Ninja World Conflict Resolution

[Ańbu Juniør]

Link to Fight: Ańbu Juniør vs Shady Doctor
Link to VM Conversation: VM Conversation
Issue: My opponent's use of water whip to escape swamp and his usage of giant wave crash
Your Reasoning of the Issue:

The use of water whip:

Swamp of the underworld creates an adhesive swamp of mud that ensnares an opponent and causes them to sink into it. In response to being ensnared my opponent makes use of the C-ranked water whip to pull himself free by utilizing one of the chandeliers in the corridor. I believe that this wouldn't work given the simple fact that the adhesive power of the swamp is A-ranked. Given the fact that he has to complete the needed handseals, form the whip, and then extend it to wrap around the chandelier, he would have sunk a bit and the adhesive mud would be holding/dragging him down.

In addition to this, my opponent simply mentions that he `swing in a small arc to the left, but fails to mention an increase in height. This wouldn't bring him out of range of the swamp as it spans the width of the corridor. I don't remember where/where, but I remember that it was ruled that not even Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave, an A ranked technique, had the strength to push somebody out of Swamp of the Underworld.

The formation of the water wave:

This wave would form in such a way that it engulfs the opponent and his little blades at the same time and everything within long range, except in the direction of banri (we're in close range so I can form it directly around you), having been conjured with force that would carry the man towards his own swamp as the water dragged him in that direction (I can choose what direction it's moved) and flooded the area as a whole. Banri made sure the water was conjured in a way that it didn't envelope him, but formed around both the opponent and the attack

Water Release: Giant Wave Crash works by manipulating an existing water source to crash into an opponent. In this case, my opponent doesn't need to use an existing water source due to having the sourceless water materialization specialty, but it's the way he goes about this that I'm unsure about (bolded above). He says he formed the water around me (Which I'm unsure if he can do), but instead of crashing into me, it pulls/drags me into my own swamp. I believe the only way this can happen is if the water is formed and crashes into me from behind, in which case not only would it not block my arrows, but shady would get hit by his own attack as well since according to him:

Of course, all this water would flood the area and destroy the walls, while also reaching high enough to lift and remove the roof in a way that it wouldn't fall into the fighting arena.

 

[Shady Doctor]

Link to Fight: Ańbu Juniør vs Shady Doctor
Link to VM Conversation: VM Conversation
Issue: My opponent's use of water whip to escape swamp and his usage of giant wave crash
Your Reasoning of the Issue:

The use of water whip:

Swamp of the underworld creates an adhesive swamp of mud that ensnares an opponent and causes them to sink into it. In response to being ensnared my opponent makes use of the C-ranked water whip to pull himself free by utilizing one of the chandeliers in the corridor. I believe that this wouldn't work given the simple fact that the adhesive power of the swamp is A-ranked. Given the fact that he has to complete the needed handseals, form the whip, and then extend it to wrap around the chandelier, he would have sunk a bit and the adhesive mud would be holding/dragging him down.

In addition to this, my opponent simply mentions that he `swing in a small arc to the left, but fails to mention an increase in height. This wouldn't bring him out of range of the swamp as it spans the width of the corridor. I don't remember where/where, but I remember that it was ruled that not even Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave, an A ranked technique, had the strength to push somebody out of Swamp of the Underworld.

The formation of the water wave:



Water Release: Giant Wave Crash works by manipulating an existing water source to crash into an opponent. In this case, my opponent doesn't need to use an existing water source due to having the sourceless water materialization specialty, but it's the way he goes about this that I'm unsure about (bolded above). He says he formed the water around me (Which I'm unsure if he can do), but instead of crashing into me, it pulls/drags me into my own swamp. I believe the only way this can happen is if the water is formed and crashes into me from behind, in which case not only would it not block my arrows, but shady would get hit by his own attack as well since according to him:

My reasoning:

I think my move is correct.

 

[Vayne]

Link to Fight: https://animebase.me/threads/red-fever-vayne-vs-gutsy.775074/
Link to VM Conversation: https://animebase.me/members/gutsy.100403/#profile-post-comment-14440
Issue: Invalid usage of sensing, resulting in counter failure.
Your Reasoning of the Issue: We've already agreed on the sensing not working, but we disagree on what happens after. Based on his wording, his entire counter and even timings rely on his sensing, which w/o would logically fail as a result. Gutsy claims that he can deduce the illusion still and continue on, but while he could have done that, he simply didn't. He does not describe a none sensory based deduction in his move, so it's not possible to retroactively have it be done. As for the move going through without the illusion portion, why would your actions that are entirely described reliant on sensing be made when you don't have sensing?

Also, in regards to the illusion layering you mentioned on discord, as in False Surrounding can't be layered with another illusion as it is already layered, that is not how layering works. More so in this case than normal, as the two illusions while they are layered, do not occur in the targets mind at the same time, but rather the second being reliant on the first being countered, making it more akin to a trigger than a 'layered' illusion. This is part of why Kai or Surges would only counter the first layer, but anyways layering is not restricted to two illusions. I'm not sure where you guys are getting that from, but layering, as stated in the method system,

"Lastly, there is no limitations to how many genjutsu you can layer on any given opponent. As long as you have the means and ability to do so, you may cast as many complimentary illusions on your target as you can pull off."

 

[ReXii]

Link to fight: https://animebase.me/threads/nw-tourney-rexii-vs-anbu-junior.775073/#post-22005649
Link to VM conversation: https://animebase.me/profile-posts/7521692/
Issue: Invalid counter/Usage of moves
Your reasoning of the issue: Basically, as I mentioned in my VM's it was ruled quite some time ago that when using Chidori or any of it's variants unless someone is using the Sasuke or Kakashi bio's they must make a handseal, if someone is a lightning specialist they can negate this requirement, however my opponent is not a specialist and as he can't currently make handseals his Nagashi would fail quite possibly. Secondly he took the paralytic effects from my jutsu, and acted after my jutsu had already caused his ears to bleed, as stated by himself. So presumably this would leave him replying to late to the formation of the swamp possibly.

Additionally as you can see in the video I linked on his VM's the earth and stone bamboo shoot technique requires the user to slam their hands on the ground to channel it through the earth, this is clearly seen at the timestamp, and is something he could not do thanks to the aforementioned paralytic effects even should the nagashi work as intended. The defence that "the jutsu doesn't say it" is somewhat asinine given these are canon techniques that are easily researched during basic training.

Overall my belief is that my opponent didn't adequately defend from my move, leaving him drowning in a swamp at worst, and paralysed while failing to use an earth jutsu at best.

 

[Ańbu Juniør]

Link to fight: https://animebase.me/threads/nw-tourney-rexii-vs-anbu-junior.775073/#post-22005649
Link to VM conversation: https://animebase.me/profile-posts/7521692/
Issue: Invalid counter/Usage of moves
Your reasoning of the issue: Basically, as I mentioned in my VM's it was ruled quite some time ago that when using Chidori or any of it's variants unless someone is using the Sasuke or Kakashi bio's they must make a handseal, if someone is a lightning specialist they can negate this requirement, however my opponent is not a specialist and as he can't currently make handseals his Nagashi would fail quite possibly. Secondly he took the paralytic effects from my jutsu, and acted after my jutsu had already caused his ears to bleed, as stated by himself. So presumably this would leave him replying to late to the formation of the swamp possibly.

Additionally as you can see in the video I linked on his VM's the earth and stone bamboo shoot technique requires the user to slam their hands on the ground to channel it through the earth, this is clearly seen at the timestamp, and is something he could not do thanks to the aforementioned paralytic effects even should the nagashi work as intended. The defence that "the jutsu doesn't say it" is somewhat asinine given these are canon techniques that are easily researched during basic training.

Overall my belief is that my opponent didn't adequately defend from my move, leaving him drowning in a swamp at worst, and paralysed while failing to use an earth jutsu at best.

My Reasoning of the Issue: I believe my opponent's points are both incorrect. As I mentioned in VMs, there is nothing in the Chidori Nagashi technique that states that it requires a handseal to perform. He claims that there was a ruling on it somewhere on the site, but not only am I unaware of this, but the technique itself was never updated to reflect this ruling if that is indeed the case. Before posting my move I double-checked the technique and also checked the Method System Thread to ensure that I used the technique correctly. If it required a handseal then the technique should have been updated to reflect that, similar to how Swamp of the Underworld has recently been updated, and if it wasn't then it's no fault of my own, but the RP staff themselves. The only thing I saw regarding specialties and Chidori Nagashi was the ability to resist paralysis.

As for his second issue regarding my use of the Earth and Stone Bamboo Shoot Technique, where my opponent claims that the technique requires a handseal because it did so in the anime, which is another moot and useless point. I used the technique according to its description, and nowhere in there did it say that a particular movement is required. Similar to the lightning technique above, I once again referenced the Method System for the earth element when I made the move, and it mentioned nothing about bodily movements. My opponent's claim that "The defence that "the jutsu doesn't say it" is somewhat asinine given these are canon techniques that are easily researched during basic training." is another ridiculous point. I trained in the earth element over 10 or so years ago,y at a point in which this technique probably wasn't even a part of the roleplay, and since I don't always remember how certain techniques work I always go by a Jutsu description or the Method System of each element/ability. He should know that techniques in the anime don't always translate the same way in the RP.

In conclusion, I believe there is nothing wrong with my move and I was able to utilize both Chidori Nagashi and the earth technique without issue.

 

[Ańbu Juniør]

Link to Fight: [NW Tourney] ReXii vs Anbu Junior
Link to VM Conversation: VM Conversation
Issue: My opponent's counter to Chidori Nagashi
Your Reasoning of the Issue:

I don't believe my opponent's counter to Chidori Nagashi works. The reason for this is because according to the ±± Elements & Weaknesses - Correct Usage and Guidelines ±± thread, techniques that utilize Raw Chakra are weak to elemental techniques. This is true unless a technique specifically states that it is neutral to elemental techniques due to shape manipulation or another factor.

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As shown above, the thread also explicitly states that "Note: Jyuuken or Gentle Fist, is a form of Taijutsu used by the Hyuga Clan where, in some cases, raw chakra is used/produced. The same principle applies, meaning that every technique is weaker to elemental ninjutsu except the Kaiten or Rotations and the techniques similar to Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists". He argues that Gentle Fist: One blow Body is similar to Kaiten, but these techniques are different as Kaiten specifically mentions advanced chakra control that results in the formation of the rotating shield of chakra that allows it to become neutral to elemental techniques.

Because of all this, I believe the wave of chakra he releases will be unable to protect him from the paralyzing effects of Nagashi. This means that his rotation fails to take place and he suffers damage from the earth spikes. In our VM discussion, my opponent comes up with the ridiculous notion that not only would Gentle Fist: One blow Body protect him from the lightning but that it would continue on at full power in order to strike me. I disagree with his arguments and request clarification.

 

[ReXii]

I covered most of my argument in VM's but it was a bit disjointed, so I'll reiterate again. The one blow body is used with the exact same method as rotation, in both techniques it mentions this and expelling chakra from the tenketsu (An ability only usable by the Hyuga in this format) is an advanced focused usage of ninjutsu which is what makes it play equally with elemental techniques. Spinning during the expelled chakra is simply to give it a 360 degree coverage also mentioned in canon sources. My counter is completely valid in my opinion and a more detailed explanation with references can be found in our VM's.


The second issue is that I believe, as I mention in my VM's that because the Nagashi is not channelled through a medium it has no destructive power or ability to actually stop incoming damage, since according to it's description and it's method system entry it can't do damage or destroy things in the unfocused manner only the focused variant is capable of this, though admittedly this is more of an enquiry than a certainty on my part, it's also not hugely relevant to the check. Further information to that reasoning can be found in VM's I'm keeping this short so it's easier for the checker to deal with the CR given the limited time in the fight, so most reasoning can be found there.

 

[Gutsy]

Link to Fight: https://animebase.me/threads/nw-tourney-ańbu-juniør-vs-gutsy.775534/#post-22012896

Link to VM Conversation: https://animebase.me/members/ańbu-juniør.15719/

Issue: He does not counter my obliteration and my illusion correctly, thusly failing his move.

Your Reasoning of the Issue: In my previous move, I state that I cause my body to turn into holy fire through my obliteration technique, as a surge. As I turn into holy fire, it creates a light that is blinding to his ninken and himself, though his mask accounts for the blinding. However, my illusion clearly states that “Whenever someone witnesses the light of a silmaril technique, they will be induced into a powerful illusion.” Thusly, all his ninken and him are caught in the illusion as I turn my body into holy fire. Me turning myself into holy fire, serves to cause the illusion as well as break the Multiple Infinite Embrace technique.

Additionally, In his move, he states that one of his ninken, the Shiranui would be underground, however, as the Rising Drill Shock technique used in his previous move says that the ninken has to leap into the air and rotate while causing chakra to gather around it, shaping it into a spear before coming down, it would not reach the ground or Mandos, before being induced into the illusion, breaking it from continuing onward with the technique, and simply be caught within the illusion, taking its full effect.

As for the other two ninken, they deduce the illusion through smelling my chakra. However, the issue is that AJ states that his two ninken utilize Fenrirs Armament, to strengthen their own bodies, to protect from my omnidirectional blast, caused by the Obliteration technique. However, his ninken would not be aware of the omnidirectional blast as they would have been caught within the illusion as well as having been blinded before the blast occurs. Additionally, the Fenrirs Armament does not state that it is a surge, it only causes chakra to be channeled to their skin, that does not warrant a surge to break the illusion. The point to this, is that the Fenrirs armament was specifically used to counter the omnidirectional blast, which they would not be aware of, while also being an attempt to break the illusion. Thusly, all three ninken would be trapped in my illusion and take its full effect. The trees of valinor illusion is meant to cause extreme mental and physical damage, while restricting their movement, as such, not allowing them to do anything. Thusly, there is no basis for his ninken to perform Fenrirs Armament, or any of the passives applied. [Additionally, in the convo he states during Drill, his ninken cant see anything and thusly, wont be affected by my light and illusion, incorrect]

Additionally, nowhere, in his post does he say that his ninken inform eachother about the illusion, allowing him to know.

As for AJ himself. He states that at the same time as his ninken creates the armor, he would cause chakra to course through his body, transforming it to steel. This technique does not say that it is a surge, however, it may be possible. However, in no possible fashion does he state that he is aware of himself being within an illusion, he simply states that he causes his body to turn to steel in response to releasing from this illusion while also countering the omnidirectional blast. As stated previously, the illusion triggers if you see the light of one of my techniques, and as such he is caught within it and unable to move, believing himself to be wrapped in roots of silmarili trees. This not only causing extreme damage, it also occurred before the omnidirectional blast, making him unaware of it. Thusly, he does not know to defend the omnidirectional blast that is coming, while failing to give reason for why he knows that it is an illusion that he is within, but simply “breaks” it.

In addition to this, his Glory of Galahad technique is supposedly able to protect him from A-rank techniques I assume, however, my Holy fire technique exhibits a power of 90 as compared to the regular 60 of an A-rank, even if the steel can handle S-rank it is still above this, and would crush through his defense. The holy fire, is not fire but a combination of fire, lightning, and natural energy, creating a form of energy that in this case has been solidified, giving it extreme power.

Thusly, I believe that his entire move fails on the above accounts. Allowing me to cause extreme damage to them all, while appearing in front of AJ and hitting him with my sword technique directly, as he would still be within the illusion, trapped, or have taken the full effect of my blast.

 

[Ańbu Juniør]

Your Reasoning of the Issue:

The issue here is that Gutsy uses the explosions and triggers the illusion by attempting to interrupt the first move, My dog jumping to initiate the chakra drill attack before it can be completed. Taijutsu is always faster than Ninjutsu. Inuzuka rotations are classified as Taijutsu, but Gutsy acknowledges the barrier affecting him yet somehow believes the dog wouldn't be able to complete it's attack before being placed in the illusion. Even if this is possible, when spinning we've seen that Inuzuka/Ninken move by scent and not sight, so I'm not even sure Shiranui would fall victim to his illusion in the first place.

As for the genjutsu, my Ninken had the ability to smell chakra, so by smelling the chakra expanding outwards toward them, as well as Gutsy's chakra on their body, they can deduce that they're in a genjutsu and move to break it and mount a defense at the same time. My reason for putting my armor was to follow the lead of the ninken and protect myself in case they couldn't block whatever was coming. Gutsy mentions the illusion about the trees growing, but nowhere in the technique does it say that it robs of of the ability to see the blast coming at us as well.

Glory of Galahad states " The user will channel and release their koton chakra from every chakra point on their body to turn their entire body (not just their skin) into black steel". This works much like how the earth armor technique works by releasing chakra from every point to manifest an earthen armor and is classified as a chakra surge. Galahad can be used to achieve them same effect and would break me free from the illusion.

But don't take my word for it. This is what the method system says: "Similar to genjutsu kai, chakra surges occur and break genjutsu through the user using a technique that expels chakra throughout their entire body and thus, forces out the chakra". The ninken armor would also achieve this since chakra is released from all over the body

In conclusion, I believe my move works.

 

[Delta]

Link to Fight: https://animebase.me/threads/battle-hades-vs-bb-mutt.776500/
Link to VM Conversation: https://animebase.me/members/punk-hazard.70993/#profile-post-7522157
Issue: I dont believ his "Burning down the House" Cj will affect Shadow Clones
Your Reasoning of the Issue:

As stated in my Vm's, i don't believe his CJ will work on shadow clones, based on the wording of the Cj, and the description of Shadow clones, i believe they don't fall under the same catagory.

Firstly, from his CJ, it states,
" Burning Down The House can be used to destroy enemy techniques or inanimate, chakraless entities within the terrain. This technique carries no effects on living beings, such as animals or humans, but is capable of affecting entities artificially brought to life, such as through Yang Release."

Now, the portion of this sentence which creates issue is the following two parts.

"carries no effects on living beings, such as animals or human"
and
"entities artificially brought to life"

Now, onto the issues. Firstly, it is very abundantly clear, it won't work on people, living beings, basically lifeforms of most kinds. Which leads me to the note of Shadow clone, being,
"The Kage Bunshin distributes the ninja's chakra evenly among the clones and himself and creates a real copy with form and substance "
The Bolded line states clearly, its a real copy, living, breathing, even bleeding. Its alive and living, and is, for all intensive purposes, a human. However, the argument is, that it is still artificially created, which, even if it is the case, it does NOT fall under the parameters of his CJ, which, being, the object affected has to be Artificially BROUGHT to life, not artificially created, which is where a shadow clone differs, you are not "BRINGING" it to life, you are CREATING life, which is completely different, which i will give a few examples.

Firstly, the most obvious, which is stated in his CJ, Yang release. With the technique, Change into Hell, the user can give life to an object that is already present around them, and bringing it to life. This, is artificially creating life, as you are taking a preexisting object, which was one inanimate and chakraless, and giving it life where life was not currently present, which falls under the parameters of his CJ.

Secondly, Edo Tensei. An Edo tensei is a living host which has a another persons soul forced into it, bringing the old soul back to life via the living host. This is artificially giving life to the soul placed inside the living host, as it was previously incapable of existing without this process, making it an artificial lifeform.

Now, Shadow clones are completely different. To create a shadow clone, you seperate your own chakra, and mould it into a living copy of yourself, and this is not artificially bringing something to life, this is creating life from chakra, which is wholely different.

As ive stated before, to artifically give something life, or, in the case of the CJ description itself, an "Entity"(a thing with distinct and independent existence. ) it has to have been present and existing in one form or another, and then had its properties altered, and have life bestowed upon it, for it to be considered an artificial lifeform or to be considered artifically brought to life. A shadow clone doesn't fall underthis parameter, as a shadow clone had no physical presence in the world prior to conception, it was birthed of nothing but chakra inside the user, which would make it that a Shadow clone, as per the parameters outlined in his CJ, would be unaffected, due to it not falling under the requirements of the CJ.

Even after all ive said above, i think that, if edited and resubmitted, the CJ would work in this fashion, however, as it is currently written, i see no reason it should have any effect on a Shadow clone, as clone doesn't fit the descriptions outlined for its usage.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Link to Fight: https://animebase.me/threads/battle-hades-vs-bb-mutt.776500/
Link to VM Conversation: https://animebase.me/members/punk-hazard.70993/#profile-post-7522157
Issue: I dont believ his "Burning down the House" Cj will affect Shadow Clones
Your Reasoning of the Issue:

As stated in my Vm's, i don't believe his CJ will work on shadow clones, based on the wording of the Cj, and the description of Shadow clones, i believe they don't fall under the same catagory.

Firstly, from his CJ, it states,
" Burning Down The House can be used to destroy enemy techniques or inanimate, chakraless entities within the terrain. This technique carries no effects on living beings, such as animals or humans, but is capable of affecting entities artificially brought to life, such as through Yang Release."

Now, the portion of this sentence which creates issue is the following two parts.

"carries no effects on living beings, such as animals or human"
and
"entities artificially brought to life"

Now, onto the issues. Firstly, it is very abundantly clear, it won't work on people, living beings, basically lifeforms of most kinds. Which leads me to the note of Shadow clone, being,
"The Kage Bunshin distributes the ninja's chakra evenly among the clones and himself and creates a real copy with form and substance "

Do you know what else has "form and substance?" Fire. Rocks. The Water Dragon Jutsu. None of which are considered a living being, so the fact that Shadow Clones possess "form and substance" does not make on par with a human being. The reason this sentence is included is because the E-rank clone technique, which is the weaker basic version of the Shadow Clone jutsu, does not create material clones. This does nothing to prove that Burning Down The House wouldn't work on a Shadow Clone.

The Bolded line states clearly, its a real copy, living, breathing, even bleeding. Its alive and living, and is, for all intensive purposes, a human. However, the argument is, that it is still artificially created, which, even if it is the case, it does NOT fall under the parameters of his CJ, which, being, the object affected has to be Artificially BROUGHT to life, not artificially created, which is where a shadow clone differs, you are not "BRINGING" it to life, you are CREATING life, which is completely different, which i will give a few examples.

Delta has unfortunately completely misunderstood my argument, and why I brought up the clause mentioning Yang Release. I did not argue that the Shadow Clone can be affected because it was a preexisting entity that was artificially brought to life, as he misunderstood it to be. My argument was that, since my MS jutsu can affect something brought to life by Yang Release, which is the highest form of artificial life that exists in the RP, then ANY form of artificial life would be affected. Only genuine humans and animals, which a Shadow Clone technique is not(because it's a technique), cannot be affected.

A Shadow Clone possesses less life than something that was made alive by Yang Release, so of course it can be affected by something capable of affecting the latter.

Now, Shadow clones are completely different. To create a shadow clone, you seperate your own chakra, and mould it into a living copy of yourself, and this is not artificially bringing something to life, this is creating life from chakra, which is wholely different.

I don't know if Delta has Yang Release, but if so I would advise he be taken back to training. No jutsu outside of Yang Release creates life. This is why Shadow Clones disperse into nothingness when defeated instead of, you know, dropping dead like a living thing does. It's not like a summoning jutsu either where something that was already alive is transported from another location. Chakra is molded into a form *replicating* life. It IS a jutsu in of itself.

TL;DR: A Shadow Clone is a jutsu, not a living person. At best, a Shadow Clone would be artificially alive as it is produced through a jutsu, and higher levels of artificial life can be affected by my jutsu as stated in the description. Both parameters that leave it susceptible to my technique.

Edit: Further proof that Shadow Clones are not alive: As demonstrated in Boruto: The Movie(elements of which have been adopted into the RP), Shadow Clones disperse when the user falls asleep. Nothing has been implemented in the RP that contradics this.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

Link to conflict: https://animebase.me/threads/the-threshold-093.755911/page-4#post-22063421

Reasoning: He attacked me for no reason. All I was doing was walking from another landmark into the portal. Nothing was said and didn’t even acknowledge nobody. Simply walked to the portal. He had no reason to attack me besides this OOC knowledge.

 

[Arthorius]

Link to conflict: https://animebase.me/threads/the-threshold-093.755911/page-4#post-22063421

Reasoning: He attacked me for no reason. All I was doing was walking from another landmark into the portal. Nothing was said and didn’t even acknowledge nobody. Simply walked to the portal. He had no reason to attack me besides this OOC knowledge.

This is simply untrue, after facing a horde of the undead myself, Mirai and Goetia were seriously wounded, it was at that point, upon starting to gather members for the raid that I made this post. Specifically I expressed my characters concern that the mother cult has agents everywhere, and suggested caution.

Later in the thread upon Serpents arrival in this post my biography expressed his heightened guard, despite having previously met his character Hei, this further cements his distrust.

Continuing on from that, after accepting Hei's offer to allow me to teleport across the world, Lucifer mentioned once again that there were powerful life forces surrounding them, I should mention at this point, that is referring to my ability to sense the life force of anyone without fail, across multiple landmarks thanks to my bios specialty. Lucifer would express his thoughts once more in this post.

Now with all the setup out of the way, lets turn our eyes to Teno's post. Take a look at some of the wording chosen. "Nacht looked around not bothered by none of them. Just gazing to see everybody position. It seems they are gathering to go through the portal?" He expresses here that he is ignoring everyone, he engages nor speaks to a single member, he is entirely unknown to my biography and my creations especially. Continuing from here, ""Lets Go" Nacht demanded towards bermuda. Making sure everything was good, Nacht and Bermuda made his way towards and through the portal.. What lies ahead was truly a mystery" as you can see he simply walks past everyone and attempts to enter the portal.

Now going by the layout of the landmark as dictated in my prior posts to the end of the battle, the mountain was devastated but the entrance did not change, meaning to reach the portal he must enter the chasm, travel underground past everyone there and enter, which is insane to attempt and think nobody would take note, but I digress, on to my post.

My post, the one that was quoted. I'll post the full thing since it's not particularly gigantic. "Belzebuth and Belzebuth 2 would note the approaching stranger, attempting to move past the large group of people who had gathered and enter the underworld unprompted. Seeking to prevent this, Belzebuth 1 would spit a large amount of the sea of life at S rank power in a conical fashion aimed to smother the interloper, along with blocking entrance to Irkalla, once the sea had impacted it's target location, Belzebuth 2 would shift the state of the sea in to the vile haze, incinerating the man if he chose to continue on this course of action. "

Now as you can see, the flies attacked because a stranger, entirely unprompted and alone, without not so much as a word approached the portal to the underworld, and attempted to enter it. The flies sought to prevent that and they did so through attacking the stranger, which is completely acceptable. They have no reason to allow him entry but they have many to block his entry based on the situations mentioned. Lucifer and his minions are aware that the mother cult has allies, human ones, and anyone stupid enough to attempt to barge past a group like this, well you'd probably have to expect this.

That said as mentioned in the post, this war for all intents and purposes a warning shot, the flies gave him the chance to leave, but if he chooses not to then they are not going to show mercy and there is no in character reason why they should.

 

[Arthorius]

Link to conflict: https://animebase.me/threads/the-threshold-093.755911/post-22063657
Reasoning: He attempted to absorb my sea of life attack, which is made up of a total of 60 chakra, by using a fuuinjutsu that can only absorb up to 40 chakra, due to it's cost being 40. This would fail due to absorbition abilities being determined by their chakra cost and cause him and his summon to take 100 damage immediately and be afflicted by amino-geis. This would immediately be followed by vile haze, which would deplete the rest of his health, however thanks to the amino striking his summoning, that would be under my control and not harmed by haze instead becoming my familiar. That little lightning familiar he had would be destroyed also ofc.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

Link to conflict: https://animebase.me/threads/the-threshold-093.755911/post-22063657
Reasoning: He attempted to absorb my sea of life attack, which is made up of a total of 60 chakra, by using a fuuinjutsu that can only absorb up to 40 chakra, due to it's cost being 40. This would fail due to absorbition abilities being determined by their chakra cost and cause him and his summon to take 100 damage immediately and be afflicted by amino-geis. This would immediately be followed by vile haze, which would deplete the rest of his health, however thanks to the amino striking his summoning, that would be under my control and not harmed by haze instead becoming my familiar. That little lightning familiar he had would be destroyed also ofc.

You used vile haze 3 times in total before that move and it takes a week to replenish one move. That move ain’t even go through.

I can absorb up to S rank. Says it there in the move.

Also he quoted 6 hours after not 8 hours.. so that quote is invalid.

 

[Daemon]

Link to Fight: (3) Ruins of Chungsu (001) | Page 9 | Anime Forum (animebase.me)
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Issue: Counter to Limbo fails based on the improper use of the Yin Specialty.

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Your Reasoning of the Issue:
Her usage of the genjutsu to counter limbo would result in failure. For one, Madara and his clones are immune to visual genjutsu. Meaning the genjutsu wouldn't set in place anyway, thus limbo is not stopped and resulting in her getting hit with the attack. She makes no mention of how she moves making her "accidental" avoidance of Limbo not applicable.. She also casts this genjutsu on 5 other people, 6 including madara, its highly unlikely that she performed the taijutsu moves on all of us. She claims her genjutsu can "separate Madara's consciousness from his physical body" her genjutsu makes no mention of such a thing. At best it, makes the victims perceive the world through a shattered frame. And if she can do more than that the issue still comes up that the genjutsu doesn't affect the clones nor Madara, hence limbo would connect as she tries to perform her two motions to enact the genjutsu which fails. And finally, the Yin specialty cannot remove the release methods of Dojutsu. It is restricted to the primary releases (Chakra Surges, Kai, and Pain) none of which she targeted. If I'm missing anything it's in the discord conversation.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

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Issue: Counter to Limbo fails based on the improper use of the Yin Specialty.

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Her usage of the genjutsu to counter limbo would result in failure. For one, Madara and his clones are immune to visual genjutsu. Meaning the genjutsu wouldn't set in place anyway, thus limbo is not stopped and resulting in her getting hit with the attack. She makes no mention of how she moves making her "accidental" avoidance of Limbo not applicable.. She also casts this genjutsu on 5 other people, 6 including madara, its highly unlikely that she performed the taijutsu moves on all of us. She claims her genjutsu can "separate Madara's consciousness from his physical body" her genjutsu makes no mention of such a thing. At best it, makes the victims perceive the world through a shattered frame. And if she can do more than that the issue still comes up that the genjutsu doesn't affect the clones. And finally, the Yin specialty cannot remove the release methods of Dojutsu. It is restricted to the primary releases (Chakra Surges, Kai, and Pain) none of which she targeted. If I'm missing anything it's in the discord conversation.

I don't think that discord was much of a conversation but okay:

1. Shattering isn't a solely visual Genjutsu, Surreal Palm is a all-encompassing genjutsu exploration of the Illusionary realm without focusing on merely Visual Illusions. And it is also not solely Genjutsu-based, as it is Gen-Taijutsu, so actions are simultaneously made in both the physical and the illusionary realm.

2. My post describes both the illusion and the physical motions. Being the mumbled handseal which is a direct consequence of Madara's move and the backflip backwards away from Madara, to the ceiling, which was done to gain a vantage point in order to shoot an attack that can target both Madara, which placed himself between Isabella and Susabi, and Susabi as well.

3. Surreal Palm afflicts Genjutsu on those that witness it. My taijutsu portion had the dual purpose of moving myself and casting the Genjutsu. Taijutsu wasn't "performed" on all of the targets, in fact, the taijutsu portion, once applied physically to a target, will shatter the illusion for a split moment ( As per the jutsu description ) while only only motions without physical contact will be able to manipulate the illusion. Both types of actions are clearly described in the technique and the move.

4. Shattering invokes an illusion of shattering the target's perception, not just visually. It mentions the concept of shattering one's mental realm, illusionary by nature, which can happen to any target, including the user, as a means to disable or shatter afflicting conditions, such as an opposing technique. Surreal Palm's pillar is countering Illusions and other mental afflictions through the exploration of the illusion realm. It is in both the description of the style and this technique. Madara has his mind shattered within the illusion, disconnecting it from his body, which is nothing more than a Paralyzing effect mixed with a A-sensory or Sensory Numbing effect, both recurring effects from Genjutsu.

5. Limbo was used in his turn as an emergence of two clones from within Madara to then strike Isabella down. That was only one part of the move, a CQC attack by two untrackable clones. IC, what Isabella can perceive was an aggressive switch on Madara to close in on her and intercede between her and Susabi, while activating his Rinnegan and, within the same timeframe, have a clone hinder her ability to use handseals through a Genjutsu. She is put in a disadvantageous position while an enemy closes in on her. Her response was to use Surreal Palm against Genjutsu, obviously, to flush out the genjutsu and allow her to take a more advantageous position, which is backing away from the closing threat and attack both it and the one holding the page she wants. It was an "accidental" counter merely because Madara did about 5-6 things that would warrant a counter from Isabella, and one of those things happen to be Limbo. I wouldn't be able to counter Limbo if he had made no other atempts against Isabella, because she would have no reason to, as her opponent was Susabi, but his move wasn't just Limbo.

6. Okay, change the writting to define what the basic releases are. I've written most Genjutsu rules and training threads, what is basic for you isn't basic for me, Doujutsu piercing illusions is pretty basic and usual for me. But disregarding the Yin attribute to revoke a counter, the rest of the move stands.

 

[Alyx]

Link to Fight: Fight Link
Link to VM Conversation: Was held in Discord DMS
Issue: I believe the opponent didn't avoid the formation of Swamp correctly.
Your Reasoning of the Issue:

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Swamp doesn't follow the same traditional "jutsu" speed, as much might believe. The jutsu speed chart refers to how techniques travel; which Swamp doesn't travel. It's summoned/terrachanges the area around the opponent with little to no time to react, as Serpent had once asked about in the past, and yes it was prior to jutsu speeds but the technique specifically still follows the above, in my opinion. That's like saying FTG has a speed to it, despite it being instant movement.

 

[Skorm]

Link to Fight: Fight Link
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Issue: I believe the opponent didn't avoid the formation of Swamp correctly.
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Swamp doesn't follow the same traditional "jutsu" speed, as much might believe. The jutsu speed chart refers to how techniques travel; which Swamp doesn't travel. It's summoned/terrachanges the area around the opponent with little to no time to react, as Serpent had once asked about in the past, and yes it was prior to jutsu speeds but the technique specifically still follows the above, in my opinion. That's like saying FTG has a speed to it, despite it being instant movement.

Points i want to raise is that my bio has both Yin/Yang sensory and Dojutsu and can thus react to a technique forming and what element is forming before the technique is even unleashed. Sure, i cannot perform a technique before the opponents technique takes place but it should give me an upper hand. The screenshots provided here are a year old, meaning they are not contemplating the Jutsu speed rules that were given to us rather recently. If Swamp is supposed to move like a Space time technique, why does the technique not say that? There's yet another technique that has that speed but that's actually explained in the jutsu itself - that jutsu is Kirin. Going back to the jutsu speed rules.

✖ JUTSU SPEED
A new but long needed addition, The Speed Chart now includes speeds for the various Elemental Affinities and Ninjutsu. In the series, elements have been shown to have varying speeds - based on the power of the jutsu, the rank, affinity and more. In addition to this, members have wished for a more viable system to be put into place that enables them more options to dodge techniques logically. With these two thoughts in mind, I decided to work on a system that allows for techniques to now have speeds that are reflected based on their ranks. This system, though simple, has some intricacies related to it that must be mentioned for clarity's sake. First and foremost, the order in terms of slowest to fastest is Earth Release, Water Release, Wind/Fire Release, and Lightning Release. Shown below, the slowest an element can start at is speeds of 2 via E Rank Earth Release with a max base speed of 16 for a Forbidden Ranked Lightning Jutsu.


In addition to the various Elemental fields, every Advanced Ninjutsu except Sound Ninjutsu has an E Rank Speed of 3, or comparable to Fire and Wind. Sound, however, has an E rank speed of 4. Any other ability that produces techniques that can travel have an E rank Speed of 3 ( unless noted otherwise in specific techniques or abilities ), all scaling upwards by 2 per rank. Living entities such as Ninken, Aburame Bugs, etc will have their respective techniques updated to reflect their adjusted/given speeds as well. If a field has an ability or technique that you think needs an actual speed attached, forward the technique to Lord of Kaos.

Element →Jutsu Rank ↓	Earth (and related AE/KG)	Water (and related AE/KG)	Fire (and related AE/KG)	Wind (and related AE/KG)	Lightning (and related AE/KG)	AN/Universals/Etc
E Rank Jutsu	2	2	3	3	4	3
D Rank Jutsu	4	4	5	5	6	5
C Rank Jutsu	6	6	7	7	8	7
B Rank Jutsu	8	8	9	9	10	9
A Rank Jutsu	10	10	11	11	12	11
S Rank Jutsu	12	12	13	13	14	13
Forbidden Rank Jutsu	14	14	15	15	16	15

S-rank earth moves at 12 speed, a speed that both my summoning and, needless to say, my TCM charged Alucard can easily outpace.

If this technique, Swamp, is actually moving past this speed it should be stated in the technique. Nowhere in the technique description there is a speed on how fast the swamp itself is converting the earth itself, nowhere in the technique does it even state that it is "summoned" - it states the user (after the handseal sequence mind you) changes the surface of an object beneath an enemy into mud.

( Doton: Yomi Numa ) - Earth Style: Swamp of the Underworld
Type: Supplementary
Rank: A - Forbidden
Range: Short - Long
Chakra: 30 - 50
Damage: N/A
Description: The user will first perform Boar → Tiger and then by changing the surface of an object beneath an enemy into mud and creating a non flammable swamp, the user can sink his enemy into the mud. The adhesive, chakra-infused mud ensnares the enemy's body, making it almost impossible to recover one's strength and escape from the swamp. The size and depth of the created swamp depends on the user's skill and the amount of chakra used, but if the user is an expert in this technique, it will always be possible to make a thick, newer impossible to move in swamp which is extremely effective against a great number of enemies or when having to face gigantic creatures.
Note: A rank use can extend up to mid range and will cause a target to become engulfed after one turn and suffocate after taking 60 damage per turn.
Note: S rank use can extend up to a single landmark in range and will cause a target to become engulfed and suffocate after one taking 80 damage per turn.
Note: Forbidden ranked use can only be used by Earth Specialists and Jiraiya bios. It can only.be used 3 times and is causing targets engulfed to suffocate in a single turn and can be up to 100 meters deep and wide and/or up to two landma

Opponent also goes by stating even my creation would fall into this mud, the creation already has wings naturally and does not need to spend a move creating a pair to do so and thus a move should not even needed to be allocated for that.

 

[ZK]

Link to Fight: https://animebase.me/threads/qindong-024-hawke-vs-heishiki.781209/
Link to VM Conversation: https://animebase.me/members/serpent.44848/#profile-post-7524474
Issue: Opponent's attempt to freeform dodge and the manner in which he does so.
Your Reasoning of the Issue:

Elemental Taijutsu blasts (ETB) reach mid range, as the technique makes clear. I almost never use them at that range for balance purposes, but Elemental Taijutsu clearly specifies mid range in its range section.
The combo of Buster + ETB should be pretty sizeable, as I describe. My opponent has protested that I did not specify the size of my combination, but I do not feel that this is accurate. It's a central blast surrounded by explosive tag formulae lines converging upon him from all sides. He attempts to freeform dodge this combination by, and I quote; "rapidly move backwards slightly to the left out of short range." He even specifies how he only needs to move one meter to escape both techniques, thus implying that that he only moves that distance. I can sympathize with his argument for the ETB here, but Buster is obviously a mid range technique, so I have some difficulty understanding how moving 'slightly' anywhere will allow him to dodge it, no matter his speed. I did misunderstand that his dodge movement is a single, diagonal movement and not two separate lateral movements. I also refer to some forwards momentum of my opponent's that he disagrees with and that is fair. I want to underline that I am not trying to misrepresent my opponent's arguments.

This is the central disagreement. However, my opponent has brought up some other objections in this context:

- He states that I am limited to A-ranks due to his sealing technique, but since activation counts as 1/2 turns and his move takes place in his 3rd, that technique would be ended. Even if it were not; I am making use of a technique without chakra cost, but we disagree about whether this would be disallowed by the sealing technique.

- There seems to be some confusion about Elemental Tai and its ability to use blasts. My opponent refers directly to the K'Tai technique and states, correctly, that it does not mention any blasts. I will admit this could be my fault. I'm betting Mods would advice me to post the technique every time I make use of its effects and if that is the case I apologize, but it was not a problem for my opponent when I used the same type of blast with the same type of technique earlier in the fight. I've used this technique this way in every fight I've been in for a decade. It's never been challenged. This is not an argument for or against; it's just me being an old rat

- My opponent also refers to my use of Explosive Totem. I only bring this earlier move up because he mentions it as a part of the move I am questioning. My opponent informed me that seal techniques being placed on someone else's body requires Adv. Fuuinjutsu. I was not aware of this, so that is a fair argument. However, my opponent cannot have it both ways. Either I am unable to use it, in which case everything would proceed as it did. Otherwise, my opponent attempted to teleport himself away from what is essentially a tattoo placed on his body and states that this would not only work, but also somehow leave the explosion behind so as to damage me further.