NB Team Debate League Round 2: Turnt Up vs Senko

Prince Charles

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"What's with all the pictures, you say? Nothing, 2013 happened. Times change.

First off Anub i have to address you're idiotic remarks regarding our use of pics and certain font styles.You talk as if this should be prohibited from debates.There is nothing wrong with constructing a smooth and clean post. It makes it more enjoyable for the reader. No one wants to read a plain text full of links and etc.

Anyway's lets start. This you're boy prince charles! Man you guys already know what the deal is..
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Actually Dr.Proof's argument does stand indeed. It only makes logical sense that Since the pains would split up that logically Team Guy would have to split some time in the match. Proof was simply giving a logically situation which would most likely come true. As we saw against kisame and guy this is quite a similar situation. Kisame made 3 water clones which later on Guy was left buy himself to . As you can clearly see when kisame multiplied himself the whole battle set up changed and it caused Team guy to separate. The same thing will happen here against the pains.

It should also be noted that by now Deva pain is in commission now but let's save that for later shall we?

Countering Anubs rebuttal towards SOTRS
Team Gai is angry, you say? Well congratulations sir, for proving absolutely nothing. Pain, whether he be angry or not, has shown that he simply does not waste time when in a fight, and in fact, he attacks first all the time [ ]/[ ].So there goes that. I mean, you guys can choose to ignore our opening, and the propositions we've put forth, however, all it looks like is you guys don't have a sufficient counter to our post. Works better for us, to be honest. Not to mention, you're dead wrong about Pain being "overconfident". Are you shitting me right now? First of all, Naruto is one kid, and we've got a squad of 4, so our guard isn't going to be as low as you think. Second of all, we have info on you guys from the Kisame battle, meaning, we know you're not to be trifled with, as it could cost us dearly. Please, never ever compare these two ever again.

The distance provided is 15 meters … so this means we’re quite close. Our first move is to allow Gai and Lee to enter in their best forms and we’ll be doing this with TenTen summoning some ninja tools and firing them towards Neji, who will use kaiten ( ), will spread those tools in the direction of the paths, thus rendering them unable to attack while my team retreats. It will look something like this: .

Are you kidding me right now? If this is a method to catch Pain off guard, then Pain defends from it with the Giant Panda, who canonically defended from a similar ranged attack, almost replicating "Ninja tools"[ ]. I do know your aim is to get as far away from us as possible, and that's fine, as it's better for us. We know your team possesses extremely dangerous close quarter combatants [ ][ ][ ].

Judges and friends of NB I hope you are witnessing this. Im sorry but me an my team are actually noticing inconsistency with Anub's post. He's taking a different starting route, when his partner Draegod posted something entirely different. So basically, he's going against his partners own opening.

The weapons bolster by an adjusted Hakkeshō Kaiten, sends the weapons traveling simultaneously at a high velocity that should be difficult to see towards the Six Paths. Tendō cannot use Banshō Ten'in or Shinra Tensei to repel or attract the weapons, so Gai-Han will expect Chikushōdō to summon a creature. If done, Tenten will cautiously aim to strike the concentric circles and pupils of the summons. During Tenten’s process of upsetting the link between summon and caster, Gai will throw Neji using the benefits of Keimon at the Six Paths. Lee and Gai advance.

I'll actually start discussing Deva pain now considering the fact that he should be able to his powers now. I honestly dont know where you got that crazy idea that with the use of rotation from Neji the weapons will be traveling at simultaneously speed.. It seems more like a assumption to me. Even so when the weapons come within close radius of Deva pain he will still be capable of repelling them with the use of .

You're assuming that Tenten has the capabilities of hitting the blind spots of the summons when in fact the only person in the manga that we know to perfectly hit the blind spots of the Animals is Itachi which is known for his famous shurikenjutsu[ .

Neji being thrown into the paths and dispersing chakra from his body will be utterly stupid or have you not taking into considerion of the fact that Asura pain can simply as a way to catch neji in the air where he is most vulnerable.

You're accusations of the pains getting thrown up into the air and being victim to Lee are invalid. You really arent taking into consideration of their shared vision they share. As shown during the kakashi fight Asura pain is in mid air while kakashi comes behind him for a chidori and

Deva pain plays a main factor here. He simply roflstomps them. Pain will acknowledge that Guy is the biggest threat here and will immediately start to take him out. A simple universal pull will bring Guy in to Pain and Asura will finish the job [ ] Guy has no counter to this as seeing Deva pain can simply increase the force of the pulling in as shown against kakashi.

Another counter to Lee/neji combo throwing the pains up in the air

Their is a major flaw in you're reasoning. Even if the pains got sent up in the air by neji or Lee, Animal path can simply re summon them back to the ground putting them out of danger.[ ][ ]

Judges as you can clearly see Even if the other pains got sent up into the air, Animal path can easily re summon them back.

Deva finishes this Match
Team Guy has no counter to Chibaku tensei and will immediately one shot them. No debate. And before you try to say the other pains will get hurt keep in mind as i just explained how Animal path can simply re summon the pains back to the surface out of harms way.

All Deva pain has to do is send up himself up into the air along with the other pains and do a . Getting in range within Deva would be utterly useless considering he can simply do a which badly injure the members of Team Guy.

Deva pain simply overpowers Team guy. A simple Will prove to be enough to take care of them. I lvoe how you compare tenten's use of her fan destroying one of Kakuzu's Monster to a nearly a bijuu size summon of one of the paths..


I know you want to avoid this argument, but it’s part of the debate so you cannot. Guy can and WILL enter his 8th Gate, thus sacrificing himself for the good of his team. What do we know about the gate? “The Gate of Death (死門, Shimon), located at the heart. Releasing this gate uses up all of the body's energy. It makes the heart pump at maximum power and exceeds the power of every other gate. Opening this gate gives the user power that is even beyond the five Kage, but comes at the expense of the user's life shortly after.”
So in short, it’s a HUGE burst of power unmeasured, but enormous enough to surpass the Kage and it’s an improvement from gate number 7. So Let’s imagine Guy in his 6th gate. He was fast and resulted in an almost instant win against Kisame’s clone. Guy’s 7th gate: an instant win against Kisame’s full power! Guy’s 8th gate will be more than any of the paths can handle that’s for sure, but my guess: instant destruction of whichever paths he will decide to target. My guess, we’ll start with Animal, Deva, and then work our way around the rest.
I’m too tired to write more stuff. I guess this will have to do. I will edit this for the judges if they wish to read it easier (as in bold a few words, space out sentences).

Discussing guys 8th gates is not only retarded but utterly useless. We have no feats but mere hype regarding the Gates but I just love how you assume he will simply kill off the Pains like Deva and etc when your'e not even taking into consideration of . I really can't take your'e strategies seriously.. You're saying Neji and lee and tenten etc.. can do all this stuff when not considering Devas power. All he has to do is pull Guy in with his universal pull and its GG. The summoning the summons do not take a long time to pull off..

A particular summon that would be a major advantage to the pains would be the used against Jiraiya. As far as I am aware of Team guy has no barrier techs to sense where the reptile is so they will constantly be in a vulnerable position during the whole match.

The rinnegan dog is more than enough to handle team guy for a quite a while, what will happen during this period of time? Ill tell you what will happen.Team guy will get their chakra depleted and be exhausted which return will only help my team.

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Put it simply team guy has no counter to this. As soon this CT is activated its GG for Team guy. Dont even bring up morning peacock because it easily gets countered by Anub is basically saying lee and neji etc can pull off all these strategies and he is not taking into considering of Devas immense power and especially the shared vision. Deva pain is the key factor here and as soon as his power gets back its GG. A simple chibaku tensei finishes this.​
 

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The match should be judged now, according to everyone, no extension was asked or given. And with 5 ppl on a team, why is it taking so long to build a post? Instead of trying to make sure all 5 members read the post before you post (which is damn near impossible to have all 5 members on at the same time btw...), you should talk strategy before you make the post then post. Thats what we do/did, its not hard at all...
 

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The match should be judged now, according to everyone, no extension was asked or given. And with 5 ppl on a team, why is it taking so long to build a post? Instead of trying to make sure all 5 members read the post before you post (which is damn near impossible to have all 5 members on at the same time btw...), you should talk strategy before you make the post then post. Thats what we do/did, its not hard at all...

Everyone has their own tactics. :rolleyes: We rather discuss with each other our flaws within our posts before we post.
 

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Incorrect. Extensions will be given if the opposing team requests one. If it isn't an ongoing thing extensions will be given upon request more than likely.





I was not aware that a team could request an extention AFTER the Round had already officially ended. If I would have known Prince was still planning on giving his closing statement, I OBVIOUSLY would have waited to give mine, so I could have the chance to COUNTER his closing.

If he is allowed to give his closing statement, that means your team got to open the match AND close it without a chance of being countered. Hell, that would actually mean Prince could counter MY closing post if he wanted to LMAO... Sounds iffy to me.... but that isn't my decision to make I guess..... oh well....




TEAM SENKO.
 

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Everyone has their own tactics. :rolleyes: We rather discuss with each other our flaws within our posts before we post.

I feel you, but my question is... Is there any proof that an extension was asked or granted? And if there was why wasnt both teams informed? (not saying its your fault btw)

Why have rules and time limits?...
 

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is it really that serious Zzz you guys are getting too worked up. and my post is a counter to anub and anub only. i didnt change it or anything.

and milwauk i didnt counter ur argument. simply anubs.
 

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I feel you, but my question is... Is there any proof that an extension was asked or granted? And if there was why wasnt both teams informed? (not saying its your fault btw)

Why have rules and time limits?...

Prince did ask for an extension on this thread I believe.
 

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Yes, just go ahead. Since MilwaukeegHost's post was made when it wasn't their turn, it will not be counted as a part of the debate, meaning that the next move, is yours.



Dude, if my post doesn't count, then someone needs to inform the creator of this tournament what the rules are LOL cause he personally told me to post our closing before the match ended. I honestly want Prince to give his closing (so there will be no arguement about unfairness)...

... but to additionally say my post doesn't count?!? That's F'ed up man. Please show me this in the official rules...
 

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I was not aware that a team could request an extention AFTER the Round had already officially ended. If I would have known Prince was still planning on giving his closing statement, I OBVIOUSLY would have waited to give mine, so I could have the chance to COUNTER his closing.

If he is allowed to give his closing statement, that means your team got to open the match AND close it without a chance of being countered. Hell, that would actually mean Prince could counter MY closing post if he wanted to LMAO... Sounds iffy to me.... but that isn't my decision to make I guess..... oh well....




TEAM SENKO.
Since their post was made after the time limit, (Only 20 mins though) just delete your previous points, and repost them here, and they will be counted as a part of the debate. That way, no one has to be upset about time limits, and each team will have the same amount of posts. So repost your counter now, and that will be considered a part of the debate.
 

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is it really that serious Zzz you guys are getting too worked up. and my post is a counter to anub and anub only. i didnt change it or anything.

and milwauk i didnt counter ur argument. simply anubs.

Bro im coolin, just next time keep in mind the time frame. You guys literally took your time on purpose. Thats what is frowned upon, waisting time.. Either follow the rules or follow the rules.

Prince did ask for an extension on this thread I believe.

He didnt ask for his post and it was never officially given (again not saying its your fault).
 

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Since their post was made after the time limit, (Only 20 mins though) just delete your previous points, and repost them here, and they will be counted as a part of the debate. That way, no one has to be upset about time limits, and each team will have the same amount of posts. So repost your counter now, and that will be considered a part of the debate.




I honestly don't want to counter PC's closing post. He said he didn't counter my closing post, so that's good enough for me. I just want my last post to count... From your previous post I thought you meant our team wouldn't have a chance to have a "valid" closing post. PC is cool people, I'm not trying to be shady to him at all.


I say just leave both teams closing posts as they are, and let the judges make their decision.
 

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Bro im coolin, just next time keep in mind the time frame. You guys literally took your time on purpose. Thats what is frowned upon, waisting time.. Either follow the rules or follow the rules.



He didnt ask for his post and it was never officially given (again not saying its your fault).

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You guys literally took your time on purpose. Thats what is frowned upon, waisting time.. Either follow the rules or follow the rules.


oh? no one was taking time on purpose.. I was busy today and i hadnt completely finished my argument and after i did i wanted to run it by my team real quick
 

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I honestly don't want to counter PC's closing post. He said he didn't counter my closing post, so that's good enough for me. I just want my last post to count... From your previous post I thought you meant our team wouldn't have a chance to have a "valid" closing post. PC is cool people, I'm not trying to be shady to him at all.


I say just leave both teams closing posts as they are, and let the judges make their decision.

Why not just comply with 6 paths simple request. It's not that big of a deal.
 

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Bro im coolin, just next time keep in mind the time frame. You guys literally took your time on purpose. Thats what is frowned upon, waisting time.. Either follow the rules or follow the rules.



He didnt ask for his post and it was never officially given (again not saying its your fault).

I see it as a big confusion tbh. Either way, I'm alright.

I say just leave both teams closing posts as they are, and let the judges make their decision.

I agree with this.
 

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You guys literally took your time on purpose. Thats what is frowned upon, waisting time.. Either follow the rules or follow the rules.


oh? no one was taking time on purpose.. I was busy today and i hadnt completely finished my argument and after i did i wanted to run it by my team real quick

Again, knowing were on a time schedule and knowing you were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind because you were busy.. But you still decided to not post and wait for your entire team to get online and review what you had (and make changes if they didnt like something btw)... Thats called "Me time", thats called wasting every ones else time and being selfish!

You guys have to realize we had the last post, so you waiting the last minute like we knew you would (even ppl outside the match knew you all would pull this), we decided to post before a "H0E move" was pulled (and sure enough it was pulled).

We all have lives and other things to do, so be considerate and dont think only you and your team are the only ones time heavy. For future rounds know better and at least ask for an official extension; have the judge and BOTH TEAMS informed! Sounds mature does it not?
 

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I see it as a big confusion tbh. Either way, I'm alright.



I agree with this.

Yea, next time we will have the judge keep track of time to make sure you guys are aware and have to hurry instead of pacing..
 

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Well, seeing as Charles posted his argument 20 minutes after the time limit, I think that tells you we weren't aiming to pull this so called "hoe move".
 

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Again, knowing were on a time schedule and knowing you were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind because you were busy.. But you still decided to not post and wait for your entire team to get online and review what you had (and make changes if they didnt like something btw)... Thats called "Me time", thats called wasting every ones else time and being selfish!

You guys have to realize we had the last post, so you waiting the last minute like we knew you would (even ppl outside the match knew you all would pull this), we decided to post before a "H0E move" was pulled (and sure enough it was pulled).

We all have lives and other things to do, so be considerate and dont think only you and your team are the only ones time heavy. For future rounds know better and at least ask for an official extension; have the judge and BOTH TEAMS informed! Sounds mature does it not?

knowing were on a time schedule and knowing you were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind

I actually wasnt aware that i was behind the time limit..

But you still decided to not post and wait for your entire team to get online and review what you had (and make changes if they didnt like something btw)...

Um no I didnt wait for my entire team to get online.. i was working on my argument and finished and was about to review it with my team but i noticed by looking at others profiles and etc that my time was nearly up so i never got the chance to review it with my team..

UM wrong again.. I didnt make any changes to it. its meant for anubs post. it has nothing to do with milwauks post. get your facts straight.

You guys have to realize we had the last post, so you waiting the last minute like we knew you would (even ppl outside the match knew you all would pull this), we decided to post before a "H0E move" was pulled (and sure enough it was pulled).

lmfao what?
 

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Well, seeing as Charles posted his argument 20 minutes after the time limit, I think that tells you we weren't aiming to pull this so called "hoe move".

knowing were on a time schedule and knowing you were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind

I actually wasnt aware that i was behind the time limit..

But you still decided to not post and wait for your entire team to get online and review what you had (and make changes if they didnt like something btw)...

Um no I didnt wait for my entire team to get online.. i was working on my argument and finished and was about to review it with my team but i noticed by looking at others profiles and etc that my time was nearly up so i never got the chance to review it with my team..

UM wrong again.. I didnt make any changes to it. its meant for anubs post. it has nothing to do with milwauks post. get your facts straight.

You guys have to realize we had the last post, so you waiting the last minute like we knew you would (even ppl outside the match knew you all would pull this), we decided to post before a "H0E move" was pulled (and sure enough it was pulled).

lmfao what?

Bros don't worry about arguing with him. Let's just progress through this tourney. -6 Paths- overall configures what is fair, and what isn't.
 

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Bros don't worry about arguing with him. Let's just progress through this tourney. -6 Paths- overall configures what is fair, and what isn't.

i honestly dont know where draegod comes up with this ''HOE MOVE"' we were trying to pull? lmfao .. but whatever
 
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