Odas mistake
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No mistake, you're just coming with the perspective as a Naruto reader.
Naruto Fictional Logic isn't the same as OP.
You just need to understand that Oda doesn't sweat the little things like Kishi or that dude/dudette that did Bleach.
There is too many things wrong with your analysis that if you haven't figured it out already, you're just being ignorant and trying to cause trouble.
Naruto Fictional Logic isn't the same as OP.
You just need to understand that Oda doesn't sweat the little things like Kishi or that dude/dudette that did Bleach.
There is too many things wrong with your analysis that if you haven't figured it out already, you're just being ignorant and trying to cause trouble.
Totsuka No Tsurugi
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if oda was dump then kishi is the super saiyan retarded, since kishi always lose to oda
its not pointless since he just save the future pirate king, its the same like jiraiya dead, minato dead, kakashi dead and itachi sacrifice, they do that in order to save the new generation
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But shanks losing his arm showed that he would gladly sacrifice himself to save a friend which is something luffy kinda inherited from him (not just him but still) and thats the reason luffy set out on his whole adventure, in order to return shanks hat as it meant a lot to shanks and shanks means a lot to luffy as he saved his life!
Tsk tsk tsk
1) Don't multipost, it's against the rules
2) If you find it a mistake of Oda that's your opinion, however don't be so arrogant to start saying that your opinion equals the truth =/ especially not when, as I recall, you're the person who said that the whole of mankind are descendants from an alien race and just because you said it, it meant it was the truth and for which I eventually banned you because you didn't even provide a single argument (let alone a sensible one) and in the end the only thing you were able to do was insulting me. Everything what you just said was just plain childish: "why didn't he just do this or that" or "why didn't he let him lose it in some kind of grand battle" like it's as clear as day. That's the way how a child looks at the world.
3) A letdown? Everyone in this thread disagrees with you, you're the only one who is thinking that, which already proves it wasn't a letdown. There are always some weird individuals with twisted twirls in their heads who are never satisfied, but that doesn't take away that the general consensus is that it was far from a letdown, quite the opposite. I personally found it amazing to see how both Rayleigh and Whitebeard heard of Luffy briefly due to that incident while he was not even mentioned by name, and then to see both of them drawing the conclusion that it was Luffy Shanks was talking about when they met each other for the first time, like a puzzle that fitted perfectly. It are those small yet very subtle moments that make OP so great. It's just awesome to see Shanks talking about it so lightly when they asked "how did you lose your arm? What kind of terrifying monster was able to do that?" "Oh that? It's nothing, I just bet it on a new age".
Now Imagine that he wouldn't have lost his arm. Then no one would have noticed anything nor asked about Luffy. At most they would have asked where his strawhat is and then saying "I bet it on a new age" or "I gave it to someone promising" just sounds utterly stupid and they wouldn't think about it much. However having such an incredibly strong pirate as Shanks suddenly lose an arm in some far away peaceful region for the sake of a child has much more impact as both Rayleigh and Whitebeard, potentially the strongest pirates alive at the time, in fact already acknowledged Luffy when he was just a little kid solely because Shanks bet his arm on him, so what kind if person would that kid be then?
The entire mechanism behind these few short scenes is breathtaking, but it's beyond the comprehension of someone who thinks like a child. Now losing his arm in a so called grand battle now that would be a letdown. Why? Because that would be pretty much saying that Shanks doesn't have what it takes as if you lose an entire limb in such a battle, you're not cut out to be with the big boys. Losing a limb is something different then just getting some scars. If he would have lost his arm in a grand battle it would have made him look weaker than how he lost it in the manga. There he doesn't lose any kind of grandeur or respect, but he does it in the other case. But once again such things are way too complex for someone who sees everything like a child: extremely superficial. However that's one thing, but it's just plain arrogance if you then actually start proclaiming your individual, isolated vision as the truth while it's clear it's not.
4) Using Haki from a distance? That's what I mean with having the view of a child. Luffy was a hammer. That's even worse then someone who just can't swim as those at least can still float or keep their heads out of the water for a while. Luffy would start sinking at a very steady rate, so Shanks didn't have much time. If Shanks would have used Haki, the chance that he would have knocked out Luffy too would be high. Smart idea, knocking out the kid who's a hammer =/ Also if he would knock out the seaking, it would have fallen on Luffy and instantly kill him. Whether the seaking was still conscious or not wouldn't even matter as he was already attacking.
On top of that you need to realize that the Shanks from back then was not the Shanks as we currently know. Yes he was definitely a notorious pirate, however based on the manga he was not a Yonkou. Shanks was a pirate in training on Gol D Roger's ship, with other words he was not a "real" pirate yet. He became real one after Roger's death. So the period between that and saving Luffy is around 10 years. Mastering Haki is something that requires a lifetime. Luffy was a very special case as having a teacher like Rayleigh is extremely rare, most people learn by experience. So it would have taken a lot of time for Shanks to master Haki. His skills with Haki were definitely way weaker as they are now. And as said before he had to intercept the attack as even knocking out that seaking would have killed Luffy. Trying to save Luffy and using haki while intercepting the attack is far from simple, especially when you haven't mastered it.
So no matter how you look at it, it was not a mistake and even if you would look at it that way, the alternatives you proposed are even worse. But final note saying that it was a letdown or not is something completely subjective. So in such a case the "truth" is the general consensus, which is in this case clearly that it was not a letdown and that's just common sense. If you, as one person with a twisted vision, start proclaiming that what you say is the truth even though everyone disagrees with you, it means you're just an arrogant ignorant child.
Class dismissed U_U I have a canonization to attend to.
1) Don't multipost, it's against the rules
2) If you find it a mistake of Oda that's your opinion, however don't be so arrogant to start saying that your opinion equals the truth =/ especially not when, as I recall, you're the person who said that the whole of mankind are descendants from an alien race and just because you said it, it meant it was the truth and for which I eventually banned you because you didn't even provide a single argument (let alone a sensible one) and in the end the only thing you were able to do was insulting me. Everything what you just said was just plain childish: "why didn't he just do this or that" or "why didn't he let him lose it in some kind of grand battle" like it's as clear as day. That's the way how a child looks at the world.
3) A letdown? Everyone in this thread disagrees with you, you're the only one who is thinking that, which already proves it wasn't a letdown. There are always some weird individuals with twisted twirls in their heads who are never satisfied, but that doesn't take away that the general consensus is that it was far from a letdown, quite the opposite. I personally found it amazing to see how both Rayleigh and Whitebeard heard of Luffy briefly due to that incident while he was not even mentioned by name, and then to see both of them drawing the conclusion that it was Luffy Shanks was talking about when they met each other for the first time, like a puzzle that fitted perfectly. It are those small yet very subtle moments that make OP so great. It's just awesome to see Shanks talking about it so lightly when they asked "how did you lose your arm? What kind of terrifying monster was able to do that?" "Oh that? It's nothing, I just bet it on a new age".
Now Imagine that he wouldn't have lost his arm. Then no one would have noticed anything nor asked about Luffy. At most they would have asked where his strawhat is and then saying "I bet it on a new age" or "I gave it to someone promising" just sounds utterly stupid and they wouldn't think about it much. However having such an incredibly strong pirate as Shanks suddenly lose an arm in some far away peaceful region for the sake of a child has much more impact as both Rayleigh and Whitebeard, potentially the strongest pirates alive at the time, in fact already acknowledged Luffy when he was just a little kid solely because Shanks bet his arm on him, so what kind if person would that kid be then?
The entire mechanism behind these few short scenes is breathtaking, but it's beyond the comprehension of someone who thinks like a child. Now losing his arm in a so called grand battle now that would be a letdown. Why? Because that would be pretty much saying that Shanks doesn't have what it takes as if you lose an entire limb in such a battle, you're not cut out to be with the big boys. Losing a limb is something different then just getting some scars. If he would have lost his arm in a grand battle it would have made him look weaker than how he lost it in the manga. There he doesn't lose any kind of grandeur or respect, but he does it in the other case. But once again such things are way too complex for someone who sees everything like a child: extremely superficial. However that's one thing, but it's just plain arrogance if you then actually start proclaiming your individual, isolated vision as the truth while it's clear it's not.
4) Using Haki from a distance? That's what I mean with having the view of a child. Luffy was a hammer. That's even worse then someone who just can't swim as those at least can still float or keep their heads out of the water for a while. Luffy would start sinking at a very steady rate, so Shanks didn't have much time. If Shanks would have used Haki, the chance that he would have knocked out Luffy too would be high. Smart idea, knocking out the kid who's a hammer =/ Also if he would knock out the seaking, it would have fallen on Luffy and instantly kill him. Whether the seaking was still conscious or not wouldn't even matter as he was already attacking.
On top of that you need to realize that the Shanks from back then was not the Shanks as we currently know. Yes he was definitely a notorious pirate, however based on the manga he was not a Yonkou. Shanks was a pirate in training on Gol D Roger's ship, with other words he was not a "real" pirate yet. He became real one after Roger's death. So the period between that and saving Luffy is around 10 years. Mastering Haki is something that requires a lifetime. Luffy was a very special case as having a teacher like Rayleigh is extremely rare, most people learn by experience. So it would have taken a lot of time for Shanks to master Haki. His skills with Haki were definitely way weaker as they are now. And as said before he had to intercept the attack as even knocking out that seaking would have killed Luffy. Trying to save Luffy and using haki while intercepting the attack is far from simple, especially when you haven't mastered it.
So no matter how you look at it, it was not a mistake and even if you would look at it that way, the alternatives you proposed are even worse. But final note saying that it was a letdown or not is something completely subjective. So in such a case the "truth" is the general consensus, which is in this case clearly that it was not a letdown and that's just common sense. If you, as one person with a twisted vision, start proclaiming that what you say is the truth even though everyone disagrees with you, it means you're just an arrogant ignorant child.
Class dismissed U_U I have a canonization to attend to.
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Even though I knew all of that, I read it all anyway 
Its a shame the Wall of Text no Jutsu still won't make it clear for the boy U_U
Doesn't matter what you tell him, he'll still complain about it.
Those are the types of fans we don't need.
Its a shame the Wall of Text no Jutsu still won't make it clear for the boy U_U
Doesn't matter what you tell him, he'll still complain about it.
Those are the types of fans we don't need.
deidara senpai
Active member
tbh he has a point but it was better the way shanks did it it shows how much he cared for luffy and betting on the new era
i mean maybe shanks could have used 3rd haki (which haki wasnt even known yet so thats pretty much why) than could have saved luffy
luffy was in the water for lke 2 episodes during arlong arc and like half an episode during don kreig arc
i dont see how luffy will drown when he did that i think shanks could have saved him without losing an arm
my point is hes got a point but we had no clue about all this stuff back than but it proved how much shanks cared for luffy and was a much better way it would mean nothing if shanks didnt sacrifise his arm
everything else he said was very dumb shanks could still be a yonko with one arm lol
i mean maybe shanks could have used 3rd haki (which haki wasnt even known yet so thats pretty much why) than could have saved luffy
luffy was in the water for lke 2 episodes during arlong arc and like half an episode during don kreig arc
i dont see how luffy will drown when he did that i think shanks could have saved him without losing an arm
my point is hes got a point but we had no clue about all this stuff back than but it proved how much shanks cared for luffy and was a much better way it would mean nothing if shanks didnt sacrifise his arm
everything else he said was very dumb shanks could still be a yonko with one arm lol
The Seven-Scaled boy
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what about the selfeless, incredible show of manliness that giving up an arm for the sake of future generations means?
We already know shanks is incredible and selfless but you don´t need to give up an arm to show your manliness, just that act says the opposite about you, i know shanks lost an arm and he´s still awesome, a cool fuckin character.
You say - Luffy learned to protect his friends thanks to him.
I say - Luffy picking a fight with the bandit for talking trash about "his friends" is what ultimately made him lose an arm.
You say - That act inspired Luffy to become a pirate.
I say - Luffy was telling shanks and the others that he was going to be a pirate while they were still at the bar before shanks lost an arm so shanks losing an arm wasn´t what made Luffy wanting to be pirate.
You say - Shanks wasn´t a yonkou at the time.
I say - Two arms are better then one and mihawk didn´t want to fight shanks after he lost an arm so what does that tell you?
You say - Shanks didn´t have time to knock out the seaking with the third haki.
I say - Luffy knocked out the executioner at marineford while they were already swinging their swords and was about to behead ace, the time between someone swinging a sword and aiming at ones neck takes 1 sec, it happens in an instant, lets keep in mind that luffy is nowhere near shanks and mihawks level yet with a haki that he couldn´t even control, he brought it up and despite the time and distance it hit them and knocked them and everyone around him unconcious, what makes you think that shanks who could control his haki at the time wasn´t able to do the same? The only excuse that will work here is that oda haven´t planned that far in the series when shanks lost his arm so he did what he did and i will accept that but in that case he made a mistake.
You say - Luffy would drown if shanks didn´t save him therefore he had no choice
I say - Common sense tell me that you don´t drown in 1 sec, you take alot longer, luffy was panicing yes but he wouldn´t die if shanks knocked out the seaking and then make it to luffy with his super-fast swimming, i have almost drowned once, i know how it feels, fear takes over everytime the water gets in your mouth and nose and you panic which makes more water come in, the sooner someone saves you the better but in luffys case he wouldn´t die after in a sec had shanks not come when he did.
You say - what´s done is done
I say - Why you mad then, this was a what if
In case you didn´t realize by now, i was addressing everyone with the "You say - I say".
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1. why stop there? why not take it back further and say luffy being born made shanks loose his arm? U_U
if u really think luffy picking a fight with those guys made shanks lose his arm u must b a retard. him losing his arms wasn't part of the plan until the monster bit it off. his reaction after he lost his arm is what separates him from the rest.
2. garp his grandfather said on multiple occasions he blames shanks for luffy and ace becoming pirates. and the scene we were shown isn't necessarily the first time luffy met shanks, their relationship would go far back judging from the way they interact with each other
3. how is the two related? i'm assuming ur talking about the war? well the reason mihawk walked away was b'cuz he didn't seem very enthusiastic about the war in the first place he was just fulfilling his duty to maintain his title. and part of that didn't include shanks. if sengoku shows respect to him u think to urself how strong he must be.
4.shanks didn't intend to harm the monster, and when he used his haki it was only to scare it away. he only wanted to save luffy that is all
5. read 4
6. one arm 2 arms ..who cares his one of the strongest characters in the show regardless. as he himself said he gamble his arm on the new generation so he has no regrets. u sya u had a similar experience say at that moment someone you looked up to came and saved you and lost a limb in the process, wouldn't that increase you respect towards him exponentially?
the question is why are you mad, everyone here is just baffled by your stupidity
Haruno Hyuuga Yamanaka
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because he has no evidence to prove cali wrong. xdI was about to say the same thing xd
I wonder why he ignored it...
now, my comrades, shall we share some good old sake over oda making one piece?
Haruno Hyuuga Yamanaka
Member
Cheers to that!because he has no evidence to prove cali wrong. xd
now, my comrades, shall we share some good old sake over oda making one piece?
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