Nagato can easily break Tsukuyomi

[Scooby Doo]

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Susanoo is only usable by people who have both tsukuyomi and amaterasu, though this fact could just be a ruse, as when tobi was called madara, to stall the revelation of other MS techs.

I had a debate yesterday and this picture was the only proof that Sasuke used tsukoyomi, but it can be a coincidence that this picture resembles tsukoyomi...one picture is not too much you know....And Itachi said that on that fateful day when amaterasu and tsukoyomi awakened, a new power awakened along with them, he didnt say you need amatersu and tsukoyomi to use susanoo.

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And here sasuke says that only those who can control the double mangekyou can use susanoo he doesnt say it has to be amaterasu and tsukoyomi....and obviously he cannot control tsukoyomi even if he has, so how can he use susanoo

 

[Maunten]

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Madara stating the powers of his little brothers eyes are now his.

Itachi gave sasuke his powers, itachis eyes gave sasuke the EMS, yet I'm using fan fiction, you make quite a few strong statements blaze which are not backed up by as much as claim.

 

[Scooby Doo]

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Madara stating the powers of his little brothers eyes are now his.

Itachi gave sasuke his powers, itachis eyes gave sasuke the EMS, yet I'm using fan fiction, you make quite a few strong statements blaze which are not backed up by as much as claim.

Then why was Itachi surprised that Sasuke can use susanoo, and how come that Itachi couldnt manipulate the black flames but sasuke can....Itachi said that on that fateful day when amaterasu and tsukoyomi awakened, a new power awakened along with them, he didnt say you need amatersu and tsukoyomi to use susanoo.

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And here sasuke says that only those who can control the double mangekyou can use susanoo he doesnt say it has to be amaterasu and tsukoyomi....and obviously he cannot control tsukoyomi even if he has, so how can he use susanoo

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[Maunten]

I had a debate yesterday and this picture was the only proof that Sasuke used tsukoyomi, but it can be a coincidence that this picture resembles tsukoyomi...one picture is not too much you know....And Itachi said that on that fateful day when amaterasu and tsukoyomi awakened, a new power awakened along with them, he didnt say you need amatersu and tsukoyomi to use susanoo.

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And here sasuke says that only those who can control the double mangekyou can use susanoo he doesnt say it has to be amaterasu and tsukoyomi....and obviously he cannot control tsukoyomi even if he has, so how can he use susanoo

So sasuke does have tsukuyomi, the logic that blaze was using would also allow someone to argue that just because itachi's control over amamterasu is not as great as sasukes that itachi is not using amamterasu.

Tsukuyomi and amaterasu are the tools which are used to form susanoo.

 

[Scooby Doo]

So sasuke does have tsukuyomi, the logic that blaze was using would also allow someone to argue that just because itachi's control over amamterasu is not as great as sasukes that itachi is not using amamterasu.

Tsukuyomi and amaterasu are the tools which are used to form susanoo.

IMO Sasuke can manipulate the black flames because its the ability of his other eye. With his left, he casts amaterasu and with the other he manipulates it. And manga has only one picture of B in genjutsu similarly drawn like tsukoyomi but it doesnt say it was tsukoyomi...and nowhere else neither.

 

[yousufnaruto]

Sharingan genjutsu is useless against Nagato for 3reasons:
- He has Rinnengan(>EMS). Itachi said MS could counter it, so Rinnengan will easily
- He can put a barrier against genjutsu and he has already shown that
- He is a sensor, and that means he doesn't need to see to know what is happening in the battlefield. If we add to that his share vision of the Rinnengan, he can't even be put in it if he wanted

I don't know about your other points but your first point is totally wrong that "Itachi said MS could counter it, so Rinnengan will easily". Itachi never said anything like this,he just said that only the man which has same blood as mine can counter tsukiyomi i.e sasuke which proved to be correct. See this

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Sasuke is able to breakthrough the tsukyomi of itachi as clearly stated here which means that only sasuke can breakthrough itachi's tsukiyomi. It is not possible for any sensory type of ninja to breakthrough it.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I don't know about your other points but your first point is totally wrong that "Itachi said MS could counter it, so Rinnengan will easily". Itachi never said anything like this,he just said that only the man which has same blood as mine can counter tsukiyomi i.e sasuke which proved to be correct. See this

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Sasuke is able to breakthrough the tsukyomi of itachi as clearly stated here which means that only sasuke can breakthrough itachi's tsukiyomi. It is not possible for any sensory type of ninja to breakthrough it.

Sorry to say this but Sasuke escaped tsukoyomi because Itachi didnt want to kill him, so he let Sasuke escape it, the whole fight was a setup.

 

[Hitoshi]

if the manga says no one but his bloodline can break free of it then the manga has spoken you have your evidence stop trying to argue with the manga

 

[Maunten]

IMO Sasuke can manipulate the black flames because its the ability of his other eye. With his left, he casts amaterasu and with the other he manipulates it. And manga has only one picture of B in genjutsu similarly drawn like tsukoyomi but it doesnt say it was tsukoyomi...and nowhere else neither.

No he get's hit twice by it, it is also used on danzo aswell, when itachi said to kakashi that only one with the blood of an uchiha can stand against the tsukuyomi it was when kakashi was going to use his sharigan gen against tsukuyomi, kakashi was unsuccessful in overcoming tsukuyomi whereas sasuke was not.

 

[Uchiha boii]

false tsukiyomi can only be beaten by the uchihas sharingan a powerful sharingan user with a strong will aka sasuke kakashi is powerful smart and has the sharingan but he still got mind ****ed nagato by himself with no paths will be tsukiyomis bitch did yu see when jiraya caught him in a genjutsu? itachi is a master at genjutsu jiraya barely knows any if nagato went thru the natural process to gain the rinnegan he might have a chance but even still he wouldnt be an uchiha jinchurikis r the only ninja who are safe from tsukiyomi because there partners wake them up

 

[-Logic-]

What a deluded little fanboy. Itachi said himself that the only way to break out of Tsukuyomi is to have the Sharingan, an Uchiha technique, and have the same blood as the caster. Don't say that he can break out of it just because the Rinnegan > Sharingan, even though it's true. Your stupidity interests me... noob.

 

[Scooby Doo]

No he get's hit twice by it, it is also used on danzo aswell, when itachi said to kakashi that only one with the blood of an uchiha can stand against the tsukuyomi it was when kakashi was going to use his sharigan gen against tsukuyomi, kakashi was unsuccessful in overcoming tsukuyomi whereas sasuke was not.

1) Who gets hit twice by it? B?
2) I've already posted this:

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see: normal genjutsu was used on danzo

 

[Uchiha boii]

Sorry to say this but Sasuke escaped tsukoyomi because Itachi didnt want to kill him, so he let Sasuke escape it, the whole fight was a setup.

sasuke escaping tsukiyomi was his doing itachi planned the outcome that doesnt mean he didnt fight hard though he had to prove sasuke was ready

 

[Maunten]

if the manga says no one but his bloodline can break free of it then the manga has spoken you have your evidence stop trying to argue with the manga

The manga can not talk, the manga can only show us events, the only spoken facts of the manga is by characters speaking of their own personal experiences, i.e madara stating hashirama defeated him, or jiraiya stating that the four tails almost killed him.

Itachi making a sweeping general statement can not apply to someone he has never fought.

 

[MasterOftheUchiha]

He can break it because the rinnegan is the evolved form of the sharingan which makes the sharingan weaker

 

[Scooby Doo]

sasuke escaping tsukiyomi was his doing itachi planned the outcome that doesnt mean he didnt fight hard though he had to prove sasuke was ready

Ok I can accept this, but it can be the other way as well IMO

 

[Raito]

The Rinnegan cannot break Tsukuyomi, but Nagato can avoid it.

 

[Scooby Doo]

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Here Itachi says that his tsukoyomi cannot be beaten, and then he says that only a sharingan user with the same blood as his can defeat him ,but he doesnt refer to tsukoyomi, he doesnt say a sharingan user with the same blood can break tsukoyomi, he just says that a sharingan user with the same blood can defeat him..So this whole debate was based on twisting the words...

 

[Maunten]

1) Who gets hit twice by it? B?
2) I've already posted this:

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see: normal genjutsu was used on danzo

Ah right ok, I did think that was a tsukuyomi, thanks for the correct, so he has only used it against bee huh, probably because of the speed that B was fighting him when he was in beast cloak mode.


Also it was only on one occasion so my bad for that as all. :ghehe:

 

[Scooby Doo]

Ah right ok, I did think that was a tsukuyomi, thanks for the correct, so he has only used it against bee huh, probably because of the speed that B was fighting him when he was in beast cloak mode.


Also it was only on one occasion so my bad for that as all. :ghehe:

No problem, but I dont think the genjutsu he used against B was a tsukoyomi, neither, But we cannot convince each other so lets leave it to Kishi to clear this up better.And:
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Here Itachi says that his tsukoyomi cannot be beaten, and then he says that only a sharingan user with the same blood as his can defeat him ,but he doesnt refer to tsukoyomi, he doesnt say a sharingan user with the same blood can break tsukoyomi, he just says that a sharingan user with the same blood can defeat him