[Predictions] Naruto Manga 503 Discussion and 504 Predictions

[Itachi Sama]

This shows a weakness on Pain's side as a ninja. More logical action would be catching naruto first, then destroying the village (if he wanted so bad). After all, his main purpose was catching naruto. He obviously underestimated naruto because he wasn't cautious and took unnecessary arrogant actions.

He couldn't use god's path in the beginning yes, but naruto could use 9tails chakra (to a point) from the beginning as well.

Catching Naruto first was what he tried to do since the beginning, however he had to use violence when people weren't telling him where Naruto was.

I think we'll finally see Sasuke's eyes on manga 505. Also, I am surprised to see the top jounin(moderators) of Naruto Base join the debate...=)

 

[rasenchidori]

I thought when shinobi die thier bodies are destroyed so the enemy can't get any info or jutsu or whatever from them? So if that's the case then....where's the other half?
Maybe Itachi had it and that was his gift to Naruto? The 9 tail was Itachi's responsibility.

IF you payed attention then you wouldn't say this. Minato split the ying and yang chakra and the ying chakra is sealed in teh death god forever.

 

[Hungry Demon Path]

Wow.. lol minato is very strong... though I can't believe Madara was such a wuss and ported out of there like that. Very emotional, and again wow. But it seems Kushina helped Minato in the end. 5/5

 

[Hungry Demon Path]

No no and NO. Madara could not have planned this for multiple reasons.

1.) Nagato was with Jiraiya, so Madara doesn't know of the existence of the Jyubi YET!
2.) Madara's plan is only to destroy Konoha at the moment, the Moon's eye plan has not been created YET! Kyubi is the strongest, why not use it?
3.) Madara had the Kyubi under his control and that took alot of effort to KEEP it under control, so he had limited power to fight Minato.
4.) Madara did not know YET the basis for Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique. He did not know that Minato teleports to the seals which he finally noticed the seal on the kunai when Minato used the Rasengan. At the time, Minato quickly placed the seal on Madara, and Madara and know idea where it was placed so now he was at a disadvantage and he lost the fox.

Madara is smart after all. Giving up isn't bad when your in a battle you cannot win. He underestimated Minato, that is what Kishi is showing us. All of you Madara lovers are just to busy sucking Madara's d!ck to realise.

Not necessarily, you can read part of it without the Rinnegan, with the MS you should be able to read a good chunk of it, the Rinnegan allows for it to be completely read.
Maybe it was his plan? He killed a lot of shinobi, the 4th and his wife. Considering the 4th's potential it would be perfect to let him sacrifice himself. Madara already said he'd return, Minato agreed to that. He did underestimate Minato a little but he also didn't realized that one of Minato's seals was on him. That means Minato ported his rasengan literally instantly onto Madara, it was basically unavoidable. He knew the basics really, he used FTG to get Minato away from Kushina remember? Great chapter though.

 

[Hungry Demon Path]

if you guys remember the battle between ORO and the third, sarutobi did not let ORO to open the last casket which we all know that its the 4th, simply because of this flashback, the third knows what minato is capable of doing and i know all of you guys know it (well at least now). hehehe 4th is the strongest for me..

That's impossible, once your apart of the death reaper seal your soul is consumed by it forever. We never will know for sure, but yes they all thought it was the 4th and maybe Kishi messed up the end result of detah reaper seal.

 

[gamahiro]

IF you payed attention then you wouldn't say this. Minato split the ying and yang chakra and the ying chakra is sealed in teh death god forever.

I don't pay attention. That's why I began the question with, "I thought." I'm just a Naruto freak. I'd be a Naruto Superfreak if I actually paid attention.

 

[Scorps]

No no and NO. Madara could not have planned this for multiple reasons.

1.) Nagato was with Jiraiya, so Madara doesn't know of the existence of the Jyubi YET!
2.) Madara's plan is only to destroy Konoha at the moment, the Moon's eye plan has not been created YET! Kyubi is the strongest, why not use it?
3.) Madara had the Kyubi under his control and that took alot of effort to KEEP it under control, so he had limited power to fight Minato.
4.) Madara did not know YET the basis for Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique. He did not know that Minato teleports to the seals which he finally noticed the seal on the kunai when Minato used the Rasengan. At the time, Minato quickly placed the seal on Madara, and Madara and know idea where it was placed so now he was at a disadvantage and he lost the fox.

Madara is smart after all. Giving up isn't bad when your in a battle you cannot win. He underestimated Minato, that is what Kishi is showing us. All of you Madara lovers are just to busy sucking Madara's d!ck to realise.

I'm not a Madara fan and all that have read my posts know that. And that whole sucking part...are you serious?! I'm only expressing an opinion!!!! Please, don't use that type of cheap language... I'm not a Madara lover or fan. I'm not a minato fan. I'm a NARUTO MANGA fan! Simple. And I don't need someone that doesn't even know what they're saying to come here and offend me like this. Tired of these fanboys that don't see pass their own feet. God...Such a load of @???????]≠]≠]?"#$!$%!!!!

 

[mics]

What I think in my opinion is that the word AKATSUKI is used as a term for those ninjas who become mercenaries. That is why tsuchikage mentioned about it on the past wars. During Madara's quest in his life maybe he got an idea of using these mercenary ninjas for his own goal and maybe that time he discovered the origins of the tailed beast and gained interest on collecting them.

 

[maldoror]

Catching Naruto first was what he tried to do since the beginning, however he had to use violence when people weren't telling him where Naruto was.

He destroyed the village after learning where naruto was. so it was just an action of taste.

 

[gamahiro]

I hope we get to find out who raised Naruto soon.

 

[yondaimeminato]

Well, that depends on your definition of "high speed." I would say that Naruto and Pain's battle remained well up in speed until Naruto won. But just because a battle is set where both opponents have extraordinary speed does not mean it should end quickly. Even for Minato and Madara, their fight was just a little too short, if you ask me.

how many pains did naruto had to kill in the first place?

After the rasengan connected on madara, the fight was pretty much decided. It's too bad that madara got hit by rasengan in such a short time but there wasn't much time for madara to think of replacement or making his body transparent again. Minato knew exactly what madara was trying to do. He knew that madara would solidify himself to do something to him by just touching him. So he used that against madara. Once madara had enough confidence that he had touch minato, minato disappear and hit him with a rasengan in less than a sec from madara's blind side.

 

[gamahiro]

The only one that will ever be more bada$$ than the 4th is the 6th.

 

[yondaimeminato]

I'm not a Madara fan and all that have read my posts know that. And that whole sucking part...are you serious?! I'm only expressing an opinion!!!! Please, don't use that type of cheap language... I'm not a Madara lover or fan. I'm not a minato fan. I'm a NARUTO MANGA fan! Simple. And I don't need someone that doesn't even know what they're saying to come here and offend me like this. Tired of these fanboys that don't see pass their own feet. God...Such a load of @???????]≠]≠]?"#$!$%!!!!

it is just very very hard for it to be possible with all the things that has happened during those 16 long years. They would all have to connect. We don't even know at what point madara was able to know about the ten tail demon but we know that it had to be when madara got hold of the rinnegan eye so that he can uncover the last secrets of the tablet and also about the ten tail demon.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Alright dude I know its just your theory but just think carefully and then you will understand that this theory will never work. Why on earth Madara will attack with the intention just to change the Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi. Madara's plan was to attack and destroy Konoha, when Minato tried to stop the Kyuubi Madara interfered and had a fight with the Fourth and Minato was not only able to defeat him but also free the Kyuubi from Madara's control. Madara knew that he lost his chance and he went back he retreated. Minato then realized that such powerful ninja will obviously come back to destroy Konoha again. So the best thing to save the village and also the entire world from Madara he chose to seal the Kyuubi inside Naruto. And there is no info that Madara had created Akatsuki before this incident. Isn't it obvious after this he wanted revenge so badly that he joined Itachi in the Uchiha massacre then he created Akatsuki to again continue his plan of world and most probably after being defeated by Minato Madara changed his plan of just using the Kyuubi. But to revive the Juubi and becoming its Jinchuuriki and thus being the most powerful ninja. Dude I have to say you just tend to give Madara too much credit I know it was just your theory but if this is the case Madara doing it on purpose doesn't really make any sense at all

idk madara is weird he always twists the plot no one ever really know what he is really after thats
why he is awesome ( in my opinion)
and dont u think it would be easier to take it from an orphan than the wife of a hokage + the wife (kushina) i somehow doubt madara was only going after destroying konoha he probably had a back up plan. but then again i personally like madara better than minato (i know DUN DUN DUN NOW ALL MINATO FANS ARE GONNA FLAME ME LOL) anyways so i might be wrong and looking at it the best way for madara to not look like a loser
im sure someone minato/kushina/madara/Random person will shed light on this later right know lets focus on minato being epic (never said i didnt like minato i just like Madara BETTER/More)

 

[Itachi Sama]

He destroyed the village after learning where naruto was. so it was just an action of taste.

Even though he destroyed Konoha after he learned where Naruto was his original intent was not do so beforehand, but to find Naruto. It's the manga.

 

[minatoisagod]

These are my exact thoughts too. Yet for some reason went I want to raise them everybody tells me I just cannot accept the fact Madara got defeated. Perhaps, but this was so unlike Kishimoto, if you ask me; he makes every battle long and exciting, and quite frankly my expectations for this one weren't even close to being met. If Minato would have won, it doesn't matter, but to do it against Madara so effortlessly - that's just reducing Madara's worth as a character. Yes, Minato is powerful, with a high level of intelligence, with a good number of techniques, but people conveniently forget Madara is too. Is it that shocking for all Minato fans that Madara might have planned this? To be able to get the Nine-Tailed Fox with no real obstacle blocking his way (sans Naruto of course).

Let's examine the length of recent battles that Kishimoto has given for us. Take Naruto and Pain, for example. It was twelve chapters.

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Next, Sasuke and Itachi. Ten chapters of clashing.

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When you look at Minato and Madara's fight, it was not even seventeen pages, which is the length of one Naruto manga chapter. And this was one of the battles that many have been waiting for. Of course, it's Kishimoto's story, and he decides the direction where it goes, but I'm sure that many other readers expected the fight to be a little longer. But if Minato defeated Madara, then so be it.

I get what you guys are saying but its not that he was weak but he lost the battle after the fox left his control whats the sense in staying to fight a powerful ninja and waste chakra and have your identity relieved. He did not lose purposely he just lost tactically and then got injured and left to fight for another day. So no plot twist there

 

[kydo]

as ive said b4, Minato is the strongest Hokage cuz there is no good counter for insane speed, especialy since Minato takes it up a huge Notch. And dont forget he had to have obviously been a beast without Flying Thunder God Technique as well otherwise he wouldnt have received the title of Hokage. Wow all you "read" was, "where is the 4th", "where is the 4th", the old 3rd was almost useless against the fox. Minato should have let The 3rd kno of the situation and ask him to use the seal on his old self instead, still sealing apart Kushina's chakra in Naruto. Minato did in a few minutes (if it took that long), what the First failed to do in many encounters. So wat if Madara is weaker now. Weaker dosent neccesarily mean slower, so he "most likely", would have still been hit by that rasengan. And are u ppl that narrow minded? If 2 ppl who specialise in instant kills are fighting, obviously the fight is gonna end quickly once 1 catches the other. Its not like they are gonna try the instant kill, then when it fails say,"oh well, i have to use normal common techniques now since my speed isnt working". They would keep trying, and once they hit its over otherwise the other person wouldnt be wary of them in the first place. Madara attacked with his special instant kill and failed, then Minato attacked with his and won in the end. I was expecting the fight to be longer as well, but it was logical the way Kishi did it, + it was epic, so its all good. And wth, the ninetails was a summoning, it didnt hinder Madara in anyway during the fight. If they were that connected he wouldnt have left its side. Another thing is that, i dont think Kishi realy was focusing on the "fight" between Madara and Minato, altho the fans wanted to see it. He probly wants to save the juicy Madara skills and moves (posibly epicness), for the fight between Madra and a main character (Naruto or Sasuke). I think he just realy wanted to give us a look at how great the chracter he envisioned, the 4th Hokage was. Between taking on the Fox like just another routine mission ("not on my watch" : epic quote from Minato), owning the fox in the process and also owning the great Madara. I think Kishi jus wanted us to see how great the 4th was. :hypertobi:

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

First of all, Jiraiya wasn't with Nagato when the Nine-Tailed Fox attacked. Jiraiya met the Amegakure orphans years before he became Minato's teacher. Your timeline is completely wrong. Akatsuki was already created before Madara unleashed the Nine-Tailed Fox on Konoha. So he most likely already knew about the Jubi. When Madara told Minato "the fox, and this whole world will bow to my will," he was probably already referring to his Moon's Eye Plan.

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Kishimoto has always been one for twists in the manga, so I think this matter can be completely resolved by the next chapters. We're about 90% of the way there; but remember, you don't have to insult others to get your point across. People take you less seriously like that, because it shows you're overreacting to something that you can peacefully discuss. Don't get too emotional - all we're doing is talking; I admit I was proven wrong by the manga, but that still leaves room to theorize, doesn't it?

Dude no one knows when Akatsuki was formed it is not stated in the manga, Itachi told that Madara created Akatsuki and hided in its shadows before he talked about the Kyuubi incident true but does that prove anything. Madara at that time was completely alone so its simple at that time Akatsuki wasn't formed. Isn't it simple just to use some common sense. And even if Madara had created Akatsuki what's the difference you mean to say that Madara only wanted to destroy the Uchiha and not the entire Konoha???? Madara wanted to destroy both the Senju and the Uchiha and at once but he was defeated by Minato, the most likely reason Madara withdrew was because Minato was able to free the Kyuubi from his control that's why Madara knew that his plan had failed. Madara is also a human as shown in the manga just like all the other characters so he can make fail. Your view seems to show that Madara cannot fail.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

idk madara is weird he always twists the plot no one ever really know what he is really after thats
why he is awesome ( in my opinion)
and dont u think it would be easier to take it from an orphan than the wife of a hokage + the wife (kushina) i somehow doubt madara was only going after destroying konoha he probably had a back up plan. but then again i personally like madara better than minato (i know DUN DUN DUN NOW ALL MINATO FANS ARE GONNA FLAME ME LOL) anyways so i might be wrong and looking at it the best way for madara to not look like a loser
im sure someone minato/kushina/madara/Random person will shed light on this later right know lets focus on minato being epic (never said i didnt like minato i just like Madara BETTER/More)

Okay just think how one earth would Madara know that the Kyuubi will be sealed in Naruto??????????? it was just a last minute decision made by Minato............. and also why on earth would he let go of the Kyuubi intentionally after getting hold of it. Just think

 

[danivass]

If Madara is so great why didn't he summon the fox in the other hidden villages, which would probably start a war against Konoha because they thought the nine-tails was in konoha's hands and bam Konoha is destroyed, everyone is dead, Madara is happy