Naruto and Hashirama are cocky

[Jokule67]

Because they both went all out i.e. used their strongest attacks, and only managed to stalemate, you moron.

The fact that Naruto didn't want to kill Sasuke is irrelevant as he still went all out.

Stop asking stupid questions.

^^^True. They both went ALL out in that fight. Using power well above what they awakened with Hago.

 

[random girlz]

Very cocky indeed.

 

[Jokule67]

Very cocky indeed.

Both Sasuke and Maddy were 100x more cocky in their ruval battles lol

Hashi and Naruto were defending themselves

 

[random girlz]

Both Sasuke and Maddy were 100x more cocky in their ruval battles lol

Hashi and Naruto were defending themselves

Everyone in Naruto is cocky.

 

[lndra]

If you say so man.

Sasuke went all out..while Naruto only made sure his power equaled Sasuke so he wouldn't fatally injure him.

It's just the truth.

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Madara actually died tho.

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Hashirama actually kicked Madara's ass though. Naruto can equal Sasuke's strongest attack.

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Thread wrecked.

OT; Both Naruto and Hashirama just know what's up.

 

[Jokule67]

Everyone in Naruto is cocky.

Nawww. Uchiha are the most cocky people in the whole manga. They take it to a whole nother level lol

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Truuuu^^^^^ But I'm curious to see if it'd have the same outcome as their seniors had Naruto had resolved to kill Sasuke as Hashi did for Madara.

Hashirama didn't defeat Madara because he had killing intent. He defeated Madara because he was stronger than him unlike Naruto was against Sasuke. This is proven by the fact that Hashirama defeated Madara every single time they fought and he had killing intent only one time in their very last fight.

So no, it wouldn't be the same outcome as their seniors. If Naruto had killing intent, the fight would still be a draw because Naruto wasn't stronger than Sasuke like Hashirama was against Madara. It would've just ended much earlier though because they both would've gone all out much earlier.

Naruto's strongest attack is senpou chou bijuu rasenshuriken enhanced with NE. That was his strongest attack at the time. Anyways, Naruto's heart wasn't in it. If it was he would have dodged that linear as shit arrow and killed him.



That's the strongest attack he had at the time...

It's the maximum power output Naruto can produce at a single time. Otherwise, I can throw the same logic back at you and say that Sasuke was holding back because he didn't produce a much bigger Indra's Arrow since he had the entire reserves of the Juubi's chakra at his disposal which is large enough to be able to consume the whole world in IT for eternity. That would neg Naruto 101%.

Oh and BTW, Naruto's Kurama Avatar is not fast enough to dodge the massive and speedy AF Indra's Arrow especially when it's in midair.

 

[To Whatever]

Hashirama didn't defeat Madara because he had killing intent. He defeated Madara because he was stronger than him unlike Naruto was against Sasuke. This is proven by the fact that Hashirama defeated Madara every single time they fought and he had killing intent only one time in their very last fight.

So no, it wouldn't be the same outcome as their seniors. If Naruto had killing intent, the fight would still be a draw because Naruto wasn't stronger than Sasuke like Hashirama was against Madara. It would've just ended much earlier though because they both would've gone all out much earlier.



It's the maximum power output Naruto can produce at a single time. Otherwise, I can throw the same logic back at you and say that Sasuke was holding back because he didn't produce a much bigger Indra's Arrow since he had the entire reserves of the Juubi's chakra at his disposal which is large enough to be able to consume the whole world in IT for eternity. That would neg Naruto 101%.

Oh and BTW, Naruto's Kurama Avatar is not fast enough to dodge the massive and speedy AF Indra's Arrow especially when it's in midair.

The entire reserves of the juubi's chakra......

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He wasn't in mid air, it was flying and bs on it not being fast enough. Even if it wasn't he could just keep the arms and dodge that shit.

 

[Jokule67]

Hashirama didn't defeat Madara because he had killing intent. He defeated Madara because he was stronger than him unlike Naruto was against Sasuke. This is proven by the fact that Hashirama defeated Madara every single time they fought and he had killing intent only one time in their very last fight.

So no, it wouldn't be the same outcome as their seniors. If Naruto had killing intent, the fight would still be a draw because Naruto wasn't stronger than Sasuke like Hashirama was against Madara. It would've just ended much earlier though because they both would've gone all out much earlier.



It's the maximum power output Naruto can produce at a single time. Otherwise, I can throw the same logic back at you and say that Sasuke was holding back because he didn't produce a much bigger Indra's Arrow since he had the entire reserves of the Juubi's chakra at his disposal which is large enough to be able to consume the whole world in IT for eternity. That would neg Naruto 101%.

Oh and BTW, Naruto's Kurama Avatar is not fast enough to dodge the massive and speedy AF Indra's Arrow especially when it's in midair.

You're right man. But anything is possible. Every fight wont always be a tie. Thats just reality. They really can kill one another.

 

[deadp00l]

Madara and sasuke are both weak compared to hashirama and naruto due to the fact they both had to take a massive temporary powerup to even fight them

FACT-

Madara could damage Shinsuusenju only because of bijuu dama otherwise, its 1000 hands would block the puny susanoo swords and turn it and madara into pancake.

Sasuke's arrow wouldn't dent naruto's attack without 9 bijuu chakra and he would be duct from Rasenshuriken explosion

 

[To Whatever]

It's fun to debate when you don't care..

 

[Commander Axe]

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These Naruto and Sasuke threads always end up EXACTLY the same, with the EXACT same debates and EXACT same arguments being used. Wish I could call it deja vu.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

The entire reserves of the juubi's chakra......

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Yes, he had ALL 9 complete bijuus in the CT orbs at his disposal which equal the Juubi, and their chakra equal the Juubi's chakra fully i.e. the entire reserves.

So Sasuke could've produced a much bigger Indra's Arrow if he wanted (by your logic). Which means he was holding back (by your logic). You're stupidly owning your own argument, buddy. :lol

He wasn't in mid air, it was flying and bs on it not being fast enough. Even if it wasn't he could just keep the arms and dodge that shit.

If you're flying, you're in midair, genius. I never said he was standing still in midair. BTW, Naruto's Avatar was standing still in midair when generating the attacks. Aside from that, it could move but not fast enough to dodge Indra's Arrow.

And no, that "not fast enough" is not BS. Otherwise care to explain Naruto's genius notion of countering Sasuke's attack with an equally powerful attack of his own? Why couldn't he have dodged the Indra's Arrow especially when there was no risk of anyone being in danger of getting hit by it? It's obvious he couldn't dodge it. Indra's Arrow is way too fast for the Kyuubi Avatar.

You're right man. But anything is possible. Every fight wont always be a tie. Thats just reality. They really can kill one another.

You're right. Depending upon the circumstances, one of them could win. But they won't be stronger than the other by any means as most Naruto fans seem to imply.

Madara and sasuke are both weak compared to hashirama and naruto due to the fact they both had to take a massive temporary powerup to even fight them

FACT-

Madara could damage Shinsuusenju only because of bijuu dama otherwise, its 1000 hands would block the puny susanoo swords and turn it and madara into pancake.

Sasuke's arrow wouldn't dent naruto's attack without 9 bijuu chakra and he would be duct from Rasenshuriken explosion

Kishi said that Naruto and Sasuke are EQUAL ability-wise. So chill and accept the fact that Sasuke can create BPS whenever he desires. Otherwise, accept that Naruto can't create 3 faced Kurama Avatar either.

It's fun to debate when you don't care..

Not so fun when you getting owned tho...

 

[mabanae]

They think they can kill their rivals :lol

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i miss this manga

 

[To Whatever]

Yes, he had ALL 9 complete bijuus in the CT orbs at his disposal which equal the Juubi, and their chakra equal the Juubi's chakra fully i.e. the entire reserves.

So Sasuke could've produced a much bigger Indra's Arrow if he wanted (by your logic). Which means he was holding back (by your logic). You're stupidly owning your own argument, buddy. :lol

Not so fun when you getting owned tho...

8 1/2 bijuu = juubi full reserves.

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And the bigger it is the more time Naruto has to dodge the linear arrow and laugh as Sasuke's rinnegan overexerts itself.

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[Endles Waltz]

Well during their era Hashirama was indeed stronger than Madara. (Madara completely outclassed him since he got the Rinnegan though, let alone his other power-ups.)

However, Naruto is only Sasuke's equal. He said he didn't want to kill him, which is true, he wanted them both to survive, because an all out fight would end in both their deaths. A scenario that was foreshadowed along with them progressing as equals throughout the series.

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If you say so man.

Sasuke went all out..while Naruto only made sure his power equaled Sasuke so he wouldn't fatally injure him.

It's just the truth.

Sasuke went all out with the intent to kill, and Naruto did not share the same intentions, but he was also forced to go all out in order to survive. That is the truth. They both squeezed out every ounce of their energy.

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These constant superiority/inferiority threads are really pointless and redundant when the manga has made something abundantly clear, and Kishi even stated it himself in an interview, that Naruto and Sasuke are

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Equal.

But hey, these threads and discussions are what's keeping this place alive, I'm guilty of participating myself. :lol

OT; Both Naruto and Hashirama just know what's up.

Lol, weren't you always a "they're equal" advocate? :bdpf: Anyways read above.

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These Naruto and Sasuke threads always end up EXACTLY the same, with the EXACT same debates and EXACT same arguments being used. Wish I could call it deja vu.

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[lndra]

Well during their era Hashirama was indeed stronger than Madara. (Madara completely outclassed him since he got the Rinnegan though, let alone his other power-ups.)

Anyone with a brain knows Naruto and Sasuke are equal.

But that term is also used for Madara and Hashirama. Debating wise, Naruto wins through Asura Avatar in the long run. But overall, they are equals.

 

[Endles Waltz]

Anyone with a brain knows Naruto and Sasuke are equal.

But that term is also used for Madara and Hashirama. Debating wise, Naruto wins through Asura Avatar in the long run. But overall, they are equals.

Not really, their abilities fluctuate and at VoTE2 Sasuke needed the Bijuu's chakra (Which he absorbed using his own powers and skill, remember he caught them all like pokemon) to match Naruto's Senjutsu enhanced Asura Avatar, but that's because unlike RSM, Rinnegan apparently needs time for mastery.

Current Sasuke probably wouldn't need the Bijuu's Chakra to replicate his final lightning Susanoo (The Susanoo armor looked like it in Boruto movie), and we know he mastered his Rinnegan. There's always a lot to consider.

 

[lndra]

Not really, their abilities fluctuate and at VoTE2 Sasuke needed the Bijuu's chakra (Which he absorbed using his own powers and skill, remember he caught them all like pokemon) to match Naruto's Senjutsu enhanced Asura Avatar, but that's because unlike RSM, Rinnegan apparently needs time for mastery.

Current Sasuke probably wouldn't need the Bijuu's Chakra to replicate his final lightning Susanoo, and we know he mastered his Rinnegan. There's always a lot to consider.

I've seen this point being brought up before, which I can agree on. He could/should be capable of replicating another BPS with his chakra.

The problem here, is the logic that is applied in itself. Which is why I don't understand the point. If theoretically, Sasuke did create BPS with his own chakra, it wouldn't be any near powerful from his regular PS. Why? The Susano'o is already a manifestation of his chakra. Just changing the form isn't going to increase his power, because what he already has just increases with what is already his (did that make sense to you?). The reason why the original BPS was so powerful, was because Sasuke took in an external amount of potent chakra and merged it with his Susano'o.

Anyway, he should at least be capable of replicating an IA at least. Overall Naruto and Sasuke match each other out, whether it be speed, physical prowess, ninjutsu, and etc., But like Madara/Hashirama, one has that single quirk (SS - AA) that brings the match in their favor.

 

[Endles Waltz]

I've seen this point being brought up before, which I can agree on. He could/should be capable of replicating another BPS with his chakra.

The problem here, is the logic that is applied in itself. Which is why I don't understand the point. If theoretically, Sasuke did create BPS with his own chakra, it wouldn't be any near powerful from his regular PS. Why? The Susano'o is already a manifestation of his chakra. Just changing the form isn't going to increase his power, because what he already has just increases with what is already his (did that make sense to you?). The reason why the original BPS was so powerful, was because Sasuke took in an external amount of potent chakra and merged it with his Susano'o.

Anyway, he should at least be capable of replicating an IA at least. Overall Naruto and Sasuke match each other out, whether it be speed, physical prowess, ninjutsu, and etc., But like Madara/Hashirama, one has that single quirk (SS - AA) that brings the match in their favor.

Susanoo is always the manifestation of the users chakra, but the user can always choose how far to take it, whether it's V1, V2, V3, or PS. Madara (and Sasuke at times) clearly showcased that in the war-arc. Now with Sasuke, he just has a form beyond PS, so naturally it will be stronger. (I do agree that he will always be stronger with Bijuu chakra, but one could argue that as an adult he can match VoTE BPS with his own chakra, and outclass it with Bijuu chakra, but that's reaching with no evidence.)

Anyways, Kishi is a troll, he teased us with this:

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But it went no where. When will they really settle things bewteen them.