simply pierce Kakuzu, even while using Domu.

But in case Kusanagi cannot directly penetrate him, Five Elements Seal should be enough to block Kakuzu's chakra flow and give Oro time to simply kill Kakuzu while Domu is deactivated (because he cannot use chakra to maintain it).

Also, if Orochimaru captures Kakuzu he can remove his face with Vanishing Facial Copy.
 

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I don't see why Kusanagi wouldn't simply pierce Kakuzu, even while using Domu.

But in case Kusanagi cannot directly penetrate him, Five Elements Seal should be enough to block Kakuzu's chakra flow and give Oro time to simply kill Kakuzu while Domu is deactivated (because he cannot use chakra to maintain it).

Also, if Orochimaru captures Kakuzu he can remove his face with Vanishing Facial Copy.
Why would Kusanagi pierce Domu?

Five Elements Seal didn't completely block Naruto's chakra flow. He was still able to use Ninjutsu if I remember correctly.
 

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Why would Kusanagi pierce Domu?

Five Elements Seal didn't completely block Naruto's chakra flow. He was still able to use Ninjutsu if I remember correctly.
Kusanagi caused damage to diamond-hard Enma, even though Orochimaru only slashed with it. Piercing is way more dangerous, because penetrative power is way greater.

FES didn't block his chakra completely, but made him unconscious for a few hours and removed his ability to control and sustain his chakra usage, so Naruto wasn't even able to stand on water (even after 30 chapters the effect didn't weaken, it was gone only thanks to Jiraiya).
 
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Kusanagi caused damage to diamond-hard Enma, even though Orochimaru only slashed with it. Piercing is way more dangerous, because penetrative power is way greater.
No, piercing is much harder to do against a strong defense than smashing. It takes a lot more force to cut materials like diamond, but it takes significantly less force to smash them because of how brittle they are.
 

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No, piercing is much harder to do against a strong defense than smashing. It takes a lot more force to cut materials like diamond, but it takes significantly less force to smash them because of how brittle they are.
You do realize that piercing and smashing are two different things, right?
 

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You do realize that piercing and smashing are two different things, right?
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Anyways it doesn't even matter, I only recall Enma saying Kusanagi will leave him sore, don't know how that means he can pierce it, or inflict any real damage on its surface, makes zero sense.
 
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