[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 510 Discussion/ 511 Predictions

[Warlock Tigerwolf]

Konan must not be dead.... She seems to have done a jutsu before Madara grabbing her neck and said to herself that Nagato renewed her hope. If she was to die, I would say, she should say "Oh crap, now he got the Rinnegan"... She can't be so positive in death... And she should count the possibility of her loss and Madara finding Nagato... I really wish she is not dead...
Nagato was an Uzumaki, maybe the Sage genes passed down to Naruto. It makes sense.... Hashirama was also one of the Paths(? <- haven't entirely understood what Madara meant with "Hashirama was 2nd, Nagato was 3d") and Senju are connected to Uzumaki, so it's highly likely to be that case.

since many people seem to be confused I'll try to set it straight.

Hashirama Senju is the 1st of the 6 paths
Madara Uchiha is the 2nd of the 6 paths
Nagato Uzimaki is the 3rd of the 6 paths.

Madara is TRYING to become a sage of 6 paths.

Senju + Uchiha + Rinnenegan. He's half way there, he stil needs 3 more path.

he has the blood line, Senju + Uchiha, he has the eyes, but perhaps they are incomplete, and he needs EMS to merge with Rinnenegan.

Which regrettably, would make Sasuke 4th of 6 paths.

For Chakra, Naruto seems to have the light chakra (sorry I forget my yin and yang atm) Would Gedo Mazo be the dark chakra??

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

Konan must not be dead.... She seems to have done a jutsu before Madara grabbing her neck and said to herself that Nagato renewed her hope. If she was to die, I would say, she should say "Oh crap, now he got the Rinnegan"... She can't be so positive in death... And she should count the possibility of her loss and Madara finding Nagato... I really wish she is not dead...
Nagato was an Uzumaki, maybe the Sage genes passed down to Naruto. It makes sense.... Hashirama was also one of the Paths(? <- haven't entirely understood what Madara meant with "Hashirama was 2nd, Nagato was 3d") and Senju are connected to Uzumaki, so it's highly likely to be that case.

Konan will die..Madara is using izangi. As soon as he releases the technique she would be dead according to madara himself.

Reading everyones thread, people are still posting the same questions. Why did madara's izangi close if he has the ems? N the other question is why is nagato the 3rd path..

Geez, r ppl not reading before there posting? some of these questions have already been answered.

Madara's izangi usage causes his sharigan eye to seal shut losing its sight.

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The sharigan hes using isn't his ems, but a implanted version.

Madara's izangi is complete because he can use it for any duration. Danzo's was incomplete because he couldn't do so.

Nagato is the 3rd path because he has the rinnegan

Now that we know this please stop posting the same questions over n over im sure a few people are slapping themselves :flaw: for answering the same questions a bajillion times O.O

 

[tricky411]

Never would have imagined Madara had both eyes or for that matter Nagato and Naruto are related.

 

[sageofthe6path]

for me im just still waiting the post of silenceofthelambs and yondaimeminato for their post im always convince for the explanation of this two dudes.... right now it is clear the fact that madara uchiha never lost a war to hashirama, minato, and konan...... it is clear that his perception i mean intelligence pawns all even sasuke uchiha.........

 

[uzumakiclanrules]

Do we know for sure its nagato uzumaki? coz. his mum might have been an uzumaki fr all we know...

it was different for naruto...but im not sure as to whether its nagato uzumaki...

I find it wierd...both the children of prophecy from uzumaki clan...does this mean something?

Anyways, anyone know when th 511 spoilers are out???

 

[danivass]

2. judging from this page,

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we can see the tomoe in his sharingan vanish after using izanagi

Either the tomoe vanished or they remained on the eye when it started closing but Madara's eyelids covered them up so we don't see them in the picture but they are still there. I would think the 2nd is more logical though, as

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Danzo does not lose the tomoe before the sharingan closes.

Now, some people said that Madara's using Zetsu's body or something else connected to Zetsu can explain his black left side. I, however believe that it is a mere shadow, if you would look at this

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, you can see clearly there is a shadow on the left side of Madara's forehead. Even though some of his mask is blown off, his nose is not and it is the cause for the much darker shadow on the left side of his face.

As for the 6 paths dilemma the 4th and 5th paths should be Naruto and Sasuke, the sixth probably is Itachi for two reasons:
1)A part of his power is in Naruto
2)His MS and another part of his power along with it is in Sasuke
So I think that Madara now has 3 paths and Sasuke and Naruto 1 and a half paths.

By the way, the new drawing of the ten-tails

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looks like the Gedo Mazo taken from Sarito's signature(which is directly from the anime I think, sorry but Naruto wikia's Image didn't have everything I needed to prove my point) :

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Does anyone remember a few months ago, maybe more someone started a small debate that the Gedo Mazo is actually the body of the ten tails? The manga panel showed the ten tails having something on its back similar to what Gedo Mazo has which can also be seen in the folowing picture:

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That and the fact that a ninja of Hanzo's caliber (the leaf and rain troops with him too) had absolutely NO clue what Gedo Mazo is could actually mean that is the body of the ten tails and that it can be summoned from the moon.

Also, I have been thinking why does it look like the So6P only used Izanagi after he became the juubi host (not saying this is indeed a fact, more like a guess)
I'm looking forward to seeing some constructive criticism to my post (only constructive xd)

 

[Scorps]

This chapter raised more questions than answers.

1st-> I was right about the izanagi and madara. lol

2nd-> did he go blind when he used it in this chapter or was he already blind? can he use it after he goes blind? weird. did he sacrifice his sharingan in this fight?

3rd-> in what extent does he have the 1sts powers? didn't understand that...

4th-> he gave nagato the rinnegan?!

5th-> Nagato is uzmaki?


Theory: the six paths are like six diferent parts of the Sage of six paths: body (senju), life energy/chakra (uchiha), eyes/rinnegan, bijuu (they were once part of the So6P), knowlegde and mind.

Harashisama was the embodiment of the 1st path -> body
Madara originaly the embodiment of the 2nd path, but now that path is represented by sasuke since Madara isn't a "pure" uchiha anymore -> energy/chakra
Nagato the 3rd path -> rinnegan, the all true eyes
the bijuu path is scattered in 9, and that's why madara wants to gather them all.
knowlegde is problably hidden in the uzmaki clan bloodline.
Mind problably represents the spirit that Naruto posesses: the will to change the world for a better place. The pure light of a pure soul.

Madara is trying to gather all the paths of the SO6P in order to become like he was. He wants to transform himself in the SO6P. He now posesses 3 paths out of 6. Or so it seems. And by that logic, Naruto has two paths. Maybe that's why he transformed so much when he acessed the fox chakra: he completed two paths, mind and bijuu all in himself.

Maybe that's why madara sacrificied his sharingan in izanagi: he knew he was going to get the rinnegan in exchange.

Also, this would explain why Nagato got so weak using the rinnegan: he had only one path. Even with the strong lifeforce of the uzmaki clan, the rinnegan still requires all other 5 paths in order to be complete.

But in what extent does madara have the 1st power?

Found this on wikipedia:

"The concept of Shatsthala or six Phases/States/Paths is pivotal to the Lingayat philosophy. Shatsthala is a conflation of Shat and Sthala which means 'six phases/states/levels' through which a soul advances in its ultimate quest of realisation of the Supreme. The Shatsthala comprises the Bhakta Sthala, Maheshwara Sthala, Prasadi Sthala, Pranalingi Sthala, Sharana Sthala and the Aikya Sthala. The Aikya Sthala is the culmination where the soul leaves the physical body and merges with the Supreme."

Kishi gets his ideas in some cultures, so there might be a relation in this...

 

[Scorps]

Either the tomoe vanished or they remained on the eye when it started closing but Madara's eyelids covered them up so we don't see them in the picture but they are still there. I would think the 2nd is more logical though, as

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Danzo does not lose the tomoe before the sharingan closes.

Now, some people said that Madara's using Zetsu's body or something else connected to Zetsu can explain his black left side. I, however believe that it is a mere shadow, if you would look at this

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, you can see clearly there is a shadow on the left side of Madara's forehead. Even though some of his mask is blown off, his nose is not and it is the cause for the much darker shadow on the left side of his face.

As for the 6 paths dilemma the 4th and 5th paths should be Naruto and Sasuke, the sixth probably is Itachi for two reasons:
1)A part of his power is in Naruto
2)His MS and another part of his power along with it is in Sasuke
So I think that Madara now has 3 paths and Sasuke and Naruto 1 and a half paths.

By the way, the new drawing of the ten-tails

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looks like the Gedo Mazo taken from Sarito's signature(which is directly from the anime I think, sorry but Naruto wikia's Image didn't have everything I needed to prove my point) :

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Does anyone remember a few months ago, maybe more someone started a small debate that the Gedo Mazo is actually the body of the ten tails? The manga panel showed the ten tails having something on its back similar to what Gedo Mazo has which can also be seen in the folowing picture:

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That and the fact that a ninja of Hanzo's caliber (the leaf and rain troops with him too) had absolutely NO clue what Gedo Mazo is could actually mean that is the body of the ten tails and that it can be summoned from the moon.

Also, I have been thinking why does it look like the So6P only used Izanagi after he became the juubi host (not saying this is indeed a fact, more like a guess)
I'm looking forward to seeing some constructive criticism to my post (only constructive xd)

It makes sense that gedo mazo is in fact a summon of the ten tails body. What else could be compatible with he bijuus power? Only two things are known to have contained it: humans (like the SO6P and all the jinchuriki) and the body of the ten tails. So, the "statue" is more problably the body of the ten tails beast. His eye behind the bandage, then it is shown having 9 eyes when they are sealing bijuu in it. Yes, I do believe that you're right.

 

[mightyM]

the six paths are

1 1 hokage
2 madara
3 nagato
4 sasuke
5 naruto
6 ten tailed jubi

madara confirmd that he and the first hokage where a path he also said that nagato was the tird path. and he is really pussing that naruto and sasuke are going to fight so that's why i think that they are 4 and 5. and he really want's the ten tailed beast so that is why i putting the ten tailed beast on six

 

[Narutofan010]

Since Konan is probably dead now, Madara could take control of the hidden rain and have ninja to use at his disposal. He also has the dead akatsuki members who can fight tons of people each. Then he has sasuke, zetsu, and kabuto. Also, since kisame is dead he can now be resurrected with edo tensei, adding to that lineup.

 

[kamster33]

In the manga chapter 510, what does Madara refer to when he says, "You will be dead when my illusion is over." ? What illusion?

 

[hexsus]

In the manga chapter 510, what does Madara refer to when he says, "You will be dead when my illusion is over." ? What illusion?

I think he was talking about Izanagi illusion. I mean that starting from the moment he escaped from Konan's trap he was under effect of Izanagi.

 

[Floydical]

Hi Guys
This is my first ever post
Right this is my theory, If Madara has both the Senju and Uchiha power, could it be that he is in the First Hokages Body? and Kabuto has his real body in the Coffin thing?
This would then give him both.
The reason i thought this was the lines under his eyes are very close to the first hokages on Page 12 of 510

It is certain he is not in the 1st's body. We know he was defeated that day (or let himself seem like he got defeated), and the first survived. We also know the first has been brought back by the resurrection technique before, which may mean the real body cannot be in use.

I always thought the images of Madara when he was young provide strong proof that Tobi is not only madara in mind, but also in body, since he always had one distinct line under each of his eyes. Now he just has more lines, signifying age. I am still debating myself whether his current body is his original or someone else's.

 

[burshead4u]

guys hi this is my first post in a forum like this but ive been the story forever

I have a theory let me know what you guys think

so madara has snenju powers which he needed to pull off the izanagi so in order to get closer to the power of the sage of the six paths one would the traits of the two decendant brothers combined

naruto has senju blood already but no uchiha but remember this the sharingan is closley related to the beakugan and who loves naruto more than life itself

do you guys think thats naruto's line to even more power

 

[Inception]

is it just me or people simply dont understand this manga. i think the only reason why madara said nagato was the third so6p is because someone else we dont know about, had the rinnegan before nagato.
and sasuke cannot be one of the so6p

Madara said the 1st hokage and himself were 2 paths in one "now". Now being after he gained Hashirama's powers. That can only mean that both Madara and the Hashirama were 2 paths later combined. He later says Nagato was the third SO6P and collects his Rinnegan. Seems to me like he's putting a puzzle together; Uchiha's powers, Senju's powers, Rinnegan (Uzumaki's powers?). And you also have to remember, the Sage of Six Paths wasn't a path himself, he was the Sage and he had access to the 6 paths. The keywords here are "of" and "path".

Those 6 Paths can refer to something common as him being able to control different nature types;

* Fire
* Wind
* Lightning
* Earth
* Water
* Yin and yang

Below is the picture of the Sage of Six Paths.

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Just some observation. The SO6P is wearing the same necklace around his neck as Pain's God Realm. If you are to look at Japanese lore, this is the legendary necklace called Yasakani Jewel and it has close relations to Yata's Mirror and Kusanagi Sword.

"In Japanese mythology, the jewels, along with the mirror, were hung on the tree outside of Amaterasu's cave (where she had hidden) to lure her out." - Wiki.

I looked into Izanagi. Although Izanagi was the creator, he was not alone. He created the world with Izanami. Izanami is the Goddess of creation and death. They also symbolise the interconnectedness of life and death and sometimes are referred to the Yin and Yang.

And danivass theory looks pretty solid. Gedo Mazo does in fact look a lot like the body of the ten-tails, only it's not complete (the powers of all the tailed beasts). That could explain why it has no tails when summoned or why it's bound to the ground.

 

[ChaosGrin]

So where can i read about that history?

The 6 paths are blood traits
uzumaki: Rinnegan (ARE a blood trait that allows for Rinnegan, we never learn what is mothers blood trait was called)

Uchiha:Sharingan (He has that so he may not need Sasuke)

Senju: Wood Release
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maybe but not likely Hyuuga: Byakugan

Hyouton Haku: way at the beginning

AND Sarutobi/Namikaze...

Minato Namikaze (naruto's father) may of gotten a blood trait from his mother-whom ever she is- and passed it on to naruto with the seal (unknowingly) which would anwser why naruto look so much like the sage of the 6 paths when he use the 9 tails chakra.

I do not think Sasuke has a second blood trait or his brother would of had it too, which mean Madara would have it already. Sasuke maybe able to take traits from madara ( more then likely at the end Sasuke gives his life up for naruto to win, which would mean naruto saved him).

i dont know whom the other 3 paths are but i feel like we met at less one of them already.

 

[Scorps]

Madara said the 1st hokage and himself were 2 paths in one "now". Now being after he gained Hashirama's powers. That can only mean that both Madara and the Hashirama were 2 paths later combined. He later says Nagato was the third SO6P and collects his Rinnegan. Seems to me like he's putting a puzzle together; Uchiha's powers, Senju's powers, Rinnegan (Uzumaki's powers?). And you also have to remember, the Sage of Six Paths wasn't a path himself, he was the Sage and he had access to the 6 paths. The keywords here are "of" and "path".

Those 6 Paths can refer to something common as him being able to control different nature types;

* Fire
* Wind
* Lightning
* Earth
* Water
* Yin and yang

Below is the picture of the Sage of Six Paths.

You must be registered for see images

Just some observation. The SO6P is wearing the same necklace around his neck as Pain's God Realm. If you are to look at Japanese lore, this is the legendary necklace called Yasakani Jewel and it has close relations to Yata's Mirror and Kusanagi Sword.

"In Japanese mythology, the jewels, along with the mirror, were hung on the tree outside of Amaterasu's cave (where she had hidden) to lure her out." - Wiki.

I looked into Izanagi. Although Izanagi was the creator, he was not alone. He created the world with Izanami. Izanami is the Goddess of creation and death. They also symbolise the interconnectedness of life and death and sometimes are referred to the Yin and Yang.

And danivass theory looks pretty solid. Gedo Mazo does in fact look a lot like the body of the ten-tails, only it's not complete (the powers of all the tailed beasts). That could explain why it has no tails when summoned or why it's bound to the ground.

The neclace is not the same as the Deva Path...It's the same that naruto has after acessing the fox power... the Paths mean more than the elements. They are steps that one must accomplish to fully become one with god. Or, in a more pratical sense, the steps/things that one must posess to become god himself.

I think he was talking about Izanagi illusion. I mean that starting from the moment he escaped from Konan's trap he was under effect of Izanagi.

The ilusion was a genjutsu that madara placed on konan so that he could make her tell him were nagato was hidden. Izanagi wore off right after his eye closed...

the six paths are

1 1 hokage
2 madara
3 nagato
4 sasuke
5 naruto
6 ten tailed jubi

madara confirmd that he and the first hokage where a path he also said that nagato was the tird path. and he is really pussing that naruto and sasuke are going to fight so that's why i think that they are 4 and 5. and he really want's the ten tailed beast so that is why i putting the ten tailed beast on six

Yes, I have the same opinion!

 

[Floydical]

Its a wild guess but maybe madara is nagato's father and his mother is an uzumaki. since uzumaki clan has vanished nagato has been adopted by his parents which has been killed by konoha ninjas.
And do not forget that madara told konan that he has given nagato rinnegan. So maybe when uchiha and uzumaki get together than you get rinnegan.

Tell me what you think ??

An interesting theory

 

[~Falcon~]

Best chapter i read up until now...................Specially Madara explaining all about Yin-Yang n his aim of Fight with the First Hokage..........but still hiding his face....
He lost his one eye now i guess he will be waiting for sasuke and then make his move and try to take away sasuke's eye......As for konan Saying frankly i underestimated her but she was totally badass and almost brought Madra almost to his knees but i think next chapter she is dead ........

 

[JMAN]

I think when madara says that nagato is the third something , he means he was the 3rd ninja with the rinnengan