Nagato can easily break Tsukuyomi

[Maunten]

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Here Itachi says that his tsukoyomi cannot be beaten, and then he says that only a sharingan user with the same blood as his can defeat him ,but he doesnt refer to tsukoyomi, he doesnt say a sharingan user with the same blood can break tsukoyomi, he just says that a sharingan user with the same blood can defeat him..So this whole debate was based on twisting the words...

hmm that's true, also he does not say uchiha blood either, you know I'm leaving this thread, too much flaming going on here anyway.

Itachis tsukuyomi is pretty myterious, we have not even see the extent of madara's and whether it would be comparable to itachi's.

Should itachi's tsukuyomi even be used as a template for the kind of tsukuyomi you would come across against a user with the mangekyou?

 

[Scooby Doo]

hmm that's true, also he does not say uchiha blood either, you know I'm leaving this thread, too much flaming going on here anyway.

Itachis tsukuyomi is pretty myterious, we have not even see the extent of madara's and whether it would be comparable to itachi's.

Should itachi's tsukuyomi even be used as a template for the kind of tsukuyomi you would come across against a user with the mangekyou?

I didnt flame you, hope you know/noticed....

 

[Maunten]

I didnt flame you, hope you know/noticed....

No, I was referring to a green bar hoarder and some people that misinterpreted some of the manga scans, and forget to be meticulous before branding others.

 

[LeEvilTongue]

I don't think he can escape the genjutsu, but i don't think he can be caught in it either. In the fight against Naruto and Bee he seemed to know that Amaterasu was coming by feeling the pressure of the MS, I think it would be the same with Tsukyomi.

 

[Darksharinnegan]

firstly itachi has vast gen jutsu and could cast them on nagato's summons and tsyukoyomi nagato

second this isnt the reason itachi would beat nagato itachi's seal speed id off the charts and even with rinnegan nagato could never keep up

next totsaka sword will eventually seal nagato no mattter what.

shunshin + bunshin itachi wins

 

[Scooby Doo]

firstly itachi has vast gen jutsu and could cast them on nagato's summons and tsyukoyomi nagato

second this isnt the reason itachi would beat nagato itachi's seal speed id off the charts and even with rinnegan nagato could never keep up

next totsaka sword will eventually seal nagato no mattter what.

shunshin + bunshin itachi wins

Yes Itachi is incredibly fast like here:

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Even Kakashi's nor Sasuke's sharingan couldnt see his movements.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Nagato can be easily handled by Itachi.Because Itachi has sufficient time of 5 seconds to kick Nagato's ass after Nagato dodging even a single Kunai thrown at him and Itachi is best in timing attack.
Nagato can fight equally with Itachi if that 5 second interval wasn't there.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

He can break it because the rinnegan is the evolved form of the sharingan which makes the sharingan weaker

The manga says otherwise

 

[Scooby Doo]

He can break it because the rinnegan is the evolved form of the sharingan which makes the sharingan weaker

But Nagato's rinnegan is not evolved from EMS. Tobi said that he gave it to him, besides, even if its not true, still Nagato cant switch between rinnegan and sharingan abilities like Madara can.

 

[bruce lee was uchiha]

In the Itachi vs Nagato threads I've seen to many fanboys mistakenly claim that Itachi could one shot Nagato with Tsukuyomi. The reasons why this would fail is because

Nagato is a sensor ninja: It has been noted that sensor ninja have the ability to sense changes in ones chakra and the chakra around them. This would alert him to being in genjustu and he could disrupt his chakra and break it.

proof that Nagato is a sensor ninja from Narutopedia:



The Rinnegan is an evolved sharigan: it is well known that the sharigan evolves into the rinnegan with the right conditions. If a normal 3 tomoe sharigan can break "the all powerful" Tsukuyomi then the rinnegan can as well. The rinnegan has shown to counter all other MS techniques so Tsukuyomi is no problem.

So with this it is clear that Nagato>>>Itachi, and itachi stands no chance U_U

tsukiyomi isnt a genjutsu that the effected don't realize they are in. Kakashi knew he was in it when he got hit with it and he was helpless. Everyone who has been caught in Itachi's tsukuyomi knew that they were in it, and it destroyed them anyways.

 

[destined 2 win]

Sorry to say this but Sasuke escaped tsukoyomi because Itachi didnt want to kill him, so he let Sasuke escape it, the whole fight was a setup.

wtf, itachi faught sasuke with his full force. itachi does not joke with his opponents. he wanted to test the strength of his brother to the full limit. belive me if itachi had sensed his brother was weak then he would had spit at his brother face for disgracing the uchihaa clan and would had killed him instantly.:flaw:

 

[bruce lee was uchiha]

if this was true why didnt itachi use it when fighting edo nagato instead of throwing kunais at the eyes.

Or do genjutsus not work on edos?

it would be quite the waste of time to use genjutsu on someone who couldnt die unless he was sealed seeing as though itachi has no sealing techniques that i know of, nor does naruto...

 

[destined 2 win]

tsukiyomi isnt a genjutsu that the effected don't realize they are in. Kakashi knew he was in it when he got hit with it and he was helpless. Everyone who has been caught in Itachi's tsukuyomi knew that they were in it, and it destroyed them anyways.

how many peoples do u know who got hit by tsukuyomi????? only kakashi and sasuke got hit by tsukuyomi . and by the way let me clear one of yr illusion.

itachi didnt let kakashi alive bcoz he got pity on kakashi, the real reason is that more time itachi tortures kakashi in real life more his eyes will strain and itachi could risk loosing his eye. and also itachi need to stab his opponent while still puting his opponent in tsukuyommi so during that time , there were kurenai,asuma ta save paralysed kakashi form itachi's attack.


and by the way itachi cant put muliple peoples into tsukuyomi simultaneouly.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Nagato CANNOT break Tsukuyomi, he couldn't break Pa and Ma's genjutsu and its just that simple. Rinnegan doesn't help to break illusions. However Tsukuyomi is useless again the Six Paths of Pain, it can only affect one at a time and its effects can be easily reversed by use of the Naraka path making Itachi just wastefully throw away huge chunks of chakra, contrary to popular belief genjutsu on the paths doesn't affect Nagato or the other paths. Proof-when Jiraiya genjutsu pain's three paths, only those three were in the genjutsu. The other three and Nagato were absent.

 

[Scooby Doo]

wtf, itachi faught sasuke with his full force. itachi does not joke with his opponents. he wanted to test the strength of his brother to the full limit. belive me if itachi had sensed his brother was weak then he would had spit at his brother face for disgracing the uchihaa clan and would had killed him instantly.:flaw:

Ok, but I think I've already asked you not to say stfu or wtf or facepalm. I consider these flaming and I never use them . So can I expect you to have a normal conversation? Thanks.
But you have a point. Still, it cannot be proved that Sasuke broke out because he could or because Itachi let him. And if Itachi sensed that Sasuke couldnt break it , he wouldnt spit at Sasuke's face, but let him escape.

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Here Itachi says his tsukoyomi is unbeatable, and he doesnt say that a sharingan user with the same blood as him can break tsukoyomi,but he says that a sharingan user with the same blood can defeat him. Breaking Tsukoyomi and defeating Itachi are two different things, do not twist the words

 

[destined 2 win]

No we dont maybe you do. The thread is about Nagato vs Itachi and not the 6paths vs Itachi...Nagato is like when he was edo and fought B and Naruto, ...
And you dont have to call me an idiot and tell me to STFU...its offending.
But ok I forgot that Itachi didnt know about CT so maybe he didnt know all his abilities but he must have known some of that, they were both akatsuki members for a long time, they used nagato's gedo mazo to absorb the bijuus' chakra and when Kisame and Itachi fought Kakashi's and Gai's team ,they used Nagato's technique. And for example nagato has never seen susanoo probably neither he knows izanami.

nobody knew about izanami . even kishi trolled us by putting izanmi and izanagi after death of itachi. so these powers to itachi during nagato vs itachi fight will be unfair. and by the way how do u suppose to take out the best jutusu of nagato and leave him crippled and wounded to fight agnst all powerful itachi. this is total bulshit. when it comes to nagato vs itachi , nagato is with full 6 path of pain including gedo mazo for over kill.

 

[Bogard]

Nagato CANNOT break Tsukuyomi, he couldn't break Pa and Ma's genjutsu and its just that simple. Rinnegan doesn't help to break illusions. However Tsukuyomi is useless again the Six Paths of Pain, it can only affect one at a time and its effects can be easily reversed by use of the Naraka path making Itachi just wastefully throw away huge chunks of chakra, contrary to popular belief genjutsu on the paths doesn't affect Nagato or the other paths. Proof-when Jiraiya genjutsu pain's three paths, only those three were in the genjutsu. The other three and Nagato were absent.

Sound genjutsus and eye to eye genjutsu are not the same. It's as if you say that Itachi can't break through Madara's genjutsu cuz he was caught into Tayuyas sound genjutsu

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Ok, but I think I've already asked you not to say stfu or wtf or facepalm. I consider these flaming and I never use them . So can I expect you to have a normal conversation? Thanks.
But you have a point. Still, it cannot be proved that Sasuke broke out because he could or because Itachi let him. And if Itachi sensed that Sasuke couldnt break it , he wouldnt spit at Sasuke's face, but let him escape.

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Here Itachi says his tsukoyomi is unbeatable, and he doesnt say that a sharingan user with the same blood as him can break tsukoyomi,but he says that a sharingan user with the same blood can defeat him. Breaking Tsukoyomi and defeating Itachi are two different things, do not twist the words

Wiki and data book confirmed this u need both to break tsukyomi.

 

[destined 2 win]

Nagato CANNOT break Tsukuyomi, he couldn't break Pa and Ma's genjutsu and its just that simple. Rinnegan doesn't help to break illusions. However Tsukuyomi is useless again the Six Paths of Pain, it can only affect one at a time and its effects can be easily reversed by use of the Naraka path making Itachi just wastefully throw away huge chunks of chakra, contrary to popular belief genjutsu on the paths doesn't affect Nagato or the other paths. Proof-when Jiraiya genjutsu pain's three paths, only those three were in the genjutsu. The other three and Nagato were absent.

u r wrong dude. all path of pain were affected. and jiraiya also managed to kill 3 paths that he had seen. he didnt knew there were 6 peoples. so he thought he killed all pain (3 pain path he knew) bt he didnt knew there were 6 pain . so once he thought he killed all of them he stopped the genjutus and so the rest became free to revive the dead one and attack jiraiya

 

[Dacron]

When will you Nagato/pain fanboys get it through your ****ing skulls he's another uchiha **** rider who needed the power of the Uchiha to be something same goes for Danzo and Kakashi...Nagato is a ****ing uzumaki whose powers fail in comparison to that of the uchiha for example Naruto reached his peak once he mastered Sage Mode but still he needs the nine tails to even be in the same breath as Sasuke...EMS Sasuke would destroy Sage Naruto

.... fanboy....