Naruto and Hashirama are cocky

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That doesn't matter. Sasuke's Susano'o acts as the vessel instead of the Gedo Mazo.

You right on that. But its not juubi chakra. Its more like Sasuke made their chakra his own. It was a thunder god Sasuke. His face was even on it. Not to mention the lightning.
 

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You right on that. But its not juubi chakra. Its more like Sasuke made their chakra his own. It was a thunder god Sasuke. His face was even on it. Not to mention the lightning.



It is. He combined the Bijuu Chakras which composes the Juubi's Chakra.

The characteristics of Sasuke's Susano'o was retained because his Susano'o acted as the vessel and combined with the Juubi's Chakra in a similar way in which Jugo's own Senjutsu combined with Sasuke's own Susano'o.

If anything, his Susano'o looked more humanoid which is a characteristic that Asura's own Avatar retained and he attained his Avatar through having all of the Bijuu's Chakra.
 

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It is. He combined the Bijuu Chakras which composes the Juubi's Chakra.

The characteristics of Sasuke's Susano'o was retained because his Susano'o acted as the vessel and combined with the Juubi's Chakra in a similar way in which Jugo's own Senjutsu combined with Sasuke's own Susano'o.

If anything, his Susano'o looked more humanoid which is a characteristic that Asura's own Avatar retained and he attained his Avatar through having all of the Bijuu's Chakra.

Juubi's chakra is nature energy. You cant just make juubi chakra. The juubi has to transform and then the new chakra awakens which is basically natural energy of the planet.

Sasuke is merely combining the chakra into one and amplifying it through the power if his Susano'o. Your scan even proves this. The Juubi was never once mentioned. Now of course the power matched or even outclassed the juubi chakra but it is not juubi chakra.

Another example is Naruto. His cloak contains all 9 bijuu yet he is not a 10 tailed Jinchuriki. He is a Psuedo Jinchuriki of 9 tailed beasts


And concerning Ashura. It was never stated that he recieved even a single bijuu. It was stated however that his chakra blossomed from training.
 
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But Naruto anyway could kill Sasuke if he wanted this.

After enough freebies lol he can only stalemate now as opposed to getting inpaled through lung & shoulder blade

. Meanwhile Sauce still leads in wins against Naruto.
 
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**** me. I haven't seen a thread destroyed so hard in it's first few replies in a good while XD

Madara & Sasuke are the definition of cocky though.
 

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There are people that disagree with this?

They must like to argue just for the sake of it then.
 

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Hashirama loved madara of course as a brother but he also did say he would basically kill anyone who brought harm to the village even his own family so though he loved madara he had to kill him because of madara a intent. Naruto on the other hand didn't kill sasuke because he must've known no matter what sasuke threw at him it would not be able to kill him. Naruto never once said if it got to a certain point I'll have to kill sasuke. He knew he'd stop him. Or he would die with him. So sasuke fans can look at it however they want yes it shows a little superiority on narutos side but kishi said they're equals so they're equals
 

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Not really, their abilities fluctuate and at VoTE2 Sasuke needed the Bijuu's chakra (Which he absorbed using his own powers and skill, remember he caught them all like pokemon) to match Naruto's Senjutsu enhanced Asura Avatar, but that's because unlike RSM, Rinnegan apparently needs time for mastery.

Current Sasuke probably wouldn't need the Bijuu's Chakra to replicate his final lightning Susanoo (The Susanoo armor looked like it in Boruto movie), and we know he mastered his Rinnegan. There's always a lot to consider.

There was a member who had a gif of Sasuke forming BPS on the Boruto movie as their sig I believe
 

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If you say so man.

Sasuke went all out..while Naruto only made sure his power equaled Sasuke so he wouldn't fatally injure him.

It's just the truth.

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Neither Hashirama not Naruto said that they could kill their rivals if they wanted. They only replied back by saying they didn't want to kill them when Madara and Sasuke were urging them to fight seriously and attempt to kill them.

However, Hashirama could kill Madara. But Naruto couldn't kill Sasuke.

Exactly. Naruto sinply didnt want to kill sasuke so he wasnt fighting to kill...cockiness would be naruto implying i could kill you at anytime. Which he didnt. And im not saying he could of either.
 

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Naruto even admitted that both would die if they fought. Doesn't sound cocky to me at all.
 

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Naruto even admitted that both would die if they fought. Doesn't sound cocky to me at all.

Yea I definitely don't see any cockiness from either one. Now Naruto said they would both die if they fought by Naruto also knew he would never fight to kill sasuke he would endure sasukes attacks until they both collapsed never actually intend to kill him. Not saying Naruto could kill him if he actually tried though since there's no proof he could
 

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Sasuke could've also absorbed the bijuus chakra early and rekt Naruto instead of playing with Naruto and urging him to get serious just to enjoy the thrill of fight.



@bold This logic is BS and totally ruled out specially when Kishi himself said they're equal in power and abilities.



True. But the result would still be the same. They both would've just went full power much earlier.



Because Sasuke can counter/stalemate his most powerful attack. Everything below that becomes automatically irrelevant.
How dumb can you be? If sasuke absorbed the bijuu faster naruto would have collected ne faster lol wtf and sasuke can't counter narutos strongest atk without bijuus it is naruto who already proved he can counter all sasukes attacks naruto didn't even use all his moves against sasuke for u to come up with the baseless assumption sasuke can counter naruto when he was easily dismantled by momoshiki and from the movie we seen how strong kurama can get easily exceeding sasukes ps which hasn't tanked anything since he got it lol u sasuke wankers are dumb as hell I swear
 

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After enough freebies lol he can only stalemate now as opposed to getting inpaled through lung & shoulder blade

. Meanwhile Sauce still leads in wins against Naruto.

Didn't sasuke beat naruto because of his freebies? Lol dummy . And naruto had to learn to conquer hate to control kurama that's not a free power up also he has to fight kurama sasuke got all how shit free he only trained for Chidori . So wtf are u talking about freebies for
 

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Naruto could just dispel the Avatar and fly to dodge it. He definately can do that. However that would be a risk considering he didnt know how the Attack would unfold after it is fired. Kinda like Narutos Fuuton:RS expands when thrown. It was smarter to match it instead dodge. That could've been more fatal.

Indra's Arrow is way too swift for all that process to happen. You're underestimating its speed, dude.

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You telling me that dumbass:
+ stored all that chakra in his Susano then got it blown up
+ Was trying to kill Naruto but didn't go all out.

@bold Not "all" the bijuus' chakra, just a portion of it. Enough for Indra's Arrow and a little more presumably.
@underlined That's going by YOUR argument, dumbass. Not mine.

These and him saying he was destined to win and then blowing up their arms by adding enton

And what? Did I ever say Sasuke was holding back? Then what's this futile explanation for?

2nd Bold: What....

After he shot it Naruto could have just left the cloak and laughed as Sasuke missed.

You're foolish beyond belief... As if all that was possible. How pathetic!

Sasuke cannot recreate a BPS as powerful as VOTE without the 9 bijuu. Whether a teen or adult.

The 9 bijuus' combined chakra is actually the Juubi's chakra. If Sasuke's chakra becomes as powerful as Juubi's chakra, then Sasuke definitely can create a PS (and shape it as BPS) as strong as his VOTE BPS.

And since Sasuke's chakra is Rikodou's quality chakra, it is destined to be as strong as the Juubi's chakra when fully matured. So when that happens, Sasuke's BPS will be as powerful as his VOTE BPS which is the strongest a PS can get.

Naruto was stronger than at VOTE because of Sasuke's lack of mastery over Rinnegan. The 9 bijuu evened the playing field for Sasuke.

Firstly, Sasuke's Rinnegan mastery is irrelevant because it only adds more abilities to Sasuke's arsenal (for versatility), not more capability in terms of power. And even if Sasuke had mastery over his Rinnegan, he'd still be weaker than Naruto at VOTE because his chakra wasn't powerful enough to rival Naruto's chakra empowered by all NE around.

That's just the nature of their powers. Naruto gets his powers immediately and then they grow slowly and slightly while Sasuke gets his powers from scratch and they grow quickly and hugely to equal Naruto. That has been the case with all their powers. So naturally, Teen Rinne Sasuke was weaker than Teen RSM Naruto (thankfully the bijuus' evened the playing field), but Adult Sasuke is equal to Adult Naruto on his own.

If Sasuke were to recreate a new BPS with the bijuu it would only be with 8 bijuu as Naruto now has Full Kurama which>the other beasts.

Firstly, he can't create BPS with 8 bijuus because you need Juubi's chakra for that which is ALL 9 bijuus. Secondly, Sasuke doesn't need them anymore anyway.

Difference this time would be Sasukes MASTERED Rinnegan. With this, even as adults, they would still be equal.

Rinnegan mastery is irrelevant as it doesn't grant more power.

Notice how after VOTE Naruto never used the 8 bijuu again to power up his cloak. Its to powerful and temporary.

His cloak being powered up by the bijuus is just speculation. And it's not that powerful from his current cloak BTW.

Just like Sasuke's Bijuu BPS. If Naruto were to get that form again Sasuke would again retrieve the bijuu to match up as Sasuke would not just be fighting 9 bijuu power but also the forces of Nature.

Sasuke doesn't need the bijuus. Naruto can get that form if he wants though but it won't be that much of a bump anyway.

How dumb can you be? If sasuke absorbed the bijuu faster naruto would have collected ne faster lol wtf and sasuke can't counter narutos strongest atk without bijuus it is naruto who already proved he can counter all sasukes attacks naruto didn't even use all his moves against sasuke for u to come up with the baseless assumption sasuke can counter naruto when he was easily dismantled by momoshiki and from the movie we seen how strong kurama can get easily exceeding sasukes ps which hasn't tanked anything since he got it lol u sasuke wankers are dumb as hell I swear

You're a fool unworthy of argument...
 

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Indra's Arrow is way too swift for all that process to happen. You're underestimating its speed, dude.



@bold Not "all" the bijuus' chakra, just a portion of it. Enough for Indra's Arrow and a little more presumably.
@underlined That's going by YOUR argument, dumbass. Not mine.



And what? Did I ever say Sasuke was holding back? Then what's this futile explanation for?



You're foolish beyond belief... As if all that was possible. How pathetic!



The 9 bijuus' combined chakra is actually the Juubi's chakra. If Sasuke's chakra becomes as powerful as Juubi's chakra, then Sasuke definitely can create a PS (and shape it as BPS) as strong as his VOTE BPS.

And since Sasuke's chakra is Rikodou's quality chakra, it is destined to be as strong as the Juubi's chakra when fully matured. So when that happens, Sasuke's BPS will be as powerful as his VOTE BPS which is the strongest a PS can get.



Firstly, Sasuke's Rinnegan mastery is irrelevant because it only adds more abilities to Sasuke's arsenal (for versatility), not more capability in terms of power. And even if Sasuke had mastery over his Rinnegan, he'd still be weaker than Naruto at VOTE because his chakra wasn't powerful enough to rival Naruto's chakra empowered by all NE around.

That's just the nature of their powers. Naruto gets his powers immediately and then they grow slowly and slightly while Sasuke gets his powers from scratch and they grow quickly and hugely to equal Naruto. That has been the case with all their powers. So naturally, Teen Rinne Sasuke was weaker than Teen RSM Naruto (thankfully the bijuus' evened the playing field), but Adult Sasuke is equal to Adult Naruto on his own.



Firstly, he can't create BPS with 8 bijuus because you need Juubi's chakra for that which is ALL 9 bijuus. Secondly, Sasuke doesn't need them anymore anyway.



Rinnegan mastery is irrelevant as it doesn't grant more power.



His cloak being powered up by the bijuus is just speculation. And it's not that powerful from his current cloak BTW.



Sasuke doesn't need the bijuus. Naruto can get that form if he wants though but it won't be that much of a bump anyway.



You're a fool unworthy of argument...
Because you have no argument just talking out Ur ass
 

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Indra's Arrow is way too swift for all that process to happen. You're underestimating its speed, dude.



@bold Not "all" the bijuus' chakra, just a portion of it. Enough for Indra's Arrow and a little more presumably.
@underlined That's going by YOUR argument, dumbass. Not mine.



And what? Did I ever say Sasuke was holding back? Then what's this futile explanation for?



You're foolish beyond belief... As if all that was possible. How pathetic!



The 9 bijuus' combined chakra is actually the Juubi's chakra. If Sasuke's chakra becomes as powerful as Juubi's chakra, then Sasuke definitely can create a PS (and shape it as BPS) as strong as his VOTE BPS.

And since Sasuke's chakra is Rikodou's quality chakra, it is destined to be as strong as the Juubi's chakra when fully matured. So when that happens, Sasuke's BPS will be as powerful as his VOTE BPS which is the strongest a PS can get.



Firstly, Sasuke's Rinnegan mastery is irrelevant because it only adds more abilities to Sasuke's arsenal (for versatility), not more capability in terms of power. And even if Sasuke had mastery over his Rinnegan, he'd still be weaker than Naruto at VOTE because his chakra wasn't powerful enough to rival Naruto's chakra empowered by all NE around.

That's just the nature of their powers. Naruto gets his powers immediately and then they grow slowly and slightly while Sasuke gets his powers from scratch and they grow quickly and hugely to equal Naruto. That has been the case with all their powers. So naturally, Teen Rinne Sasuke was weaker than Teen RSM Naruto (thankfully the bijuus' evened the playing field), but Adult Sasuke is equal to Adult Naruto on his own.



Firstly, he can't create BPS with 8 bijuus because you need Juubi's chakra for that which is ALL 9 bijuus. Secondly, Sasuke doesn't need them anymore anyway.



Rinnegan mastery is irrelevant as it doesn't grant more power.



His cloak being powered up by the bijuus is just speculation. And it's not that powerful from his current cloak BTW.



Sasuke doesn't need the bijuus. Naruto can get that form if he wants though but it won't be that much of a bump anyway.



You're a fool unworthy of argument...

Sasuke's chakra will never be as powerful as Juubi chakra. Stop with the fanfics and no info to back your incorrect statements.
 

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Because you have no argument just talking out Ur ass

I have arguments, several of them. It's just futile as hell to proceed in an argument with you, because your comprehension and understanding is pitiable.

Sasuke's chakra will never be as powerful as Juubi chakra. Stop with the fanfics and no info to back your incorrect statements.

Just because you can't see that far or broad doesn't make it a fanfic.

Hagoromo inherited his chakra directly and purely from Kaguya, who is essentially the Juubi. Which means Hagoromo's chakra is the Juubi's chakra and will be perfectly equal to the Juubi's chakra when fully matured. Since Sasuke received the Yin counterpart of Hagoromo's chakra i.e. Sage's chakra quality (proven by the fact that Naruto requires RSM of the same chakra plus BM to rival that), Sasuke's chakra when fully matured will also be equal to the Juubi's chakra in power. Fully matured Hagoromo's chakra will be superior to fully matured Sasuke's chakra using RSM though, but in base it'll be equal because Juubi's chakra is the strongest a chakra can get naturally.

He is talking out his ass. No use in even challenging his stupid ass quotes.

Your lack of understanding doesn't mean my argument is baseless, incompetent moron.
 

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I have arguments, several of them. It's just futile as hell to proceed in an argument with you, because your comprehension and understanding is pitiable.



Just because you can't see that far or broad doesn't make it a fanfic.

Hagoromo inherited his chakra directly and purely from Kaguya, who is essentially the Juubi. Which means Hagoromo's chakra is the Juubi's chakra and will be perfectly equal to the Juubi's chakra when fully matured. Since Sasuke received the Yin counterpart of Hagoromo's chakra i.e. Sage's chakra quality (proven by the fact that Naruto requires RSM of the same chakra plus BM to rival that), Sasuke's chakra when fully matured will also be equal to the Juubi's chakra in power. Fully matured Hagoromo's chakra will be superior to fully matured Sasuke's chakra using RSM though, but in base it'll be equal because Juubi's chakra is the strongest a chakra can get naturally.



Your lack of understanding doesn't mean my argument is baseless, incompetent moron.

No it won't. All he recieved was Rinnegan, a Yin Seal(gone), and Six Paths chakra. He did not get a YOUNG version of yun chakra that needs to mature. He gave each the complete package. He will not grow to surpass the juubis power in chakra. Plus he is already 30 years old. His chakra isnt maturing anymore. All that needs maturing is honing of his Rinnegan like Kurama said. Had Sasuke a mastered Rinnegan at VOTE he would not have needed the bijuu.

Naruto and Sasuke are already in their primes thats why they intriduced the next generation. They are the same age as Maddy and Hashi at VOTE.

And Naruto needs all that because Sasuke has the doujutsu while Naruto has the body. Itachi is basically Sasukes kurama. Body=Eyes

By your logic Naruto should have chakra more powerful than Kaguya. Thats false and stupid.
 
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