Minato or Itachi ?

[enditallsin]

Def Minato his feats are WAY better than itachi's he's more OP than itachi and its obvious he's way more intelligent, Hes faster besides if their were no minato than their would be no itachi,Itachi is one of the brats that minato saved.

 

[Itawa Senju]

Minato is too goofy and childish....He also let Obito and Rin die

I'll have to say Itachi

Minato is soo not goofy, goes to show you dont know a goofy and childish charater when you see one (might gai ???) Minato has been serious this whole series from taking out obito and being shanked in the chest by kurama, then to come and get both arms smashed off by obito and madara, and he's still doing shit armless (allowing gai to land a clean hit on madara)

Itachi let his whole clan be slaughtered by himself and obito, ifreally was hokage material he would've found a resolve other than killing his entire clan apart from sasuke

 

[Chie]

If you think minato just carelessly sealed away a tailed beast within his son without thinking it through, then you are incredibly naive. He even left the key to Narutos seal I'm Jirayas hands knowing Naruto would need it in the future.

Also it's not his fault for not knowing to seal Kurama back inside Kushina, only a tailed beast could have known. And if minato didn't leave ebbing a Jinchuuriki, then the balance of power would have been jeopardised and konoha would have become weaker.

So far everything minato has done for Naruto has paid off. So thanks to minato, the ninja alliance and ninja world are reaping the benefits of Minatos actions. The guy that was praised as a once in a generation genius was not stupid.

You didn't read my former posts judging by your response. I stated that I thought both Minato and Itachi were intelligent and not failures. You most likely just read the last sentence that said "and he sealed a demon into his son and called it a day". I know he really didn't do that, I was exagerrating in order to make a point. The person I responded to bashed Itachi unfairly, so I slightly bashed Minato unfairly, so that the user would know what it feels like. Minato has been praised throughout this manga by Tsunade, Jiraiya, and many others. I know that he is largely responsible for saving Naruto and Konoha by placing that extra bit of chakra within Naruto. I also think that he is one of the most intelligent characters in the series. I even stated that it wasn't his fault about the Kushina part because he didn't know. Now I really know that you didn't read my former post.

 

[Sageflash]

I like both, but I'm going with Minato

 

[Chie]

Minato is soo not goofy,
Itachi let his whole clan be slaughtered by himself and obito, ifreally was hokage material he would've found a resolve other than killing his entire clan apart from sasuke

The ignorance in this post is astounding. Wow.
Minato is somewhat goofy like Naruto. He's emotional and he would do stupid things which in turn would cause Kushina to hit him. He's also very emotional. He's only not goofy while in battle.

Itachi was 13, gave a speech that he wasn't for the coup and his father gave up on him. No one supported him bar Shisui. Negotiation failed. There wasn't any other choice. Madara in his 30s nearly became hokage if Tobirama had not intervened, but he couldn't save his brother, nor his clan. In fact his clan completely rejected him in favor of the Senju. How would a 13 year old fix the problem when his clan is even worse than Madara's and even more hate-filled due to the many years of tension that have passed between Konoha and the Uchiha?

 

[Chie]

Def Minato his feats are WAY better than itachi's he's more OP than itachi and its obvious he's way more intelligent, Hes faster besides if their were no minato than their would be no itachi,Itachi is one of the brats that minato saved.

His feats are only better when he's an edo. He's more OP as an edo w/ the BM he didn't have while he was alive. Way more intelligent is highly debateable, I like both and actually think they're even. faster yes definitely, and Naruto would not exist if not for Itachi.

 

[the last uchiha]

itachi all day

 

[Ababeel]

On this point, once again he wasn't there for trouble. He wanted Danzo to hear of his presence so he would remember their deal. He wanted to be seen, because he knew that his presence would be reported, but he had no intentions for combat. He even warned Kurenai and Asuma twice and told them that he didn't want to fight. They started the fight and tried to attack first. Then Kakashi showed up and Itachi warned him as well. Kakashi ignored that and tried to attack Itachi. Who's fault is it really here? The Konoha jonins. Itachi even told Kisame that they should leave before it could escalate any further, Kisame and Itachi would have slaughtered them if he hadn't.

1- Even if he wasn't their to start a fight, but it did happen, and he simply damaged some of the best shinobi in konoha when they were extremely weak after their war against the Sand and Oro, no?

2- Sorry, but itachi wanted to kill Kurnai with his Kunai, but she broke the genjutsu. He also wanted to take kakashi when he ordered Kisame to do so, but then Guy appeared and stopped Kisame.

That can't be the jonins's fault because they are not supposed to know what is he thinking about. He allowed an S rank criminal like Kisame to enter the village!!

[=Chie;14776731]1. lol, I'm sorry I didn't notice. The hate is immature on both sides though.
2. Very well then. Just like Minato is a Tobirama v2, then Itachi is a Sasuke v2.

Lol, okay. XD

3. He was trying to sell of the whole "I'm a bad guy facade". Sasuke didn't even know who Naruto was at that point, nor did he have a best friend, which is why there wasn't really any harm in saying that at the time. Also, people do the opposite of the people they hate. The only reason Sasuke didn't kill Naruto back at the Valley of the End was because he remembered Itachi's words, and he despises Itachi. Reverse-psychology won here.

which was a bad Idea that he even admitted that he failed, and had he not done that, sasuke could have changed his mother and father's minds. Itachi IS the one who told sasuke to hate more and do all that stuff, and that's what resulted in every bad thing Sasuke did. In fact itachi admitted that he made Sasuke a criminal when he met him as an ET.

4. Hiruzen sent him to be a double-agent for Akatsuki. What would they have done if he said no? It would have blown his cover and they would have sent another Akatsuki to go and stop them. Naruto's group was actually lucky that Itachi was sent to them, considering that he didn't want to hurt them at all and only evaded their attacks. If that had been any other Akatsuki member, they would have been done for.

That's cool and all, but itachi is also supposedly a spy for Konoha, why did not he told them at that time about anything he knows about the Akatsuki? Wouldn't that have saved konoha a lot of terrible?

5. He was 13, negotiations failed, Fugaku was stubborn and misguided, Hiruzen was too lenient, and Danzo was a jerk. He even gave a speech which was shown in pt1 that essentially told that he wasn't for the coup, but his father didn't care and gave up on him. He had no choice and the situation was hopeless. He saved more lives and the Uchiha were done either way. Madara who was well into his 30s failed to save his brother and his clan, how is a 13 year old going to save a clan that is even more hate-filled than Madara's due to the years of tension that have gone by between Konoha and the Uchiha?

As I said, itachi is the one who did not trust Sasuke's abilities, and you can see that in his talk with Sasuke after Kabuto's defeat. Not to mention as HE admitted as well to both Naruto & Sasuke, that he was arrogant and thought that he can do everything by himself, and that's was his own failure by his own mouth.

6. That's a terrible reason. Kisame was about to rip Deidara apart and force him to join anyway, Deidara didn't even have an option. Itachi just stopped a fight from ensuing.

it does not matter, he is the one who did it at the end of the day. You can't do something bad because of a reason like "If i did not do it, someone else will" Should I go and steal other people's stuff because if I did not steal them, someone else will do it? Also, if Kisame and Deidara fought, that will actually will be better because there will be a possibility that either one will die, or both, or at least they will injure each other. U_U

7. He didn't even know who Madara was. How is that a failure? That's like saying Minato is a fail because he could have saved both himself and Kushina and Naruto would have been a better ninja due to having a family and better training, but Minato didn't know that Kushina would live if he resealed Kurama into her. Neither failed.

Because he is supposedly going to stop the ET, but when he defeated Kabuto with his brother, it was already too late
because the ET were already defeated or sealed except madara, Kimmimaro, and Chiyo. The only threat was madara, who freed himself because of what itachi did as I said. U_U

As for the part you said is actually a retcon from kishi's part because it was actually stated that even resealing the Bijuu wont make the host live, but rather both will die, and that was stated by Kushina herself, but kishi changed that later, so it would fit in Naruto's case.

Itachi wasn't even there to kidnap Naruto, the manga confirmed that. He was there to make sure that Danzo would hear of his presence and that Sasuke would be safe from him. It worked. Itachi continuously made excuses throughout that trip, Itachi could have turned around and amaterasu'd Jiraiya instead of the wall, he is no match for Itachi. Itachi was assigned to capture Naruto and he knew how to get into Konoha anytime he wanted. If he wanted Naruto, he would have taken him. But he didn't and therefore Naruto was spared from Akatsuki's wrath while he was alive. He also saved both Naruto and Bee from Edo Nagato.

I actually was talking about the hotel. Itachi used his genjutsu on a random woman to take Jman away from Naruto, no?

- lol, no. Jiraiya is stronger than itachi as itachi admitted himself. Also, it's easy said than done.

They were safe when he protected them from a world war and when he made sure their jinchurikki wasn't captured. He cannot save them from everything, Hiruzen didn't want to kill Oro when he had several chances to do so and as a result Konoha suffered, not really Itachi's fault. Kakazu and hidan? If Itachi stopped him he would blow his cover and all the Akatsuki would gang up on him. He's be done for.

again, Jiraiya was the one who's protecting Naruto, not itachi. As for oro's part, it seems you forgot that itachi also
had chances to do so when he fought Oro, and he did not.

- Why would the Akatsuki gang up on him? Kakuzu killed a lot of the Akatsuki's members as he said, did anyone
attack him? No.

Itachi had better intelligence feats when he planned out his entire life as a 13 year old whereas Minato just sealed a demon into his son and called it a day.

lol, his entire like?
What itachi did is make Sasuke a criminal, and he hoped that he will return after all his crimes to konoha without a problems. lol

he put an Amatersu inside of Sasuke's eyes, and that's about it, and he failed to save Sasuke from obito.

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Minato sealed Kurama inside Naruto, and he put his and Kushina's chakra inside of him to protect him. He succeeded in both times.

that's beside other stuff, but I got tired already. ~.~

 

[Deathwink]

minato shits on itachi

 

[RicardoA]

No. His clan was dying either way. It was either, a) hey the village can demolish you and your entire clan in war for being traitors and you all can be disgraced for all eternity or b) you can kill them and make their deaths as painless as possible and no one will ever know that they were greedy/against the village and you can take on everything by yourself & be hated as the bad guy when in reality you were the good guy and saved the world from war.

Itachi made the logical choice in pretty much every cirumstance. The problem is that in every cirumstance life threw at him, his choices always sucked and there was always going to be a downfall to them.

ot: Itachi is more of a hero to me than Minato & more interesting as a character, so him.

Not really.
Danzo talked Itachi into thinking Hiruzen would be ok w/ genocide in case a coup happened, but we all know that doesn't fit Hiruzen's persona. He should've known better than cooperating with a militarist like Danzo.
Had he used diplomacy and sided with Hiruzen, a peaceful resolution could've been achieved. His problem lied in his feelings, he cared for Sasuke more than anything, then the village and lastly the clan.
He did what he did to ensure Sasuke's safety, Danzo kinda balckmailed him when he put Sasuke's safety into question.
The moment his feelings influenced his decisions he stoped being logical.

 

[Chie]

1- Even if he wasn't their to start a fight, but it did happen, and he simply damaged some of the best shinobi in konoha when they were extremely weak after their war against the Sand and Oro, no?

2- Sorry, but itachi wanted to kill Kurnai with his Kunai, but she broke the genjutsu. He also wanted to take kakashi when he ordered Kisame to do so, but then Guy appeared and stopped Kisame.

That can't be the jonins's fault because they are not supposed to know what is he thinking about. He allowed an S rank criminal like Kisame to enter the village!!

Lol, okay. XD


which was a bad Idea that he even admitted that he failed, and had he not done that, sasuke could have changed his mother and father's minds. Itachi IS the one who told sasuke to hate more and do all that stuff, and that's what resulted in every bad thing Sasuke did. In fact itachi admitted that he made Sasuke a criminal when he met him as an ET.


That's cool and all, but itachi is also supposedly a spy for Konoha, why did not he told them at that time about anything he knows about the Akatsuki? Wouldn't that have saved konoha a lot of terrible?

As I said, itachi is the one who did not trust Sasuke's abilities, and you can see that in his talk with Sasuke after Kabuto's defeat. Not to mention as HE admitted as well to both Naruto & Sasuke, that he was arrogant and thought that he can do everything by himself, and that's was his own failure by his own mouth.

it does not matter, he is the one who did it at the end of the day. You can't do something bad because of a reason like "If i did not do it, someone else will" Should I go and steal other people's stuff because if I did not steal them, someone else will do it? Also, if Kisame and Deidara fought, that will actually will be better because there will be a possibility that either one will die, or both, or at least they will injure each other. U_U

Because he is supposedly going to stop the ET, but when he defeated Kabuto with his brother, it was already too late
because the ET were already defeated or sealed except madara, Kimmimaro, and Chiyo. The only threat was madara, who freed himself because of what itachi did as I said. U_U

As for the part you said is actually a retcon from kishi's part because it was actually stated that even resealing the Bijuu wont make the host live, but rather both will die, and that was stated by Kushina herself, but kishi changed that later, so it would fit in Naruto's case.

I actually was talking about the hotel. Itachi used his genjutsu on a random woman to take Jman away from Naruto, no?

- lol, no. Jiraiya is stronger than itachi as itachi admitted himself. Also, it's easy said than done.

again, Jiraiya was the one who's protecting Naruto, not itachi. As for oro's part, it seems you forgot that itachi also
had chances to do so when he fought Oro, and he did not.

- Why would the Akatsuki gang up on him? Kakuzu killed a lot of the Akatsuki's members as he said, did anyone
attack him? No.

lol, his entire like?
What itachi did is make Sasuke a criminal, and he hoped that he will return after all his crimes to konoha without a problems. lol

he put an Amatersu inside of Sasuke's eyes, and that's about it, and he failed to save Sasuke from obito.

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Minato sealed Kurama inside Naruto, and he put his and Kushina's chakra inside of him to protect him. He succeeded in both times.

that's beside other stuff, but I got tired already. ~.~

1. He only damaged Kakashi and that wasn't even physically. He put him into a coma. Kid Sasuke woke up from Tsukyomi within a five days. Kakashi would have as well. He had to fight them because he had to keep on being a double spy. Kisame was right there. How would he react if he saw Itachi being nice to them?

2. Still being a double spy. He's not going to give them a hug.

3. That was a regretful Itachi talking. He stated that a seven year old Sasuke who doesn't even know what the word coup means would be able to change the mind of an entire clan that has been dead-set on having complete political power in Konoha since the days of Tobirama and Madara. I don't see that happening, especially when Itachi (the clan leader's own son), Shisui (one of the most prominent and trusted members), and Hiruzen (the most beloved hokage) all failed to do that. He made the right choice given the circumstance, but he couldn't help wondering what would have been throughout his life if he hadn't. Nonetheless, he still made the more logical choice.

4. You don't know what he told Hiruzen. Also, after hiruzen died he had no one to even report to considering that Tsunade didn't know the truth.

5. Not saying he didn't fail. But he certainly didn't fail as much as your saying and I don't think Minato did either.

6. Totally different. This is a shinobi world with different morals and conduct. Kisame is considerably stronger than Deidara and would have wrecked him, but not killed him because they still wanted him. Itachi was a pacifist and hated fighting, no matter what the situation. Deidara was going to join either way, what's the point of even having a fight if that's the case? And if they get injured they'll just be healed, they're working for the same organization lol.

7. Regardless if Minato's case is a retcon or not, it still happened. You cannot make that excuse. It's not a shinobi's fault for not stopping something that they don't know exists.

8. Databook gave Itachi a higher score in everything, bar stamina. Itachi is stronger and it was proven that he was making excuses throughout that trip. He wanted to make his presence known then get out. If he wanted to, he would have turned around and completely covered Jiraiya in amaterasu who was standing not more than 8 feet away from him, but he didn't.

9. Because Kakazu is known to be violent. Itachi is known to be calm. They would suspect something if Itachi just randomly started killing off members and cutting down their power. It also doesn't help that he was an Anbu captain, the Akatsuki could probably put two and two together.

10. The amaterasu activation failed, because when he looked at Obito's eyes, he cocked his head which caused it to hit his shoulders instead. Then Obito used izanagi which Itachi had no idea Obito knew how to use. He saved Sasuke from Danzo while he was alive as well as from war/dying w/ the rest of the clan.

 

[MinaButt]

So much long conversations. I pick Minato lol

 

[Chie]

Not really.
Danzo talked Itachi into thinking Hiruzen would be ok w/ genocide in case a coup happened, but we all know that doesn't fit Hiruzen's persona. He should've known better than cooperating with a militarist like Danzo.
Had he used diplomacy and sided with Hiruzen, a peaceful resolution could've been achieved. His problem lied in his feelings, he cared for Sasuke more than anything, then the village and lastly the clan.
He did what he did to ensure Sasuke's safety, Danzo kinda balckmailed him when he put Sasuke's safety into question.
The moment his feelings influenced his decisions he stoped being logical.

That's not really true either. It was stated that peace negotiations had been going on but failed by Obito. They didn't like Hiruzen and felt betrayed by him due to being spied upon during his reign. You're just trying to oversimplify an age-old problem that had been going on for decades. Hiruzen himself stated that Itachi made the right choice and that he was able to look past the limited clan perspective. He agreed with what Itachi did and thought of him as a hero for preventing war. Hiruzen also knew that Danzo had a big part in the massacre, but guess what he did to him? Nothing, he didn't bother to demote him and Danzo happily kept his position for years later. It was also obvious that the point of negotiation has ended once no one in the clan sided with Itachi after the little speech he gave in front of his father, bar Shisui. Then Shisui had to resort to attempting a KA. Also, the manga and the databook state that Itachi himself chose reason over emotion. His emotion was for his clan, it was his family, friends, etc and he loved it. His reason was that he knew a war would result with the Uchiha's coup and he saved more lives by eliminating them, besides they were done either way.

 

[enditallsin]

His feats are only better when he's an edo. He's more OP as an edo w/ the BM he didn't have while he was alive. Way more intelligent is highly debateable, I like both and actually think they're even. faster yes definitely, and Naruto would not exist if not for Itachi.

Minato's has better feat's than itachi alive and edo,itachi when he was alive couldn't even take down a clan without help, minato wiped out a entire army in the blink a eye(despite the fact that konaha was losing) ,and since when has itachi counter acted ANY attack as large as a ttb? since when has itachi ever been in battle with two ninjas as powerful as bee and ay at the same time? and btw we're talking about alive feats),minato was the only man that was able to single handily put obito on his ass, wound him and take strip control of the kurama at the same time despite the fact he was trained by madara uchiha,what did itachi do with obito? negotiate that's what,what feat does itachi have that matches that?(were still talking about alive btw I haven't even begun with edo feats yets lol)you say that naruto wouldn't exist if not for itachi?its the least itachi could do since itachi wouldn't exist without minato.

 

[Gein]

Minato for me.
Itachi is too serious and boring. People give him too much credit. His whole personality is just unappealing.
I don't really like any Uchiha.

 

[Chie]

Minato's has better feat's than itachi alive and edo,itachi when he was alive couldn't even take down a clan without help, minato wiped out a entire army in the blink a eye(despite the fact that konaha was losing) ,and since when has itachi counter acted ANY attack as large as a ttb? since when has itachi ever been in battle with two ninjas as powerful as bee and ay at the same time? and btw we're talking about alive feats),minato was the only man that was able to single handily put obito on his ass, wound him and take strip control of the kurama at the same time despite the fact he was trained by madara uchiha,what did itachi do with obito? negotiate that's what,what feat does itachi have that matches that?(were still talking about alive btw I haven't even begun with edo feats yets lol)you say that naruto wouldn't exist if not for itachi?its the least itachi could do since itachi wouldn't exist without minato.

Well that's your opinion. And I actually agree with most of it lol.

 

[RicardoA]

That's not really true either. It was stated that peace negotiations had been going on but failed by Obito. They didn't like Hiruzen and felt betrayed by him due to being spied upon during his reign. You're just trying to oversimplify an age-old problem that had been going on for decades. Hiruzen himself stated that Itachi made the right choice and that he was able to look past the limited clan perspective. He agreed with what Itachi did and thought of him as a hero for preventing war. Hiruzen also knew that Danzo had a big part in the massacre, but guess what he did to him? Nothing, he didn't bother to demote him and Danzo happily kept his position for years later. It was also obvious that the point of negotiation has ended once no one in the clan sided with Itachi after the little speech he gave in front of his father, bar Shisui. Then Shisui had to resort to attempting a KA. Also, the manga and the databook state that Itachi himself chose reason over emotion. His emotion was for his clan, it was his family, friends, etc and he loved it. His reason was that he knew a war would result with the Uchiha's coup and he saved more lives by eliminating them, besides they were done either way.

Paragraphs... i need paragraphs _@:
The negotiations were failling because of Danzo and the elders' attitude regarding a subject that involved Konoha's safety. They don't take chances and certainly don't care about people, only the village matters to them, the greater good.
I agree it was mostly Hiruzen's lenient attitude that caused all this, but lets not forget the question at hand. The op wanted to know who's more likeable, Minato or Itachi.
Like i said, i don't particularly like either, but i choose Minato over Itachi. Different personalities and different ways to make things happen, i just happen to like Minato better.

 

[Chie]

Minato's has better feat's than itachi alive and edo,itachi when he was alive couldn't even take down a clan without help, minato wiped out a entire army in the blink a eye(despite the fact that konaha was losing) ,and since when has itachi counter acted ANY attack as large as a ttb? since when has itachi ever been in battle with two ninjas as powerful as bee and ay at the same time? and btw we're talking about alive feats),minato was the only man that was able to single handily put obito on his ass, wound him and take strip control of the kurama at the same time despite the fact he was trained by madara uchiha,what did itachi do with obito? negotiate that's what,what feat does itachi have that matches that?(were still talking about alive btw I haven't even begun with edo feats yets lol)you say that naruto wouldn't exist if not for itachi?its the least itachi could do since itachi wouldn't exist without minato.

However, now that I think about it... (I'm a fan of both Minato and Itachi, so don't accuse me of being one of those Itachi fans from your sig)
Minato wouldn't be able to take down an entire clan without help either, it's not as if he can spread his kunai around every area of the Uchiha compound and have them not notice and finish off everyone at night. It's not an open field like the wars he has been in. Itachi pulled up his susanno so fast that he managed to save himself before kirin could strike...that's as close as it's gonna get and Yata Mirror would have a good chance of deflecting it. Obviously he and everyone else in Akatsuki has some way of dealing with them considering that Kisame asked Itachi if he wanted to be the one to take down Roshi, who carried the 4-tails, however, Itachi refused. The best Minato could do in that fight was stalemate w/ an inexperienced w/ Hachibi Killer Bee and the sad thing was that he at first didn't notice that Bee was holding a kunai ready to kill him at the same moment as well. The best he could do with Obito was damage his zetsu arm and then Kushina was the one who restrained Kurama w/ her chakra chains, not Minato. By the way, you're comparing a 13 year old Itachi to a 26 year old Minato. Good job.

 

[mohdzarif]

I like both. But Itachi's story life makes me prefer him more.

To all you people, both of them are good characters, don't unleash your fanboyism by insulting one of them.

 

[Smd]

minato shits on itachi

and then you wake up and find out itachi neg diff minato via genjutsu