| I'm simply implying if Orochimaru did so, as the specifications of mindset weren't ever given (i.e. IC or OC) so I'm assuming it's simply OC until stated otherwise. Even then, Orochimaru has nothing to kill Hidan aside from Manda from my recollection, and Hidan isn't getting tagged by Kusanagi, and I don't see the thousand snake jutsu giving him much of a problem. What else would Orochimaru have as a last resort that could harm Hidan? If Orochimaru enters CQC, it's basically over if any amount of blood is drawn, and Hidan can simply bait Orochimaru like he did Asuma, and co. Especially if this is manga/no intel. Hidan is stupid overpowered if knowledge isn't present. |
Orochimaru vs Hidan and Kakuzu
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Didn't orochimaru spy on them or something after leaving the group, also would this magic dust work on kakuzu?
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Bold is baseless and isn't an argument unless you can prove it.
Go back and reread, 1 Thousand Snakes is intended to just give Orochimaru some breathing room. Which it can and will, since it needs to be addressed by Kakuzu. Manda and Hydra both tank any Futon or Katon Kakuzu throws out with neg difficulty, it is featless.
You won't address anything about Kusanagi because you can't address anything about it. Hidan gets bisected, end of story. Take that long immortal **** out of your mouth and you may begin to be reasonable.
Popquiz;
If Hidan stabs himself in the arm during the ritual, where specifically is the Hydra injured?
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| I don't even remember said technique being explicitly fast, do you? I'm under the impression Hidan can evade that technique/ignore the few scratches/impalings that tag him. Ideally, Hidan would want Orochimaru to think he was vulnerable so Orochimaru would go in for the kill with Kusanagi or whatever else in CQC. Once he does that, Hidan could do some guerrilla tactic type nonsense, and acquire said blood; undoubtedly Orochimaru would be dumbfounded attempting to configure what just happened (i.e. why Hidan did what he did to acquire said blood). Hidan would then quickly apply the ritual. You wouldn't just rush a person doing something you've never seen before would you? You'd wait, and perceive until you came up with the correct action (i.e. Orochimaru's downfall in this case). |
| More than likely, but no where has it ever been implied Orochimaru has explicit intel on Hidan's jutsu. If so, I'm sure he would've converted to Jashinism long ago to acquire said immortality. |
| That's why you go for the heart. |
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Lmaooo now you're just salty because your ignorance is exposed, it gives him no space at all as instantly its cleared by the fuuton, Oro might even be hit with the fuuton if he's sitting there spawning the snakes. He can take all the space he wants Hidan and Kakuzu aren't just going to take a nap halfway their guard will be up and he's not catching anyone off guard here.
Again, Manda was clearly going to be damaged by the LESS POTENT OIL+FLAMES COMBINATION stop being a moron and realize that the elemental combination is even stronger than that due to the force that adding oxygen to flames also gives, so yes Manda is cleared easily not to mention worse comes to worse ritual takes any summon out but really the flames would be enough.
Your terrible posting continues to amaze, why would he be hit by Kusanagi at all? He hit a thoughtless Naruto, Hidan will avoid any slow attempt of the Kusanagi Oro uses here as I'm assuming you're trying to use another through the ground argument? Please you're basically arguing Orochimaru's head is faster than everything Hidan's dealt with before, not to mention Oro isn't just going to stick his head under the ground and have the Immortal's just sit there and do nothing.
Please for once in your life post something worth-reading.
Ok, Hidan stabs himself in the heart.
Where specifically is the Hydra injured on the heart? How big is the hole? Why would we even assume the Ritual works on something that does not share the same relative anatomy of a human?
| ... This is my last comment to you. Every living, breathing animal has a heart. Fatally injuring the heart kills said target. Hidan's pain is what is transferred to his victim, it doesn't matter how much bigger said organ is, the same pain, experience, and fatality will be present. No more needs to be said, as it will just be an argument of ignorance on your part. |
| He's obviously reaching stupendously hard. |
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I'm not the ignorant one here. You've been gargling immortal jizz for years here.
1 Thousand Snakes is spawned within seconds and absolutely gives Oro enough time to go under ground. Saying Kakuzu can use Atsugau or Katon within seconds of the fight starting, when the masks are still embedded, is pure fiction. Of course 1 Thousand Snakes gets obliterated, it wasn't for offense.
False, Manda tanks it comfortably. Please do not compare Kakuzu's Katon to C0 which Manda did survive, if even briefly. Not to mention Manda could always just shed skin and go underground like he canonically did to Katon, so this makes no sense. Stop fondling Kakuzu's balls.
No Ritual is working on Manda or Hydra since they do not share human anatomy.
Yes, Hidan is absolutely getting caught off guard by a Kusanagi blitz from underground. Everything in canon suggests that he gets blitzed by techniques he does not have experience with, and this is no different. I have no idea why you think Hidan would not only be expecting this attack, but would also be able to actively counter it when he doesn't even know it's coming. Maybe you've got your head too far buried up his ass to get the oxygen your brain needs to think this through accurately. He gets bisected with no difficulty, he has no feats reacting to hidden techniques that he has no previous experience with.
I'd honestly even be happy stating that Orochimaru loses to Kakuzu high diff. But Kakuzu is not negging anything here.
It is legitimately embarassing how much you want to have Hidan's children.
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| That's literally what it does. I've no idea how anyone could think otherwise, when Asuma blatantly felt the exact brunt of damage the ash jutsu he used on Hidan emitted. Whatever Hidan feels, no matter how large/small/unorthodox in body composition they are, they will feel exactly what he feels in the registered area. |
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Fine, if you don't respond I'll just assume it's your concession to my counter.
False, Kakuzu does have the same relative anatomy of a human. The hearts he uses are in the same position and are the same size as the heart Hidan stabs. Hence, when Hidan stabbed it, he clutched the exact anatomic location of the human heart. Not hard to figure out; employ critical thinking. The Ritual doesn't do jack to Manda or the Hydra since they are on an entirely different scale and do not share the same relative anatomy. Hence, when Hidan stabs himself in the head/arm/leg, there is no specific location you can list where the Hydra would be injured. Same goes for the Heart, since it is an entirely different shape, size, and in an entirely different position.
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You have absolutely no evidence supporting that Hidan's ritual would do any damage to anything outside of his anatomy. It's baseless, ignorant, and desperate speculation. Get some evidence for your claims, or get the hell out.
Kakuzu's fuuton also deals damage underground as well so if Oro will still be struck by the jutsu regardless,
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read captions. How is it pure fiction when Kakuzu has shown the ability to use the masks within his body?
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Its made of threads so he can alter their positions whenever he pleases, or he simply turns around and fires.You mean the C0 that barely touched him and he was dead afterwards? What...A...Feat. He could do that but but Kakuzu's again has more force to it, Jiraiya's katon is simply flames being spread out over a wide area to burn the target, Kakuzu's has force and speed to it not to mention it may be larger, regardless when Manda resurfaces to attack he gets hit by it again.
Kay Kishi.
Except people are capable of feeling things that are moving from the ground so its not hidden....
Mid-High diff.
What can I say he's a bad dude
Orochimaru mid:diff.
Took a micro TBB just for orochimaru to admit he would die from it's destructive force.
> Distance irrelevant: even if close up, orochi has plenty of techs to push them back with a single hand sign such as wind breakthrough.
> kakuzu uses Fire/wind combo to disrupt summon, orochi will counter underneath to sword thrust kakuzu into the air then proceed with summon now that he has distance to do so.
> or just retreat to give him distance. either way, orochi can outlast, therefore summoning manda is inevitable.
> orochi was fast enough to not only land hits on KN4 but able to recover just as impressive.
> with that said, he will not get man-handled by kakuzu, and even if he do he can slitter away or summon clones.
> orochi fought hiruzen staff in cqc with little difficulty, he's not going to let hidan cut him as easily as one think.
> orochimaru can simultaneously use snakes while fighting. should have no problem grappling hidan away from his scythe
> once he do, hidan is instantly irrelevant and will likely be swallowed up by lesser snake summons.
> orochimaru has several jutsus to immobilize the foe, i.e paralyzes no jutsu
> manda follows up to devour or smash him and all 5 hearts to bits.
> worst case scenario, use twin snake ritual to kill them both if kakuzu has 1 heart remaining.
Took a micro TBB just for orochimaru to admit he would die from it's destructive force.
> Distance irrelevant: even if close up, orochi has plenty of techs to push them back with a single hand sign such as wind breakthrough.
> kakuzu uses Fire/wind combo to disrupt summon, orochi will counter underneath to sword thrust kakuzu into the air then proceed with summon now that he has distance to do so.
> or just retreat to give him distance. either way, orochi can outlast, therefore summoning manda is inevitable.
> orochi was fast enough to not only land hits on KN4 but able to recover just as impressive.
> with that said, he will not get man-handled by kakuzu, and even if he do he can slitter away or summon clones.
> orochi fought hiruzen staff in cqc with little difficulty, he's not going to let hidan cut him as easily as one think.
> orochimaru can simultaneously use snakes while fighting. should have no problem grappling hidan away from his scythe
> once he do, hidan is instantly irrelevant and will likely be swallowed up by lesser snake summons.
> orochimaru has several jutsus to immobilize the foe, i.e paralyzes no jutsu
> manda follows up to devour or smash him and all 5 hearts to bits.
> worst case scenario, use twin snake ritual to kill them both if kakuzu has 1 heart remaining.
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Gouging the Earth? Is that what you're referring to? Because that does not mean that it obliterates everything beneath the Earth. We've actually seen Atsugai used in the manga, and there wasn't some enormous crater to my knowledge.
I never stated that he can't use them within his body. What I stated was that he cannot use them initially when they are still embedded in his back. He still needs to unstitch and maneuver them into position to fire, all of which he is not doing before 1 Thousand Snakes goes off and Oro goes under ground. Worst case scenario? Substitute 1 Thousand Snakes in for a Rashoman Gate. Same effect.
I have no idea where people get this idea that C0 barely touched Manda, lol. Sasuke used Manda to tank the fatal blast that way. Kakuzu's Katon isn't going to even get close to matching that much power.
No idea why you think bold is true or even a counter. None of that prevents Manda from just shedding and going underground. From there, Manda just grabs Kakuzu from underground when he resurfaces. Kakuzu gets no opportunity to attempt that same move.
Love how you say this as if Kishi stated Hidan's Ritual works on literally any living thing.
Lol, what? What are you basing this off of in the manga? Hiding Mole caught Itachi off guard with the Sharingan activated. Itachi. Orochimaru is absolutely hidden while underground, and you have no evidence supporting Hidan would be able to know that much less react to it.
False, because the Jin was already pinned up in human form for Hidan's ritual.
That's actually a good point. I hadn't considered that, forgot Orochimaru still has a human body in Hydra form.
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