Naruto lost his resistance to genjutsu.

[LeSauce]

Smh go to one second after that and Hinata says "No my field of vision is distorted"

pulled or twisted out of shape; contorted.
2.
giving a misleading or false account or impression; misrepresented.

Anyway, where are you watching the movie from? It seems clear


It makes sense because you honestly believe a plot educed genjutsu will work on Naruto. You fail to realize that he had to stay in that Genjutsu in the first place


Wrong, already proved that above.


Wrong. He stated that after it happened.



This is the same guy who thought Naruto's sensing capabilities unlocked when Sasuke sent a fireball at him :|

Transcendence you should not waste so much time on him.

He was right though, she couldn't make use of her Byakugan. He might have been wrong as to why, since he thought it wouldn't turn on i'm guessing, buthe was still right that she wouldn't be able to make use of her Byakugan.

He knew the Byakugan wasn't capable of working.

He didn't say it like he just found out. He used is to show that he already knew, otherwise he would say, "thank goodness Sakura was resistant to genjutsu" because it happened in the past tense.

He says "is" because he knows that she is.

 

[Narutohokage324]

He was right though, she couldn't make use of her Byakugan. He might have been wrong as to why, since he thought it wouldn't turn on i'm guessing, buthe was still right that she wouldn't be able to make use of her Byakugan.

Nope, he actually was wrong.

"Hinata your byakugan .... "
Hinata: "No, my vision was just distorted"

giving a misleading or false account or impression; misrepresented.

He didn't say it like he just found out. He used is to show that he already knew, otherwise he would say, "thank goodness Sakura was resistant to genjutsu" because it happened in the past tense.

I'm assuming he came to that logical conclusion before Sakura released them from the Genjutsu right?

Or does it take a rocket scientist to understand that if someone broke out of a Genjutsu that no one else was able to, that the person was more than capable of being labeled as someone who had some form of skill in the area? Tch

He says "is" because he knows that she is.

You really need to watch the scenes clearly because you seem to be narrowed minded on what is actually happening.

 

[BLAZE]

we r debating on filler movie now which was made sole reason to retcon the fact naruto loved Hinata when he didn't even notice her confession in manga :|

 

[LeSauce]

Nope, he actually was wrong.

"Hinata your byakugan .... "
Hinata: "No, my vision was just distorted"

giving a misleading or false account or impression; misrepresented.



I'm assuming he came to that logical conclusion before Sakura released them from the Genjutsu right?

Or does it take a rocket scientist to understand that if someone broke out of a Genjutsu that no one else was able to, that the person was more than capable of being labeled as someone who had some form of skill in the area? Tch


You really need to watch the scenes clearly because you seem to be narrowed minded on what is actually happening.

You used a different translation, and Shikamaru was still right about it not working. I'm not being narrow minded at all. Shikamaru talked as if he already knew about Sakura. He wasn't surprised and he didn't ask, like he did with Hinata. Not to mention that breaking out doesn't mean you're resistant to all genjutsu.

It doesn't even matter, because in the end she is resistant and she would be the only one who could break them out again.

We have Naruto failing to break out and then we have Shikamaru saying that only Sakura could break them out again. Then we have that it was because of plot, but like I said before if it was just plot there would be absolutely no reason for the writers to make Shikamaru say that they would be done for if they were caught again.

 

[Narutohokage324]

You used a different translation, and Shikamaru was still right about it not working. I'm not being narrow minded at all. Shikamaru talked as if he already knew about Sakura. He wasn't surprised and he didn't ask, like he did with Hinata. Not to mention that breaking out doesn't mean you're resistant to all genjutsu.

It doesn't even matter, because in the end she is resistant and she would be the only one who could break them out again.

We have Naruto failing to break out and then we have Shikamaru saying that only Sakura could break them out again. Then we have that it was because of plot, but like I said before if it was just plot there would be absolutely no reason for the writers to make Shikamaru say that they would be done for if they were caught again.

I used a different translation? How many times are you going to be prove wrong today, exactly?

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Are you really arguing with a plot enduced Genjutsu which served as a purpose for Naruto to understand Hinata? You still have failed to answer:

>Did Naruto try to break out of the Genjutsu
>Did Kurama try to break out of the Genjutsu
>Can you explain why Naruto/Hinata's genjutsu mixed and fused their memories together?

I'll wait. IF not, concession accepted

Funny how Shikamaru was wrong on both accounts of Hinata's byakugan. Yet your arguments stand just as invalid when you sprouted he was correct.

Such a failure LeSauce XD

 

[LeSauce]

I used a different translation? How many times are you going to be prove wrong today, exactly?

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Are you really arguing with a plot enduced Genjutsu which served as a purpose for Naruto to understand Hinata? You still have failed to answer:

>Did Naruto try to break out of the Genjutsu
>Did Kurama try to break out of the Genjutsu
>Can you explain why Naruto/Hinata's genjutsu mixed and fused their memories together?

I'll wait. IF not, concession accepted

Funny how Shikamaru was wrong on both accounts of Hinata's byakugan. Yet your arguments stand just as invalid when you sprouted he was correct.

Such a failure LeSauce XD

Wow, my bad. I thought what you posted was a literal translation.

My point still stands, Shikamaru was right about Hinata's Byakugan being useless, he was wrong about the reason why. She couldn't use it, which is right. The reason he Hinata said no was because she would still be able to acyivate her Byakugan, it would just be distorted.

It's like me saying "the truck doesn't work because the battery is dead" and then I have my friend say, "no, it doesn't work.." because of something else. My conclusion is correct because the truck doesn't work, but my premise is wrong. It's the same thing for Shikamaru, his premise, the Byakugan not working/being able to turn on, is wrong but his conclusion, Hinata not being able to use the Byakugan, is correct.

You're argument is based on it being plot.

 

[Narutohokage324]

My point still stands, Shikamaru was right about Hinata's Byakugan being useless, he was wrong about the reason why. She couldn't use it, which is right. The reason he Hinata said no was because she would still be able to acyivate her Byakugan, it would just be distorted.

No you have it all wrong. Shikamaru said the Byakugan would not work here, but Hinata confirms what he said was not true. She actually says "No, and because the place gave off the impression of a distortion. He baised a claim, and the user of the Byakugan said it was false. How hard is that to understand?

It's like me saying "the truck doesn't work because the battery is dead" and then I have my friend say, "no, it doesn't work.." because of something else. My conclusion is correct because the truck doesn't work, but my premise is wrong. It's the same thing for Shikamaru, his premise, the Byakugan not working/being able to turn on, is wrong but his conclusion, Hinata not being able to use the Byakugan, is correct.

"Your byakugan will not work here..."
"No .... my vision was distorted"

How hard is that to understand, really? Funny how you say my claims are from plot, when are basing a genjutsu from a movie that was placed, FOR plot. When you state that Kurama cannot break Naruto out of a Genjutsu, based on what? Plot.

Somehow Kurama ditched Naruto over the two year time-skip and Naruto is susceptible to genjutsu, or the fact that Naruto stayed in the Genjutsu for ...? Hmm.

 

[LeSauce]

No you have it all wrong. Shikamaru said the Byakugan would not work here, but Hinata confirms what he said was not true. She actually says "No, and because the place gave off the impression of a distortion. He baised a claim, and the user of the Byakugan said it was false. How hard is that to understand?


"Your byakugan will not work here..."
"No .... my vision was distorted"

How hard is that to understand, really? Funny how you say my claims are from plot, when are basing a genjutsu from a movie that was placed, FOR plot. When you state that Kurama cannot break Naruto out of a Genjutsu, based on what? Plot.

Somehow Kurama ditched Naruto over the two year time-skip and Naruto is susceptible to genjutsu, or the fact that Naruto stayed in the Genjutsu for ...? Hmm.

His premise was wrong. His conclusion was right. We know this because Hinata states that her Byakugan isn't going to be any help because she can't see right, but she can still If she was saying that he was arong all together then she would have said that she could still use the Byakugan to see.


What are you even saying with this quote? If you're saying that Hinata was agreeing with Shikamaru, then he was right. If you're saying she was disagreeing, then I would say the same thing as in my previous post.

I'm starting to think she was agreeing with him, not disagreeing.

It's based on Kurama not breaking him out after having plenty of time to do so, and on Shikamaru's statement of Sakura being the only one who would be able to break them out.
We have 2 things proving that he can't and you saying that he can, but plot kept him from it.

 

[Narutohokage324]

His premise was wrong. His conclusion was right. We know this because Hinata states that her Byakugan isn't going to be any help because she can't see right, but she can still If she was saying that he was arong all together then she would have said that she could still use the Byakugan to see.


What are you even saying with this quote? If you're saying that Hinata was agreeing with Shikamaru, then he was right. If you're saying she was disagreeing, then I would say the same thing as in my previous post.

I'm starting to think she was agreeing with him, not disagreeing.

It's based on Kurama not breaking him out after having plenty of time to do so, and on Shikamaru's statement of Sakura being the only one who would be able to break them out.
We have 2 things proving that he can't and you saying that he can, but plot kept him from it.

Actually, Hinata gave him the information he needed before they dipped into the water:

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Two things? Sigh, you really are clouded. Perfect Jinchuriki(s) have no weakness to Genjutsu they can break out via chakra disruption method, other than the obvious cases of Tsukuyomi and Infinite Tskukuoymi.

You honestly have no proof to claim at all. Not to mention you could not simply answer any of the questions that follow to provide a solid reasoning as to why Kurama would not break Naruto out of the Genjutsu.

Where was Kurama?
Did Kurama make communication with Naruto?
Did either of them realize it was a Genjutsu?

The questions piles up, but you do not care right? Obviously if it was shown that he did not break out if, even when he did not try to, it means he cannot do it, correct? If that logic places and merit on what you call a fact, then I am truly starting to believe that your words hold just as much truth to them as the everyday troll.

 

[iKaras]

I'm willing to bet that there's people on this base that still to this day think Naruto is immune to infinite tsukiownedme.

 

[LeSauce]

Actually, Hinata gave him the information he needed before they dipped into the water:

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Two things? Sigh, you really are clouded. Perfect Jinchuriki(s) have no weakness to Genjutsu they can break out via chakra disruption method, other than the obvious cases of Tsukuyomi and Infinite Tskukuoymi.

You honestly have no proof to claim at all. Not to mention you could not simply answer any of the questions that follow to provide a solid reasoning as to why Kurama would not break Naruto out of the Genjutsu.

Where was Kurama?
Did Kurama make communication with Naruto?
Did either of them realize it was a Genjutsu?

The questions piles up, but you do not care right? Obviously if it was shown that he did not break out if, even when he did not try to, it means he cannot do it, correct? If that logic places and merit on what you call a fact, then I am truly starting to believe that your words hold just as much truth to them as the everyday troll.

Bijuu are supposed to break out their host instantly, yet Kurama didn't do that.

Where was Kurama? Inside Naruto.
Did Kurama make communication with Naruto? Does it matter? No, he's supposed to be able to break him out as soon as Naruto is caught in a genjutsu. Naruto doesn't need to tell Kurama that he's in one.
Did either of them realize it was genjutsu? Yes, Bijuu realize it immediately and Naruto was switching from scene to scene amd having memories he never had before.

These questions don't matter. Kurama failed to break him out after having plenty of time to do so. That's what happened. You blame it things that don't even matter, or on plot.

 

[Narutohokage324]

I'm willing to bet that there's people on this base that still to this day think Naruto is immune to infinite tsukiownedme.

Those people are actually on the same level for those who believe Naruto cannot break out of Genjutsu through the chakra disruption method via kurama.

This guy actually states that he lost the ability. How do you lose that ability? When did Naruto stop being a Jinchuriki? I swear the logic coming from some of the Sasuke-base has been completely mind boggling.

Bijuu are supposed to break out their host instantly, yet Kurama didn't do that.

Instantly? You need to read the manga properly.

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Where was Kurama? Inside Naruto.

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Did Kurama make communication with Naruto? Does it matter? No, he's supposed to be able to break him out as soon as Naruto is caught in a genjutsu. Naruto doesn't need to tell Kurama that he's in one.

Read above. No, if they never made any type of communication, Studio Perriot never intended for Kurama to help him break out of the Genjutsu. You have to understand the simplistic in which Kurama did not appear until the end of the movie, meaning he had no real plot interference until he was needed to fight against the giant wood boss creature.

These questions don't matter. Kurama failed to break him out after having plenty of time to do so. That's what happened. You blame it things that don't even matter, or on plot.

Concession accepted then. A bijuu can never fail to break a Jinchuriki out of a genjutsu with the chakra disruption method. Where are the facts of that outisde of the two Genjutsu I listed that are impossible to break? When did Naruto exactly stop being a Jinchuriki where he could not be broken out of Genjutsu? I thought so. You still cannot show any proof that Kurama failed to break him out.

Funny how you stop mentioning Shikamaru's words when you noticed you were wrong. Just another thing to add to the list, eh?

 

[iKaras]

Those people are actually on the same level for those who believe Naruto cannot break out of Genjutsu through the chakra disruption method via kurama.

This guy actually states that he lost the ability. How do you lose that ability? When did Naruto stop being a Jinchuriki? I swear the logic coming from some of the Sasuke-base has been completely mind boggling.

Each fanbase has their fans that take it to the extreme. SB just happens to be at the top with IB.

 

[LeSauce]

Those people are actually on the same level for those who believe Naruto cannot break out of Genjutsu through the chakra disruption method via kurama.

This guy actually states that he lost the ability. How do you lose that ability? When did Naruto stop being a Jinchuriki? I swear the logic coming from some of the Sasuke-base has been completely mind boggling.

Instantly? You need to read the manga properly.

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Exaggerated, obviously. My point was to show that it was quick, and way quicker than the time that was given.
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Read above. No, if they never made any type of communication, Studio Perriot never intended for Kurama to help him break out of the Genjutsu. You have to understand the simplistic in which Kurama did not appear until the end of the movie, meaning he had no real plot interference until he was needed to fight against the giant wood boss creature.

So plot is your answer. It was plot that kept Kurama from doing it. Oh, no no no, It was SP and their stupidity, let's forget that this movie is just as canon as the manga and argue that what happens can't be taken as fact because i'm greater than the author, and I know more about his own work, I know what the writer was thinking and what the author wasn't thinking. Nevermind that Kurama had every ability to do so according to you, never mind that Shikamaru outright states that if it wasn't for sakura they would still be in the genjutsu, and you know what? He's right. Naruto displayed no ability to break out. You keep talking about how Kurama wasn't shown trying to break out because, yeah, Kurama is going to just let Naruto stay in the genjutsu because he doesn't feel like waking him.

Oh, Kurama didn't do it? It's plot that he didn't do it. Oh, Shikamaru, or rather the writers, say that Sakura was the most resistant. No, Shikamaru holds no value here. He's wrong because I say he's wrong. It's just his opinion and Naruto didn't dispute because it was plot.

Let's forget that there's absolutely no reason for Shikamaru to say what he said other than to tell the readers it was thanks to Sakura that they got out.

Concession accepted then. A bijuu can never fail to break a Jinchuriki out of a genjutsu with the chakra disruption method. Where are the facts of that outisde of the two Genjutsu I listed it was impossible to break out of? When did Naruto exactly stop being a Jinchuriki where he could not be broken out of Genjutsu? I thought so. You still cannot show any proof that Kurama failed to break him out.

Really? Then why did Kurama fail to break Naruto out?

Funny how you stop mentioning Shikamaru's words when you noticed you were wrong. Just another thing to add to the list, eh?

Wrong? He was never wrong. He was right about Hinata wasn't he? He was right about Sakura, right? Naruto failed to get out right? Naruto doesn't dispute him right?

Read it and tell me what other purpose Shikamaru's statement served? Let's tell the readers that without Sakura they would have stayed there. That's what they did and that alone proves that Naruto can't break out. it doesn't matter how much you don't like it because what happened is canon, and what Shikamaru said is what the writer said. Just like the Hyuga are the strongest clan alive in the leaf, Sakura is the best at resisting genjutsu. Or can we argue Hiashi's statement because plot kept the other clans from doing anything and they didn't show their true power before/when he said it?

 

[Narutohokage324]

Exaggerated, obviously. My point was to show that it was quick, and way quicker than the time that was given.

Be clearer on what you assert. No one has time to play games.

So plot is your answer. It was plot that kept Kurama from doing it. Oh, no no no, It was SP and their stupidity, let's forget that this movie is just as canon as the manga and argue that what happens can't be taken as fact because i'm greater than the author, and I know more about his own work, I know what the writer was thinking and what the author wasn't thinking. Nevermind that Kurama had every ability to do so according to you, never mind that Shikamaru outright states that if it wasn't for sakura they would still be in the genjutsu, and you know what? He's right. Naruto displayed no ability to break out. You keep talking about how Kurama wasn't shown trying to break out because, yeah, Kurama is going to just let Naruto stay in the genjutsu because he doesn't feel like waking him.

Yeah? And what exactly is your answer? To a genjutsu you never even heard before and made its appearance in a 1 hour and thirty minute movie only to play a part in the understanding of two characters who were never developed in the manga of Kishimoto to serve as a overall piecing of the puzzle. Continue to tell me how you know exactly how the Genjutsu operates, every detail, hell. I bet you do not even know the name of the Genjutsu you're trying so hard to prove it cannot be broken via Perfect Jinchuriki. How shameful it must to be to be apart of a base that you cannot contribute to the sole fact that your claims are consumed, contributed, and created by Plot itself. Hell, I bet you cannot show me one piece of evidence that claims Naruto not being able to break out of the Genjutsu, other than Sakura breaking it out for him, mind you that Naruto was actually understanding the Genjutsu itself when Hinata and himself were both relaying their past. Not one time did he struggle against it.

But who cares, right? Because of plot, right?

Oh, Kurama didn't do it? It's plot that he didn't do it. Oh, Shikamaru, or rather the writers, say that Sakura was the most resistant. No, Shikamaru holds no value here. He's wrong because I say he's wrong. It's just his opinion and Naruto didn't dispute because it was plot.

Yeah, that's exactly what happened. You still cannot show me where Shikamaru found out that Sakura who became "so resistant" to Genjutsu that she got destroyed by a simple Genjutsu in the earliest of Chapters, and then the last time she fought against a Genjutsu user it was Sasuke's Rinnegan, and even then that "resistant" came in the form of what? Plot? Rectcon. What's even funnier is that you cannot show me a single solid proof of evidence that shows that Naruto lost his ability of being a Perfect Jinchuriki. Huh?
Let's forget that there's absolutely no reason for Shikamaru to say what he said other than to tell the readers it was thanks to Sakura that they got out.

Really? Then why did Kurama fail to break Naruto out?

Where did Kurama even try to break him out?

Wrong? He was never wrong. He was right about Hinata wasn't he? He was right about Sakura, right? Naruto failed to get out right? Naruto doesn't dispute him right?

Oh? You mean he came to the conclusion that Sakura was better at breaking out of Genjutsu than everybody else when she was the one who broke them out in the first place? How ingenious of Shikamaru. Next when Shikamaru points out that the sky is blue you can wank on his intelligence some more on the subject when he had no clear indication for the events happening.

Read it and tell me what other purpose Shikamaru's statement served? Let's tell the readers that without Sakura they would have stayed there. That's what they did and that alone proves that Naruto can't break out. it doesn't matter how much you don't like it because what happened is canon, and what Shikamaru said is what the writer said. Just like the Hyuga are the strongest clan alive in the leaf, Sakura is the best at resisting genjutsu. Or can we argue Hiashi's statement because plot kept the other clans from doing anything and they didn't show their true power before/when he said it?

The purpose of Shikamaru's point was to relay information that Sakura was the one who broke the team of the Genjutsu. Have you ever thought to yourself how it would of made sense for Naruto to break himself out of the Genjutsu when he is so intrigued in the fact that he never truly noticed how much Hinata cared for him? Or the fact that Naruto was trying to understand her feelings while trying to reciprocate them with the past events when both Hinata and him interacted with each-other while placing the clues right before him. That's where Sakura came into place. That's what makes you different from someone with actual intelligence. Because they can put two to two together, in a simple sense.

 

[LeSauce]

Be clearer on what you asset. No one has time to play games.


Yeah? And what exactly is your answer? To a genjutsu you never even heard before and made its appearance in a 1 hour and thirty minute movie only to play a part in the understanding of two characters who were never developed in the manga of Kishimoto to serve as a overall piecing of the puzzle. Let continue to tell me how you know exactly how the Genjutsu operates, every detail, hell. I bet you do not even know the name of the Genjutsu you trying to hard to show that cannot be broken via Perfect Jinchuriki? How shameful it must to be to be apart of a base that you cannot contribute to the sole fact that your claims are consumed, contributed, and created by Plot itself. Hell, I bet you cannot show me one piece of evidence that claims Naruto not being able to break out of the Genjutsu, other than Sakura breaking it out for him, mind you that Naruto was actually understanding the Genjutsu itself when Hinata and himself were both relaying their past. Not one time did he struggle against it.

But who cares, right? Because of plot, right?

Now the genjutsu matters for some reason. It's breakable by normal methods, that's all we need to know. What Naruto was seeing doesn't matter when a bijuu breaks its host out without asking the him/her.

I have Kurama failing to break him out and a statement supporting him not being able to break out. What you have is denial of what happened and a want to pass it off as plot. That's not a reason as to why he couldn't do it, it's a cop out.

Yeah, that's exactly what happened. You still cannot show me where Shikamaru found out that Sakura who became "so resistant" to Genjutsu that she got destroyed by a simple Genjutsu in the earliest of Chapters, and then the last time she fought against a Genjutsu user it was Sasuke's Rinnegan, and even then that "resistant" came in the form of what? Plot? Rectcon. What's even funnier is that you cannot show me a single solid proof of evidence that shows that Naruto lost his ability of being a Perfect Jinchuriki. Huh?
Let's forget that there's absolutely no reason for Shikamaru to say what he said other than to tell the readers it was thanks to Sakura that they got out.

Tell the readers that she got them out? Did we not see her getting Naruto out? It's called increasing in skill btw.

Where did Kurama even try to break him out?

So you're saying Kurama just stood there and watched Naruto knowing he was in a genjutsu?

Oh? You mean he came to the conclusion that Sakura was better at breaking out of Genjutsu than everybody else when she was the one who broke them out in the first place? How ingenious of Shikamaru. Next when SHikamaru points out that hte sky is blue you can wank on his intelligence some more on the subject when he had no clear indication for the events happening.

So you're admitting that she's better? Seriously why even say she's better when she isn't? Are you calling Shikamaru a liar now?

The purpose of Shikamaru's point was to relay information that Sakura was the one who broke the team of the Genjutsu. Have you ever thought to yourself how it would of made sense for Naruto to break himself out of the Genjutsu when he is so intrigued in the fact that he never truly noticed how much Hinata cared for him? Or the fact that Naruto was trying to understand her feelings while trying to reciprocate them with the past events both Hinata and him interacted with each-other while placing the clues right before him. That's where Sakura came into place. That's what makes you different from someone with actual intelligence. Because they can put two to two together, in a simple sense. You know what you are.

Shikamaru's statement was clear. If it wasn't for Sakura they would still be in the genjutsu. That means that Naruto can't get out.

Naruto doesn't break himself out, Kurama breaks him out, so it wouldn't matter if he wanted to get out or not. Like I said, by your logic we can deny Hiashi's statement that they're the best clan alive in Konoha. There was never a tournament within the clan, right? How about Obito saying that the Senju and Uchiha were the strongest? We never saw them be the strongest, all we saw was them fighting each other. Neither of these were shown so that means that they're not true.

It's a fact that Kurama wouldn't have broken Naruto out because he hadn't done it already.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Now the genjutsu matters for some reason. It's breakable by normal methods, that's all we need to know. What Naruto was seeing doesn't matter when a bijuu breaks its host out without asking the him/her.

How convenient that you care nothing for a Genjutsu that made less than one minute showtime. It was breakable by Sakura, funny enough no one else was shown being able to break it. When we all they are experienced sinobi. Yet, all of have just as much experience with Genjutsu as Sakura. Do you understand how false the logic is? Or do you want me to hold your hand while I break out the simplistic?

I have Kurama failing to break him out and a statement supporting him not being able to break out. What you have is denial of what happened and a want to pass it off as plot. That's not a reason as to why he couldn't do it, it's a cop out.

Show me a scan of Kurama actually trying to break Naruto out of the Genjutsu, and show me a statement where Kurama/Naruto said that the Chakra disruption method will not work anymore because they lost that ability. Because somehow a Perfect Jinchuriki can lose that ability. All you really have is baseless excuses driven by a movie that holds merit in the form of a retcon. Even Naruto was able to remove Kurama from his body, whilst being the Jinchuriki, but let's all pretend that makes sense because who cares. Right? Right.

Tell the readers that she got them out? Did we not see her getting Naruto out? It's called increasing in skill btw.

It was to showcase who was actually pulling Naruto out of the dream, hence why Sakura told Naruto to wake up in the first place. It's called chakra disruptin btw, but you cannot show me those feats in the manga. I'll wait.

So you're saying Kurama just stood there and watched Naruto knowing he was in a genjutsu?

Did you not understand anything I have been writing for the past two hours? I said that the Genjutsu came in the form of a dream. Think back to how the Infinite Tsukuoymi plays out in the world of Naruto. This is but a simpler version of that, but instead the movie tells you that the Genjutsu comes in the form of enclosed and private dreams of the desired person. Naruto, when he was placed in the Genjutsu, connected his mind with Hinata. Ultimately it became a whole different thing altogether (show me a Genjutsu where it can link the minds of another in the manga so far), where possibly Kurama did not feel threatened to actually free Naruto because it ACTUALLY looked like a dream world. There are so many possibilities to put into play on why Kurama did break Naruto out of the Genjutsu. The biggest thing you do not have is whether or not Kurama was affected, and whether or not Kurama actually tried. I am still waiting for this credible proof you have that seems to be sensible in your mind only.

So you're admitting that she's better? Seriously why even say she's better when she isn't? Are you calling Shikamaru a liar now?

I see. You cannot read properly ... Go back a few posts where I explain on who is better at breaking out of Genjutsu by hype. "Sakura by hype". Both her and Naruto have no problem with actually breaking out of Genjutsu if you actually understand what the requirements are for it in the first place.

It's not like the only people capable of breaking Genjutsu are Sharingan users or Jinchuriki. There can be normal ninja who are adept at it.

Naruto is easily, easily, the best chakra manipulator in the manga. Illusions, in this manga, are based on the distortion of one's chakra system, Naruto, technically, should be the best ninja in the world at fixing that distortion the fastest considering his chakra control is beyond masterful, to the point of sharing a live connection with thousands of ninja over kilometers for extended periods or simply instantaneously (Alliance FTG), pouring his emotions and visual thoughts into that connection.

It's nice to have another being in your stomach to set things straight, but for a ninja of Naruto's caliber who could heal full-blown eye balls in a touch, it's kind of ridiculous to suggest chakra distortion is going to significantly fault him, the guy should theoretically instantly fix any issue with his chakra flow if he can transmit chakra into creating body parts.

If we consider his entire moveset- it's based on chakra control and manipulation. The Rasegan itself is an incredible display of this. That being said, Sakura passed out at Sasuke's glance, and her chakra control is also pretty impressive.

Shikamaru's statement was clear. If it wasn't for Sakura they would still be in the genjutsu. That means that Naruto can't get out.

You are correct. Considering that Sakura was the only one trying to break everyone out of the Genjutsu, but are you incorrect on the last part. You seem to be dodging the questions:

"Did Naruto try to break out of the Genjutsu"
"Did Kurama try ot break out of the Genjutsu via chakra disruption"

Saying that only Sakura could break out of the Genjutsu because it happened is pretty much a joke. Considering the feats in the manga, and how it operated in the scene.

Naruto doesn't break himself out, Kurama breaks him out, so it wouldn't matter if he wanted to get out or not. Like I said, by your logic we can deny Hiashi's statement that they're the best clan alive in Konoha. There was never a tournament within the clan, right? How about Obito saying that the Senju and Uchiha were the strongest? We never saw them be the strongest, all we saw was them fighting each other. Neither of these were shown so that means that they're not true.
It's a fact that Kurama wouldn't have broken Naruto out because he hadn't done it already.

Both Naruto and Kurama can release themselves from a Genjutsu if they realize that it is a Genjutsu, firstly. Secondly, if they want to release the person from the Genjutsu. You seem to be utterly contrasted to the point of not understanding how the Genjutsu played in the movie at all. What is the point in watching the movie when you do not understand the difference between a plot device, and an actual contributed into the combination of a superior deus ex machina. Continue on with your folly. You pretty much just proved how credible you are in this thread.

People who understand the difference between plot =/= real

Apparently Kurama was on layaway Zzz

OT:what if I tell you naruto actually wanted to stay in the genjutsu?

you do know it was plot so naruto could see hinata's memories/feelings

He did not, but I'll just let you continue to make controversial threads, because this is just stupid.

 

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How convenient that you care nothing for a Genjutsu that made less than one minute showtime. It was breakable by Sakura, funny enough no one else was shown being able to break it. When we all know even Sai is an experienced shinobi. Yet, all of have just as much experience with Genjutsu as Sakura. Do you understand how false the logic is? Or do you want me to hold your hand while I break out the simplistic?

No, the genjutsu doesn't matter because it works like every other genjutsu. You're in there until you break yourself out or someone else does it for you.
Sai? What does he have to do with anything? Really? Sai is now on par with Sakura even though she got out and Sai didn't.

Show me a scan of Kurama actually trying to break Naruto out of the Genjutsu, and show me a statement where Kurama/Naruto said that the Chakra disruption method will not work anymore because they lost that ability. Because somehow a Perfect Jinchuriki can lose that ability. All you really have is baseless excuses driven by a movie that holds merit in the form of a retcon. Even Naruto was able to remove Kurama from his body, whilst being the Jinchuriki, but let's all pretend that makes sense because who cares. Right? Right.

Show me a scan of the Hyuga beating every other clan that's alive in Konoha. Show me the scan where Uchiha and Senju beat every other clan in the war. Show me a scan of the other clans admitting that Hyuga are better.

What you think of the movie doesn't matter because everything that happened in it is canon.

I'm making excuses? You're the one relying on blaming SP.

It was to showcase who was actually pulling Naruto out of the dream, hence why Sakura told Naruto to wake up in the first place. It's called chakra disruptin btw, but you cannot show me those feats in the manga. I'll wait.

So you admit that the reader got it from watching her take Naruto out, not from what Shikamaru said. Feats? Sakura getting out before everyone else is the feat.

Did you not understand anything I have been writing for the past two hours? I said that the Genjutsu came in the form of a dream. Think back to how the Infinite Tsukuoymi plays out in the world of Naruto. This is but a simpler version of that, but instead the movie tells you that the Genjutsu comes in the form of enclosed and private dreams of the desired person. Naruto, when he was placed in the Genjutsu, connected his mind with Hinata. Ultimately it became a whole different thing altogether (show me a Genjutsu where it can link the minds of another in the manga so far), where possibly Kurama did not feel threatened to actually free Naruto because it ACTUALLY looked like a dream world. There are so many possibilities to put into play on why Kurama did break Naruto out of the Genjutsu. The biggest thing you do not have is whether or not Kurama was affected, and whether or not Kurama actually tried. I am still waiting for this credible proof you have that seems to be sensible in your mind only.

Oh it works like IT? Are you seriously suggesting that Sakura would be able to break out something like that? The genjutsu is a simple genjutsu, it's not hard to break someone out and the fact that Hinata and Naruto were connected did nothing to prevent that, i.e nothing changed; they didn't have some special genjutsu like you're suggesting. You keep trying to make it seem more important than it actually is.For what reason? I don't know. Is it to say that Kurama wouldn't be able to break him out because of it? Then why was Sakura able to using the same thing Kurama would have used.

Kurama didn't get affected because Bijuu never get affected by the genjutsu their host is in. Kurama knows that they're on a mission and in enemy territory, yet he's just going to leave Naruto there? It did not look like a dream world, the thoughts jumped from one to another. There is no other possibilities other than he couldn't or plot. Kurama isn't going to just sit there and from what we know about perfect Jinchuurikies is that they get broken out within seconds.

I see. You cannot read properly ... Go back a few posts where I explain on who is better at breaking out of Genjutsu by hype. "Sakura by hype". Both her and Naruto have no problem with actually breaking out of Genjutsu if you actually understand what the requirements are for it in the first place.

It's not like the only people capable of breaking Genjutsu are Sharingan users or Jinchuriki. There can be normal ninja who are adept at it.

Naruto is easily, easily, the best chakra manipulator in the manga. Illusions, in this manga, are based on the distortion of one's chakra system, Naruto, technically, should be the best ninja in the world at fixing that distortion the fastest considering his chakra control is beyond masterful, to the point of sharing a live connection with thousands of ninja over kilometers for extended periods or simply instantaneously (Alliance FTG), pouring his emotions and visual thoughts into that connection.

It's nice to have another being in your stomach to set things straight, but for a ninja of Naruto's caliber who could heal full-blown eye balls in a touch, it's kind of ridiculous to suggest chakra distortion is going to significantly fault him, the guy should theoretically instantly fix any issue with his chakra flow if he can transmit chakra into creating body parts.

If we consider his entire moveset- it's based on chakra control and manipulation. The Rasegan itself is an incredible display of this. That being said, Sakura passed out at Sasuke's glance, and her chakra control is also pretty impressive.

All that and Naruto couldn't break out of a simple genjutsu. All that and Sakura was still better at it than him. Hype? She got out before anyone else. I'd call that a feat.

You are correct. Considering that Sakura was the only one trying to break everyone out of the Genjutsu, but are you incorrect on the last part. You seem to be dodging the questions:

"Did Naruto try to break out of the Genjutsu"
"Did Kurama try ot break out of the Genjutsu via chakra disruption"

Saying that only Sakura could break out of the Genjutsu because it happened is pretty much a joke. Considering the feats in the manga, and how it operated in the scene.

Show me a scan of the Hyuga beating every other clan that's alive in Konoha. Show me the scan where Uchiha and Senju beat every other clan in the war. Show me a scan of the other clans admitting that Hyuga are better. There's no scan of it? Then they're not telling the truth. <--- This is your logic and why I don't answer those questions.

Both Naruto and Kurama can release themselves from a Genjutsu if they realize that it is a Genjutsu, firstly. Secondly, if they want to release the person from the Genjutsu. You seem to be utterly contrasted to the point of not understanding how the Genjutsu played in the movie at all. What is the point in watching the movie when you do not understand the difference between a plot device, and an actual contributed into the combination of a superior deus ex machina.

Kurama doesn't have to ask Naruto to take him out. He wouldn't even take a second guess if he could take him out because that'd be retarded.

Continue on with your folly. You pretty much just proved how credible you are in this thread.

I'm not the one using theories and assumptions.

 

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No, the genjutsu doesn't matter because it works like every other genjutsu. You're in there until you break yourself out or someone else does it for you.
Sai? What does he have to do with anything? Really? Sai is now on par with Sakura even though she got out and Sai didn't.

Sigh, you still cannot form any arguments? Who is talking about Sai? We are mentioning every shinobi that joined them. At least read the arguments that are laid out in front of you instead of ignoring them. Well, I doubt you can construct any valid arguments considering how long this has been going on. But hey, you have evidence right? Right.

Show me a scan of the Hyuga beating every other clan that's alive in Konoha. Show me the scan where Uchiha and Senju beat every other clan in the war. Show me a scan of the other clans admitting that Hyuga are better.

Concession accepted.

What you think of the movie doesn't matter because everything that happened in it is canon.

Who is not validating that it is not canon? Of course it is. I just told you why Naruto/Kurama did not break out of the Genjutsu. It is not my fault you have a giant stick so far up your arse that you cannot see the truth between what is intended for plot sake.

I'm making excuses? You're the one relying on blaming SP.

Where exactly did I blame Studio Perriot?

So you admit that the reader got it from watching her take Naruto out, not from what Shikamaru said. Feats? Sakura getting out before everyone else is the feat.

"It was to showcase who was actually pulling Naruto out of the dream, hence why Sakura told Naruto to wake up in the first place. It's called chakra disruption btw, but you cannot show me those feats in the manga. I'll wait."

Oh it works like IT? Are you seriously suggesting that Sakura would be able to break out something like that? The genjutsu is a simple genjutsu, it's not hard to break someone out and the fact that Hinata and Naruto were connected did nothing to prevent that, i.e nothing changed; they didn't have some special genjutsu like you're suggesting. You keep trying to make it seem more important than it actually is.For what reason? I don't know. Is it to say that Kurama wouldn't be able to break him out because of it? Then why was Sakura able to using the same thing Kurama would have used.

Are you some kind of horrible reader? The regular shinobi (Sakura, Sai, etc) were placed into the Genjutsu of their own memories, similar to how an Infinite Tsukuyomi would play out, instead would show them memories of what they want. This was entirely different, but still the same in considering what it actually shows. I stated that Naruto/Hinata were the only two shinobi to have actually had connected through the Genjutsu, ultimately making it different from the rest of the group. But hey, I at least do not ignore what is being represented and point figures at the obvious.

Kurama didn't get affected because Bijuu never get affected by the genjutsu their host is in. Kurama knows that they're on a mission and in enemy territory, yet he's just going to leave Naruto there? It did not look like a dream world, the thoughts jumped from one to another. There is no other possibilities other than he couldn't or plot. Kurama isn't going to just sit there and from what we know about perfect Jinchuurikies is that they get broken out within seconds.

Bijuu never get affected by Genjutsu? What kind of nonsense is that? A powerful Genjutsu user can enter the mind of a non-Perfect Jinchuriki can seal them temporarily, a 3T Sasuke was more than powerful enough to stop Naruto's enforcement of Kyuubi chakra during the early stages of Part one (Shippuden). It did not look like a dream world? It was showing the memories of both Naruto/Hinata, why are you comparing it a dream world? I only compared it to the IT in how they operate, but now what they totally conclude.

All that and Naruto couldn't break out of a simple genjutsu. All that and Sakura was still better at it than him. Hype? She got out before anyone else. I'd call that a feat.

Still do not understand the difference between what is shown in the Manga, and what is shown in the movies. At least you could understand something so simplistic, but I highly doubt it now. This conversation will likely go nowhere because you lack something important in a debate. Common sense.

Where is your rebuttal for this:

It's not like the only people capable of breaking Genjutsu are Sharingan users or Jinchuriki. There can be normal ninja who are adept at it.

Naruto is easily, easily, the best chakra manipulator in the manga. Illusions, in this manga, are based on the distortion of one's chakra system, Naruto, technically, should be the best ninja in the world at fixing that distortion the fastest considering his chakra control is beyond masterful, to the point of sharing a live connection with thousands of ninja over kilometers for extended periods or simply instantaneously (Alliance FTG), pouring his emotions and visual thoughts into that connection.

It's nice to have another being in your stomach to set things straight, but for a ninja of Naruto's caliber who could heal full-blown eye balls in a touch, it's kind of ridiculous to suggest chakra distortion is going to significantly fault him, the guy should theoretically instantly fix any issue with his chakra flow if he can transmit chakra into creating body parts.

If we consider his entire moveset- it's based on chakra control and manipulation. The Rasegan itself is an incredible display of this. That being said, Sakura passed out at Sasuke's glance, and her chakra control is also pretty impressive.

That's right

Show me a scan of the Hyuga beating every other clan that's alive in Konoha. Show me the scan where Uchiha and Senju beat every other clan in the war. Show me a scan of the other clans admitting that Hyuga are better. There's no scan of it? Then they're not telling the truth. <--- This is your logic and why I don't answer those questions.

So you basically concede? It is obvious who is right at this point, if the Manga cannot prove your claim, than it is obvious who is correct by the former.

"Did Naruto try to break out of the Genjutsu"
"Did Kurama try ot break out of the Genjutsu via chakra disruption"

I'll wait until you can actually show me a real answer. Bulk, you won't.


Kurama doesn't have to ask Naruto to take him out. He wouldn't even take a second guess if he could take him out because that'd be retarded.

I'm not the one using theories and assumptions.

At least I understand the differene between plot, and the actual truth.

"Both Naruto and Kurama can release themselves from a Genjutsu if they realize that it is a Genjutsu, firstly. Secondly, if they want to release the person from the Genjutsu. You seem to be utterly contrasted to the point of not understanding how the Genjutsu played in the movie at all. What is the point in watching the movie when you do not understand the difference between a plot device, and an actual contributed into the combination of a superior deus ex machina."

 

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Continue on with your folly. You pretty much just proved how credible you are in this thread.

Yes? You have something to say.