Naruto lost his resistance to genjutsu.

[LeSauce]

You are forgetting that both Naruto and Hinata were the only two people in the genjutsu that actually had their minds connected to view each other's memories. Not to mention the fact that Kurama has to actually be aware that Naruto was in the Genjutsu in the first place, and for all we know he could have been seeing the memories and probably shrugged it off. Even that is an assumption because Kurama himself did not even TRY to break him out, Sakura did.

Bijuus are instantly aware, as seen with Bee. What does them having connected memories matter? Hinata was still awoken by Sakura.

Yes, because Kurama is going to leave Naruto there when he's on a mission to save someone,

There is no speculation here. Sakura breaks out first and then Shikamaru says that without her they wouldn't have gotten out.

Also, this has nothing to do with Nardo v Sauce.

Yeah, if only he could break out of genjutsu without having Kurama.

Kurama isn't going to help anymore it seems.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Naruto never was resistant to genjutsu, he had immunity.

He had neither.

People use the perfect jin argument without understanding it fully. Being a perfect jin doesn't make you immune or resistant to genjutsu, you still can be placed under genjutsu the bijuu just has the option of breaking you out. Killer Bee the original perfect jin was placed under genjutsu via a 3 tomoe genjutsu from Sasuke which hachibi quickly freed him of albeit seconds but if that was a genjutsu that damages the psyche unlike paralysis genjutsu he used then killer bee would have been hospitalized with just those seconds like kakashi was.

 

[~Ethereal~]

he still has 8 more bijuu so there you go Lol

LOL! :leaf:

 

[Narutohokage324]

Rinnegan Sasuke Genjutsu prowess far exceeds Itachi's though.if this thread is alive by the time I get on my OC I will counter the other points

Yeah? Naruto far exceeds anyone with his mastery of the Tailed Beast, and his Rikudou power up too. The point in trying to state who can break out or cast a stronger Genjutsu is pretty much up to speculation when both of those characters are too enhanced.

All I stated was that for Sasuke to be great in Genjutsu, he needed Rikudou. We know that Naruto was never placed into a Genjutus (in the manga) during his RSM time period. So it is pretty much assumptions to go around.

Bijuus are instantly aware, as seen with Bee. What does them having connected memories matter? Hinata was still awoken by Sakura.

Yes, because Kurama is going to leave Naruto there when he's on a mission to save someone,

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Was this some sort of rebuttal? Bijuu's are instantly aware their host is under a Genjutsu when the Genjutsu is programming them to believe they are in a dream world, aka sleeping? Both Hinata and Naruto were placed in the same Genjutsu as everyone else, but they connected their minds together. So your baseless assumptions can go elsewhere when you forgot the most important aspect of this genjutsu was that it connected two characters and their minds, forcing both of them to relive the past in an assortment of personal memories.

 

[take it easy]

He had neither.

People use the perfect jin argument without understanding it fully. Being a perfect jin doesn't make you immune or resistant to genjutsu, you still can be placed under genjutsu the bijuu just has the option of breaking you out. Killer Bee the original perfect jin was placed under genjutsu via a 3 tomoe genjutsu from Sasuke which hachibi quickly freed him of albeit seconds but if that was a genjutsu that damages the psyche unlike paralysis genjutsu he used then killer bee would have been hospitalized with just those seconds like kakashi was.

Firstly, Sasuke used MS genjutsu on Bee

Secondly, I meant Naruto's perfect chakra control under immunity

 

[Da Best Ever]

Yeah? Naruto far exceeds anyone with his mastery of the Tailed Beast, and his Rikudou power up too. The point in trying to state who can break out or cast a stronger Genjutsu is pretty much up to speculation when both of those characters are too enhanced.

All I stated was that for Sasuke to be great in Genjutsu, he needed Rikudou. We know that Naruto was never placed into a Genjutus (in the manga) during his RSM time period. So it is pretty much assumptions to go around.


Was this some sort of rebuttal? Bijuu's are instantly aware their host is under a Genjutsu when the Genjutsu is programming them to believe they are in a dream world, aka sleeping? Both Hinata and Naruto were placed in the same Genjutsu as everyone else, but they connected their minds together. So your baseless assumptions can go elsewhere when you forgot the most important aspect of this genjutsu was that it connected two characters and their minds, forcing both of them to relive the past in an assortment of personal memories.

Fail because Sasuke placed bee a original perfect jin under genjutsu and the hachibi didn't instantly free him as seen how bee went limp and crashed to the ground.

Also rsm naruto wasn't placed under genjutsu because Sasuke saved him from IT genjutsu via his susano.

 

[SayWhat21]

you do know it was plot so naruto could see hinata's memories/feelings

 

[Narutohokage324]

Fail because Sasuke placed bee a original perfect jin under genjutsu and the hachibi didn't instantly free him as seen how bee went limp and crashed to the ground.

Also rsm naruto wasn't placed under genjutsu because Sasuke saved him from IT genjutsu via his susano.

Everyone knows that Perfect Jinchuriki do not have resistance to Genjutsu, but they possess the skill to break out of via chakra disruption.

I said GENJUTSU in the form of actually being a Genjutsu one could break out of. Did you really just use the IT as an example?

 

[Da Best Ever]

Firstly, Sasuke used MS genjutsu on Bee

Secondly, I meant Naruto's perfect chakra control under immunity

Having perfect chakra control means nothing. High level genjutsu still trumps.

Sakura can't resist Tsukoyami KA or obito controlling genjutsu or his killing genjutsu let alone rinne genjutsu which already solod her. That weak mirage genjutsu toneri set was nothing to visual genjutsu via ocular powers.

The only thing that saves naruto is kurama not perfect chakra control.

 

[Dantee]

Question is did he ever have one?

 

[DHOH]

you do know it was plot so naruto could see hinata's memories/feelings

Everything is plot pertaining to Naruto.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Everything is plot pertaining to Naruto.

Plot rules the world ~

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Kishi didn't want the audience to know about the 9 bijuu living in Naruto. Same reason they prevented him from using RSM

 

[LeSauce]

Yeah? Naruto far exceeds anyone with his mastery of the Tailed Beast, and his Rikudou power up too. The point in trying to state who can break out or cast a stronger Genjutsu is pretty much up to speculation when both of those characters are too enhanced.

All I stated was that for Sasuke to be great in Genjutsu, he needed Rikudou. We know that Naruto was never placed into a Genjutus (in the manga) during his RSM time period. So it is pretty much assumptions to go around.


Was this some sort of rebuttal? Bijuu's are instantly aware their host is under a Genjutsu when the Genjutsu is programming them to believe they are in a dream world, aka sleeping? Both Hinata and Naruto were placed in the same Genjutsu as everyone else, but they connected their minds together. So your baseless assumptions can go elsewhere when you forgot the most important aspect of this genjutsu was that it connected two characters and their minds, forcing both of them to relive the past in an assortment of personal memories.

You're the one assuming things. Now you're trying to make it seem as if Bijuus can only see through some types of genjutsu when that was never even shown.

All i'm saying is that for some reason Kurama can't break Naruto out of genjutsu anymore.

Question is did he ever have one?

Kurama is supposed to be his instant resistance, but he doesn't seem to be able to break Naruto out anymore.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Everyone knows that Perfect Jinchuriki do not have resistance to Genjutsu, but they possess the skill to break out of via chakra disruption.

I said GENJUTSU in the form of actually being a Genjutsu one could break out of. Did you really just use the IT as an example?

IT is an genjutsu it is a constant use of Tsukoyami hence the name infinite Tsukoyami. Anyway that was the only genjutsu attempt on rsm naruto and Sasuke can break himself out of it or avoid it entirely and protect others from it as he did. No other genjutsu was attempted on rsm naruto. It's a manga fact madara never really uses genjutsu to mind **** Ay is the only one he mind ****ed and obito never attended to on naruto and Sasuke probably wanted a fair fight with naruto because clearly the kyuubi went to sleep and instead of using genjutsu Sasuke used a enton chidori.

Kishi didn't allow any juubi jins to use genjutsu because visual genjutsu has a very high winning ratio at a fast rate. Kishi wanted battles to be more even in that sense because it is already proven via Sasuke vs killer bee that perfect jins can be affected but why would kishi risk the main losing to a genjutsu + chidori blitz

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Having perfect chakra control means nothing. High level genjutsu still trumps.

Sakura can't resist Tsukoyami KA or obito controlling genjutsu or his killing genjutsu let alone rinne genjutsu which already solod her. That weak mirage genjutsu toneri set was nothing to visual genjutsu via ocular powers.

The only thing that saves naruto is kurama not perfect chakra control.

Naruto will never be able to resist falling under genjutsu. But as a perfect jin he can get himself out of any genjutsu he wants.

 

[Narutohokage324]

All i'm saying is that for some reason Kurama can't break Naruto out of genjutsu anymore.
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Did I say that? I guess you did not get the part of the sentence in which I was mocking you. Though feel free to ignore the other half of my post which you completely forgotten. I said that, Kurama did not telepathically communicate with Naruto did he? Did Naruto try to break out of the Genjutsu? Was Kurama even shown during the movie until the end?

How about you answer these as-well.
The Genjutsu affected one mind at a time, which is presumably how Sakura could escape the Genjutsu with her talent for it, correct? Then how do you know that the Genjutsu did not voluntarily change when both Naruto and Hinata's mind connected? You saw that right? Or are you going to ignore and assume based off of one scene which held no actually merit for a fact seeing how it was intended for the movie plot. Yet, again, your facts are were from exactly?

IT

Not reading your post, at all.

Perfect Jinchuriki can break out of any Genjutsu that are not: Tsukuyomi, and Infinite Tsukuyomi. The genjutsu in the movie is pretty much baseless considering that Naruto never tried to break out, nor did Kurama. Anyone who honestly uses that to justify something that is not there just proves my point in which comes down to the final result. Pure character bashing.

 

[Transcendence]

He did not, but I'll just let you continue to make controversial threads, because this is just stupid.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Its a pity Kishi didnt have Naruto ever break a high profile genjutsu in the entire series not to mention he got wary when Edo Itachi faced him.All we got is speculation with the Perfect Jin hype

Whenever Sasuke used his MS genjutsu people fell to the floor unconscious. He used the same genjutsu on Bee yet Bee managed to get up in less than a second and mike tyson his a** There's the proof.

 

[LeSauce]

Did I say that? I guess you did not get the part of the sentence in which I was mocking you. Though feel free to ignore the other half of my post which you completely forgotten. I said that, Kurama did telepathically communicate with Naruto did he? Did Naruto try to break out of the Genjutsu? Was Kurama even shown during the movie until the end?

How about you answer these as-well.
The Genjutsu affected one mind at a time, which is presumably how Sakura could escape the Genjutsu with her talent for it, correct? Then how do you know that the Genjutsu did not voluntarily change when both Naruto and Hinata's mind connected? You saw that right? Or are you going to ignore and assume based off of one scene which held no actually merit for a fact seeing how it was intended for the movie plot. Yet, again, your facts are were from exactly?


Not reading your post, at all.

Perfect Jinchuriki can break out of any Genjutsu that are not: Tsukuyomi, and Infinite Tsukuyomi. The genjutsu in the movie is pretty much baseless considering that Naruto never tried to break out, nor did Kurama. Anyone who honestly uses that to justify something that is not there just proves my point in which comes down to the final result. Pure character bashing.

Them having their minds connected doesn't matter. Sakura broke Hinata out the same way Kurama would have broken Naruto out.

Believe what you want. You're not going to change your mind.