Minato probably loses to Tobirama by now

[Draegod]

And Minato does the same thing and renders Tobirama's counter useless.

lmao Killing them!

 

[Gold Lightning]

That wasn't my point.

As soon as Tobirama does that, Minato no longer has the FTG kunai advantage. It then all comes down to their smarticles and their other techniques.

The area is still marked with Minato's kunai, he just takes out all the clones like how he wiped out all those platoons in the 3rd great ninja war. It doesn't take him long. Even if his ftg advantage is gone he still has the faster Body flicker.

 

[Draegod]

The area is still marked with Minato's kunai, he just takes out all the clones like how he wiped out all those platoons in the 3rd great ninja war. It doesn't take him long. Even if his ftg advantage is gone he still has the faster Body flicker.

^this guy has a point tobiramaryders.

 

[Touken]

The area is still marked with Minato's kunai, he just takes out all the clones like how he wiped out all those platoons in the 3rd great ninja war. It doesn't take him long. Even if his ftg advantage is gone he still has the faster Body flicker.

The area's marked with Tobirama's kunai too. He tries to blitz them, they FTG away.

His faster Shunshin is rendered obsolete due to top par reactions.

Now Tobirama has an explosion that makes Bijuu look tiny, superior chakra reserves & sensing, and Suiton.

Worst case scenario, Tobirama outlasts Minato.

 

[Draegod]

The area's marked with Tobirama's kunai too. He tries to blitz them, they FTG away.

His faster Shunshin is rendered obsolete due to top par reactions.

Now Tobirama has an explosion that makes Bijuu look tiny, superior chakra reserves & sensing, and Suiton.

Worst case scenario, Tobirama outlasts Minato.

1 ftg Kunai to 20+ minato Kunais scattered and already prepared premarked.... I think this argument should just stop...

 

[Touken]

1 ftg Kunai to 20+ minato Kunais scattered and already prepared premarked.... I think this argument should just stop...

Err, no? My original point was that he increases the number of his FTG kunai using Kage Bunshin and so Minato no longer has the advantage. We're going back and forth here pal.

 

[Ababeel]

Minato still has the better teleporting jutsu out of the two, so it's clear that he outclasses Tobirama.

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Even with the Kunais, Tobirama has only shown 1 Kunai after he took the idea from Minato.

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Minato's other jutsus are also better than Tobirama's. Even IF Tobirama has more chakra that does not mean much,
Minato was fighting A who was the second fastest shinobi who has Bijuu's level chakra, strong body, great taijutsu
and with B as well at the same time, did their amount of chakra, speed, or taijutsu helped them against Minato's superiority? No.

Also, madara was able to avoid tobirama and destroy him easily, but he couldn't dodge A.

 

[Draegod]

Err, no? My original point was that he increases the number of his FTG kunai using Kage Bunshin and so Minato no longer has the advantage. We're going back and forth here pal.

He still has to:

1. Make hand signs and clones
2. Have all the clones pull out a kunai then proceed to place a ftg mark on it (because it isnt already prepared).
3. Have them then through the kunais


meanwhile:

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And with clones multiply his kunai count by 2-20. Then picture this while you are still in step 3...

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[Touken]

My God, in the first scan he was referring to Shunshin. I've already explained in my thread that if Tobirama did what Minato did to Obito to Madara, he'd heal instantly and kill him. Add the fact that strike wasn't able to kill a weakened Obito anyway.

Took the idea from Minato? lol, he had Hiraishingiri before Minato was born. Tell me about his other jutsu, go on.
Did Ay have FTG? Something that's well beyond Ay's Shunshin?

Madara used a Rinnegan tech to beat Tobirama in CQC. If he didn't have that, he would have been destroyed.

@Draegod, all those steps probably take a maximum of 2 seconds. He can also have some clones engage Minato and stall him and have the other clones spread out the kunai.

 

[Gold Lightning]

The area's marked with Tobirama's kunai too. He tries to blitz them, they FTG away.

His faster Shunshin is rendered obsolete due to top par reactions.

Now Tobirama has an explosion that makes Bijuu look tiny, superior chakra reserves & sensing, and Suiton.

Worst case scenario, Tobirama outlasts Minato.

So Tobirama now has current Madara's feats where he can react quicker than someone who is faster than him, ok.

What explosion, list me the names of all the shinobi Tobirama can summon. Show me a scan that he already has preparations to make Edo summons. He doesn't have any!!!!! Wouldn't he have used that against those 20 fodder shinobi that killed him if he did. Unless you have a scan of Tobirama's Edo Tensei feats I suggest you pipe down.

Again with that typical tobirama hopefulness. All of you debate the same, you never have real arguments as to how Tobirama defeats Minato so you use the outlast crap. By that logic, Minato can FTG from the battle filed, take a nap and come back rejuvenated evertime he gets tired. But that's just stupid, like I said before it''s a battle of speed, it won't last long at all, whoever is faster wins.

And Minato who already has prepped Kunai, you're telling me that Tobirama can get out his one kunai, mark it, duplicate it then spread it round faster than Minato can throw his already prepped ones. Well before he can even finish all that, Minato would have been done and already blitz him for thinking his opponent will just stare as he does all that crap.

The reason Minato's FTG is so much better than Tobiramas (apart from being able to teleport more people at once) is because of the 20 + marked Kunai he carries. He doesn't need to waste any time at all, what you are saying utterly stupid and fatal to someone eho is just as fast as Tobirama. It will never work. Trying to make shadow clones in a fight like this is utterly pointless.

Edit: The guys above have even clarified the marked kunai advantage above me.

 

[Touken]

So Tobirama now has current Madara's feats where he can react quicker than someone who is faster than him, ok.

Same could be said for Minato.

What explosion, list me the names of all the shinobi Tobirama can summon. Show me a scan that he already has preparations to make Edo summons. He doesn't have any!!!!! Wouldn't he have used that against those 20 fodder shinobi that killed him if he did. Unless you have a scan of Tobirama's Edo Tensei feats I suggest you pipe down.

Wow, that's silly. Once you've summoned an Edo, you don't have to make the preparations again. Who knows if he summoned Edo against the Kinkaku Squad? He might have done but you asking me for details of an off-panel fight makes no sense.

Again with that typical tobirama hopefulness. All of you debate the same, you never have real arguments as to how Tobirama defeats Minato so you use the outlast crap. By that logic, Minato can FTG from the battle filed, take a nap and come back rejuvenated evertime he gets tired. But that's just stupid, like I said before it''s a battle of speed, it won't last long at all, whoever is faster wins.

If Minato does that then Tobirama wins via BFR.

And Minato who already has prepped Kunai, you're telling me that Tobirama can get out his one kunai, mark it, duplicate it then spread it round faster than Minato can throw his already prepped ones. Well before he can even finish all that, Minato would have been done and already blitz him for thinking his opponent will just stare as he does all that crap.

He can take out the kunai and mark it simultaneously, to duplicate it he has to make one hand seal which is something that takes less than a second and then he spreads it round. Some of his clones can stall Minato anyway, I assure you Minato isn't blitzing him in the first few seconds of the battle.

The reason Minato's FTG is so much better than Tobiramas (apart from being able to teleport more people at once) is because of the 20 + marked Kunai he carries. He doesn't need to waste any time at all, what you are saying utterly stupid and fatal to someone eho is just as fast as Tobirama. It will never work. Trying to make shadow clones in a fight like this is utterly pointless.

Yeah, I disagree.

 

[-Punk-]

Nope . Minato > Tobirama , just let it go people .

 

[Ahmed1993]

Tobirama can beat Minato now U_U

 

[Ababeel]

How much chakra would Tobirama lose just to make a lot of clones to make the Kunais for him?
On the other hand, Minato won't even lose anything from his chakra for separating the Kunais.

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

So Tobirama now has current Madara's feats where he can react quicker than someone who is faster than him, ok.

What explosion, list me the names of all the shinobi Tobirama can summon. Show me a scan that he already has preparations to make Edo summons. He doesn't have any!!!!! Wouldn't he have used that against those 20 fodder shinobi that killed him if he did. Unless you have a scan of Tobirama's Edo Tensei feats I suggest you pipe down.

Again with that typical tobirama hopefulness. All of you debate the same, you never have real arguments as to how Tobirama defeats Minato so you use the outlast crap. By that logic, Minato can FTG from the battle filed, take a nap and come back rejuvenated evertime he gets tired. But that's just stupid, like I said before it''s a battle of speed, it won't last long at all, whoever is faster wins.

And Minato who already has prepped Kunai, you're telling me that Tobirama can get out his one kunai, mark it, duplicate it then spread it round faster than Minato can throw his already prepped ones. Well before he can even finish all that, Minato would have been done and already blitz him for thinking his opponent will just stare as he does all that crap.

The reason Minato's FTG is so much better than Tobiramas (apart from being able to teleport more people at once) is because of the 20 + marked Kunai he carries. He doesn't need to waste any time at all, what you are saying utterly stupid and fatal to someone eho is just as fast as Tobirama. It will never work. Trying to make shadow clones in a fight like this is utterly pointless.

Edit: The guys above have even clarified the marked kunai advantage above me.

@ Bold
Tobirama was able to tag Juubito, after he blitzed both him and Hashirama, with 4 paper bombs and 1 Hiraishin mark.

@ Underlined
Is it not obvious that Tobirama can use the Edo Tensei? I mean it's his own justu and has been accredited to him by the two other users. He even has jutsu that work in conjunction with his Edo Tensei. And apparently he's used it before since Muu immediately recognized the jutsu and knew it was Tobirama's, further proving that he can as they were contemporaries.

Obviously no one can give you a specific list of people he can use, but it doesn't matter because he isn't using them like Kabuto who needed high level shinobi in order to fight a war.

Nidaime is going to use them as suicide bombs atleast, and seeing at how smart Tobirama is I wouldn't be surprised if he had more than one jutsu to compliment his ET.

OT: It truthfully goes either way IMO and Tobirama is my 2nd fav and Minato is my 3rd so I don't feel like I'm TOO biased, but obviously bias does exist. Whoever gets tagged first loses, but neither Minato nor Tobirama would beat the other with anything less than high dif IMO.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Same could be said for Minato.


Wow, that's silly. Once you've summoned an Edo, you don't have to make the preparations again. Who knows if he summoned Edo against the Kinkaku Squad? He might have done but you asking me for details of an off-panel fight makes no sense.

If Minato does that then Tobirama wins via BFR.

He can take out the kunai and mark it simultaneously, to duplicate it he has to make one hand seal which is something that takes less than a second and then he spreads it round. Some of his clones can stall Minato anyway, I assure you Minato isn't blitzing him in the first few seconds of the battle.

Yeah, I disagree.

Ok I'm done here.

Keep deluding yourself. Creating imaginary feats and use made up fan fiction for your arguments. All you do is speculate, at least Minato has enough feats to make a decent argument with. You continually choose to disregard manga fact and fail to acknowledge Minato's superior speed and better proficiency with FTG. You pretent Tobi has edo's with no proof, feats or evidence, you don't know if he lost his previous edo's to his opponents due to sealing, the same way Kabuto lost all his edo's, you just continue to speculate.

Kishi himself has blatantly portrayed Minato to better on more than one occasion, but continue to shrug them off and lie to yourself. The fact is not once have I seen a Tobirama fan give a legit argument as to how Tobirama beats the person who uses his signature jutsu better than he does and has superior speed. Not one single decent, not even a reasonable point. The best I've heard is "he'll out last him" - well congrats to whoever uses that BS.

At least from what I've seen from my time being on NB, majority people know Minato is just a better version of Tobirama. Whether it's base form or KCM, Tobirama cannot win. ANd don't even get me started on Bijuu mode (neg diff).

Good day.

 

[Ababeel]

=Touken;14222476]My God, in the first scan he was referring to Shunshin. I've already explained in my thread that if Tobirama did what Minato did to Obito to Madara, he'd heal instantly and kill him. Add the fact that strike wasn't able to kill a weakened Obito anyway.

Lol.
So Tobirama could have attacked directly, but he knew that madara can heal himself, so he decided to not attacking him directly, but rather give madara the opportunity to attack him, even though he "Tobirama" was going to attack with the Kunai regardless! Wow, Tobirama seems so stupid all of sudden.

Took the idea from Minato? lol, he had Hiraishingiri before Minato was born. Tell me about his other jutsu, go on.
Did Ay have FTG? Something that's well beyond Ay's Shunshin?

Yes, he had FTG giri, but he did not have tools with seals on them. Lol
A's shunshin was praised to be the greatest sped after Minato's speed. Then, Naruto and obito surpassed him as well.

Madara couldn't dodge A's shunshin, but he dodged Tobirama's easily.

Madara used a Rinnegan tech to beat Tobirama in CQC. If he didn't have that, he would have been destroyed.

he dodged Tobirama's speed without any jutsu, and he defeated him with only the black rods for all we know.

 

[EZQ]

Tobirama > Alive Minato

Minato with kiuuby (wich is a creation of edo tensei and not fair) > Tobirama

 

[Ababeel]

Tobirama > Alive Minato

Minato with kiuuby (wich is a creation of edo tensei and not fair) > Tobirama

Minato does not need Kurama to fodderize Tobirama. Lol

 

[Touken]

Ok I'm done here.

Keep deluding yourself. Creating imaginary feats and use made up fan fiction for your arguments. All you do is speculate, at least Minato has enough feats to make a decent argument with. You continually choose to disregard manga fact and fail to acknowledge Minato's superior speed and better proficiency with FTG. You pretent Tobi has edo's with no proof, feats or evidence, you don't know if he lost his previous edo's to his opponents due to sealing, the same way Kabuto lost all his edo's, you just continue to speculate.

Kishi himself has blatantly portrayed Minato to better on more than one occasion, but continue to shrug them off and lie to yourself. The fact is not once have I seen a Tobirama fan give a legit argument as to how Tobirama beats the person who uses his signature jutsu better than he does and has superior speed. Not one single decent, not even a reasonable point. The best I've heard is "he'll out last him" - well congrats to whoever uses that BS.

At least from what I've seen from my time being on NB, majority people know Minato is just a better version of Tobirama. Whether it's base form or KCM, Tobirama cannot win. ANd don't even get me started on Bijuu mode (neg diff).

Good day.

The truth hurts me.

So Tobirama could have attacked directly, but he knew that madara can heal himself, so he decided to not attacking him directly, but rather give madara the opportunity to attack him, even though he "Tobirama" was going to attack with the Kunai regardless! Wow, Tobirama seems so stupid all of sudden.

Re-read the chapter. He was lunging for his heart.

Yes, he had FTG giri, but he did not have tools with seals on them.
A's shunshin was praised to be the greatest sped after Minato's speed. Then, Naruto and obito surpassed him as well.

Madara couldn't dodge A's shunshin, but he dodged Tobirama's easily.

Current Madara >>> Edo Madara.
This Madara easily dodges Ay's Shunshin.

he dodged Tobirama's speed without any jutsu, and he defeated him with only the black rods for all we know.

I'm just gonna copy & paste some of my thread's points.

Second point, Tobirama was taken out the same way Sasuke was. You can see here that Madara was about to loose his footing and that his hands were occupied.

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Tobirama had the advantage here. But also, take note of his stance. Now, if you look at it in the middle-left panel of this page you'll see his stance is exactly the same.

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His left arm is close to his chest, his right hand outstretched and his left knee is exactly the same and his left foot is a little angled. Better close-up here in the bottom right-hand panel:

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As I said before, his hands were occupied but this Rinnegan technique requires no use of his hands as shown here:

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'for all we know'? I reckon Kishi left it to the intelligent people to deduce how Madara beat Tobirama.