Orochimaru vs Hidan and Kakuzu

[KidGamer65]

Not agreeing with your reason doesnt mean even implied of someone being backed into a corner. Having an average durability isnt an argument to determine who tanks what. With your logic Orochimaru above average durability tanks X because I say so.

You pointed out that Hidan tanks Kakuzu jutsu, and yet havent provided a shredded evidence that Orochimaru durability is close to Hidan's.

No, the fact you won't simply provide some real feats for Atsugai is what shows us that you are backed into a corner. If you were correct you could pull up a scan supporting your point and simply shut me up like that, but instead you are trying to jump through hoops by "skewing" as you would call it, what I'm stating in my posts to make it seem like you make sense even though anyone who isn't an Immortal duo wanker knows that you don't make sense.


-Atsugai's only feat is failing to damage Hidan. Stop trying to compare Hidan to Orochimaru. That's not my point so it's not a point you should be addressing nor does Orochimaru need to be anywhere near as durable as he is to survive. Creating fake points to address doesn't get you anywhere, it makes you look dumb. Read carefully or just stop wasting both our time responding to me.

-Orochimaru has shown above average durability as shown above. If he was a fodder you could try to argue that Atsugai one shots him based on how it was going to one shot Kakashi. But how does Atsugai being able to one shot Kakashi mean that he one shots Orochimaru? That is the question you are failing to actually answer. Orochimaru survives because:

1. He has above average durability.
2. Atsugai has zero feats to actually support it killing someone far more durable than it was shown to be able to kill in canon.

Fr we don't even see where or how Naruto attacked in one of them, for all we know it could have simply been an attack on the arm, and Oro lost his arm.

So many attacks and techniques that have no feats are within this manga yet for some reason Kakuzu's is the only one that has the "show me feats before you say it deals damage" argument lol.

Responses like this are ridiculous. As if complaining will change the facts. (ignoring the fact that these complaints are of course ripped from your **** cavities) Get real guys. :lol Your argument right now is "Atsugai kills Orochimaru in one shot because I want it to".


If you aren't going to support that assertion do us all a favor and just stop posting altogether since I already know you won't admit how little sense you make when it comes to this topic.

Kakuzu fanboys/supporters logic:

Rasengan can kill Kabuto in one strike, so logically it would be able to kill Orochimaru as well

Even though that ignores the fact that Orochimaru>>>Kabuto in durability. Atsugai being able to kill a weaker foe=/=being able to do the same to a stronger foe. (in terms of durability). Understand this before you respond again.

 

[Zexion~]

No, the fact you won't simply provide some real feats for Atsugai is what shows us that you are backed into a corner. If you were correct you could pull up a scan supporting your point and simply shut me up like that, but instead you are trying to jump through hoops by "skewing" as you would call it, what I'm stating in my posts to make it seem like you make sense even though anyone who isn't an Immortal duo wanker knows that you don't make sense.


-Atsugai's only feat is failing to damage Hidan. Stop trying to compare Hidan to Orochimaru. That's not my point so it's not a point you should be addressing nor does Orochimaru need to be anywhere near as durable as he is to survive. Creating fake points to address doesn't get you anywhere, it makes you look dumb. Read carefully or just stop wasting both our time responding to me.

-Orochimaru has shown above average durability as shown above. If he was a fodder you could try to argue that Atsugai one shots him based on how it was going to one shot Kakashi. But how does Atsugai being able to one shot Kakashi mean that he one shots Orochimaru? That is the question you are failing to actually answer. Orochimaru survives because:

1. He has above average durability.
2. Atsugai has zero feats to actually support it killing someone far more durable than it was shown to be able to kill in canon.



Responses like this are ridiculous. As if complaining will change the facts. (ignoring the fact that these complaints are of course ripped from your **** cavities) Get real guys. :lol Your argument right now is "Atsugai kills Orochimaru in one shot because I want it to".


If you aren't going to support that assertion do us all a favor and just stop posting altogether since I already know you won't admit how little sense you make when it comes to this topic.

Kakuzu fanboys/supporters logic:

Rasengan can kill Kabuto in one strike, so logically it would be able to kill Orochimaru as well

Even though that ignores the fact that Orochimaru>>>Kabuto in durability. Atsugai being able to kill a weaker foe=/=being able to do the same to a stronger foe. (in terms of durability). Understand this before you respond again.

I never said Atsugai would kill Oro here, don't think it would as his durability is above a normal humans but he's not tanking it outright without SOME damage to his internal.

Again do you think Oro is tanking Fuuton + Katon combination here?

 

[KidGamer65]

-You realize Kakuzu caught Kakashi twice right....

-Kakashi stated his chakra was low during that fight himself

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-What has Oro reacted to that is more menacing? He was hit by every single one of a imperfect KN Naruto that isn't really high in-terms of speed (Naruto is not consciously doing anything here, completely different from using Kyuubi chakra himself) if Pain was outrunning a higher level form on foot.

-Second time Kakashi was farther than 1 meter away, at the very least 5 meters

-Again you all literally stated Oro would use Kusanagi from underground, how is he reacting to anything if he's diving into either Hidan or Kakuzu here :lol


Kakashi seemed to move just fine here

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-No, he caught him once. Don't bring that scan of him catching Kakashi after distracting him with his Katon-Fuuton, masking his approach with the smoke AND the fact that he was in the air. :lol I've told you this many many times before in the past. And no, he was around 2 meters away.

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Kakashi is 1.81m in height. Lay him down and not even 2 of him in terms of height is needed to reach Kakuzu's arm, which is where the threads binding Kakashi came from.

-Lmao. He said he had half left, not that he was low on chakra. Not to mention Kakashi during his fight w/ Kakuzu took injuries which drains stamina and he used a lot of chakra on Raikiri.

And how does him dashing=Him at full speed?

-He dodged KN3's chakra arms. He dodged KN4's chakra arms. The only time he got hit was when they themselves charged him. Naruto not consciously acting is irrelevant to the speed of his techniques. Pain didn't outrun Naruto, Pain had a large headstart, and Pain obviously isn't slow so I'm not seeing your point here. Has better speed feats than Kakuzu that's for sure.


And I never stated that he'd use Kusanagi from underground to kill Hidan. Draegod stated that it'd be used as a surprise attack. Meaning Kakuzu isn't going to turn around and bind him with threads.

I never said Atsugai would kill Oro here, don't think it would as his durability is above a normal humans but he's not tanking it outright without SOME damage to his internal.

Again do you think Oro is tanking Fuuton + Katon combination here?

And I never said he would tank it with no damage. That's EjBlack doing what he does best, stating what I'm saying as something else, which then causes confusion among spectators such as yourself. If it can't kill him Oral Rebirth fixes him.

I already told you no, he doesn't tank it. :lol .

 

[Brother Numpsay]

That's EjBlack doing what he does best, stating what I'm saying as something else, which then causes confusion among spectators such as yourself.

I do? Please show me

 

[KidGamer65]

I do? Please show me

You should probably focus on answering the following questions instead of making me type irrelevant nonsense to address your nonexistent argument:

-Based on what does Atsugai kill Orochimaru when it's only feat is doing nothing to Hidan?

-How did you come to the conclusion that Atsugai has the power to one shot Orochimaru?

Don't answer my question with a question either.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You should probably focus on answering the following questions instead of making me type irrelevant nonsense to address your nonexistent argument:

-Based on what does Atsugai kill Orochimaru when it's only feat is doing nothing to Hidan?

-How did you come to the conclusion that Atsugai has the power to one shot Orochimaru?

Don't answer my question with a question either.

Its relevant to me since you made a personal shot. And If what your saying is true then I am clearly in the wrong. So Im going to fix it.

As for your question. I already told you I'm not going to bring it back up via Atsugai attack power. Since when I used the Logic of Exchange argument on our previous debate you skew the hell out of it. And since my points weren't getting across it was simply a waste of time.

 

[KidGamer65]

Its relevant to me since you made a personal shot. And If what your saying is true then I am clearly in the wrong. So Im going to fix it.

As for your question. I already told you I'm not going to bring it back up via Atsugai attack power. Since when I used the Logic of Exchange argument on our previous debate you skew the hell out of it. And since my points weren't getting across it was simply a waste of time.

Tsk tsk excuses. More like the debate was a waste of time because you wouldn't admit that your points were wrong. No one was skewing the meaning of anything you were stating, and if someone was that's because you couldn't make your point coherent enough due to the fact that even you yourself know that what you were saying then, and what you want to say now doesn't make sense.

But if you aren't going to answer the question then this argument is over.

 

[Byakuren]

Atsugai isn't killing Orochimaru especially based on canon portrayal. The only technique that can kill Orochimaru is Kakuzu's lightning jutsu, and thread body rape.

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[Brother Numpsay]

Tsk tsk excuses. More like the debate was a waste of time because you wouldn't admit that your points were wrong. No one was skewing the meaning of anything you were stating, and if someone was that's because you couldn't make your point coherent enough due to the fact that even you yourself know that what you were saying then, and what you want to say now doesn't make sense.

But if you aren't going to answer the question then this argument is over.

Lol no. You were clearly stubborn in the points I was making. We both already established that Naruto weaker form via Wind:Rasengan equally clashed with Kakuzu's Wind Nature. Then turned around and said later down the line that Wind:Rasegan actually clashed with Atsugai, that made my point sound inconclusive.

So are going to find where I skew your points in this thread or what?

 

[sayian]

Lol no. You were clearly stubborn in the points I was making. We both already established that Naruto weaker form via Wind:Rasengan equally clashed with Kakuzu's Wind Nature. Then turned around and said later down the line that Wind:Rasegan actually clashed with Atsugai, that made my point sound inconclusive.

So are going to find where I skew your points in this thread or what?

lmao gtfo with your fanfic

 

[Brother Numpsay]

lmao gtfo with your fanfic

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[KidGamer65]

Lol no. You were clearly stubborn in the points I was making. We both already established that Naruto weaker form via Wind:Rasengan equally clashed with Kakuzu's Wind Nature. Then turned around and said later down the line that Wind:Rasegan actually clashed with Atsugai, that made my point sound inconclusive.

So are going to find where I skew your points in this thread or what?

Funny how you feel the need to lie about something so insignificant.

-I said that he used Atsugai.
-You then said it wasn't Atsugai, it was simply a regular Fuuton, much weaker than Atsugai.
-I didn't contest that, I simply went on explaining how your point still made zero sense regardless of what you meant.

So no, your arguments were perfectly understood. They just didn't make sense. "Regular Fuuton=Wind Rasengan, thus FRS=Atsugai". That was your argument. :lol Lmao. As for where you've failed to comprehend the text before you:

With your logic Orochimaru above average durability tanks X because I say so.

That's not my argument and any unbiased soul would know this. :lol And you keep on saying "tanking" to make it seem like I'm arguing Orochimaru walks out of Atsugai unscathed like Hidan did, which is also why you keep on saying "Hidan being able to tank=/=Oro being able to tank" when no one argued that he needed to be on par with Hidan to survive Atsugai.

:lol The irony is killing me. 2 off topic posts you could've used to concede the fact that Atsugai doesn't kill Orochimaru in one shot. Is it really that hard?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Funny how you feel the need to lie about something so insignificant.

-I said that he used Atsugai.
-You then said it wasn't Atsugai, it was simply a regular Fuuton, much weaker than Atsugai.
-I didn't contest that, I simply went on explaining how your point still made zero sense regardless of what you meant.

Mhm your last post towards me:

You are basing FRS=Atsugai in chakra amount on Atsugai and Wind Release Rasengan clashing. :lol So stupid.

Hilarious that this guy is actually trying to imply that Fuuton rasengan and FRS have the same amount of wind chakra in it. And you wonder why your arguments are trash.

So no, your arguments were perfectly understood. They just didn't make sense. "Regular Fuuton=Wind Rasengan, thus FRS=Atsugai". That was your argument. :lol Lmao. As for where you've failed to comprehend the text before you:

None of my rebuttals were ever implying what you were saying above. And trying to figure out why the logic of exchange is wrong.

That's not my argument and any unbiased soul would know this. :lol And you keep on saying "tanking" to make it seem like I'm arguing Orochimaru walks out of Atsugai unscathed like Hidan did, which is also why you keep on saying "Hidan being able to tank=/=Oro being able to tank" when no one argued that he needed to be on par with Hidan to survive Atsugai.

:lol The irony is killing me. 2 off topic posts you could've used to concede the fact that Atsugai doesn't kill Orochimaru in one shot. Is it really that hard?

Thanks for showing me. My fault.