This thread isn't Zabuza vs Mangetsu, NOT about who would win between them. It's about me saying Zabuza is more effective and can beat more ninja shown in the series than Mangetsu, so I'm trying to say Zabuza is overall stronger when against different ninja, not eachother. People don't understand this. It's like Guy and Kisame, Guy can beat Kisame, but Kisame is still overall more effective against other ninjas, in this case Mangetsu is Guy, and Zabuza is Kisame.
I don't understand why people think he was the strongest, (excluding Kisame). Oh and please read this or you won't agree.
Yea ok he mastered all seven swords, big deal. I find it hard to believe that other members such as Ameyuri Ringo and two Anbu members, Zabuza and Kushimaru couldn't master all the swords besides Samehada. I bet they just picked a favorite or a sword that best suits their abilities.
Mangetsu when he was alive wielded the Haramekarei, not even one of the strongest swords.... This is evident because the other members already wielded the other six.
Mangetsu mastering Samehada basically only shows he has high chakra reserves, that's basically it, no other feats from the other swords other than the obvious, good chakra control.
Mangetsu is strong, true, but all he has else other than Silent Killing is the Hydrification technique, we might be able to assume he has some of Suigetsu's abilites, but he died so early in his life, so I don't know. I guess we can say he can make his arm stronger using his KG to wield a blade easier.
So, Mangetsu has very good kenjutsu, silent killing (he can't use Hidden Mist Jutsu, so his SK is basically useless in battle, hydrification technique, large chakra reserves, and can enlarge his arm.
Now personally, I think Zabuza is the strongest. He has at least the same skills in Kenjutsu as Mangetsu, (4.5/5, the same as Kisame's according to DB). Also, he was noted the best at Silent Killing, so great that Kakashi even noted, "no one compared to him". He was the only one in the group able to use the Hidden Mist Jutsu, and he used it so great it was his signature. Not only that, but he could also use Water Clone, Water Prison, Water Dragon, and Giant Vortex Jutsu.
Also, Zabuza still had incredible strength, even able to wield the Kubikiribocho with one hand with ease, something Mangetsu would have to use his KG to enlargen his arm for.
Plus, Mangetsu wasn't even an Anbu member, an accomplishment and special rank Zabuza achieved.
So to summerize this up, Zabuza is the best at Silent Killing and Hidden Mist Jutsu, a jutsu only he possessed in the group, already incredible strength, high chakra reserves(not as high as Mangetsu), very fast, and great large scale Suiton techs and two other tactical Suiton techs.
True Mangetsu would beat Zabuza due to Zabuza revolving around Suiton, but overall, Zabuza is the stronger of the two when facing other opponents shown in the series, so he is the strongest one of the group.
I don't understand why people think he was the strongest, (excluding Kisame). Oh and please read this or you won't agree.
Yea ok he mastered all seven swords, big deal. I find it hard to believe that other members such as Ameyuri Ringo and two Anbu members, Zabuza and Kushimaru couldn't master all the swords besides Samehada. I bet they just picked a favorite or a sword that best suits their abilities.
Mangetsu when he was alive wielded the Haramekarei, not even one of the strongest swords.... This is evident because the other members already wielded the other six.
Mangetsu mastering Samehada basically only shows he has high chakra reserves, that's basically it, no other feats from the other swords other than the obvious, good chakra control.
Mangetsu is strong, true, but all he has else other than Silent Killing is the Hydrification technique, we might be able to assume he has some of Suigetsu's abilites, but he died so early in his life, so I don't know. I guess we can say he can make his arm stronger using his KG to wield a blade easier.
So, Mangetsu has very good kenjutsu, silent killing (he can't use Hidden Mist Jutsu, so his SK is basically useless in battle, hydrification technique, large chakra reserves, and can enlarge his arm.
Now personally, I think Zabuza is the strongest. He has at least the same skills in Kenjutsu as Mangetsu, (4.5/5, the same as Kisame's according to DB). Also, he was noted the best at Silent Killing, so great that Kakashi even noted, "no one compared to him". He was the only one in the group able to use the Hidden Mist Jutsu, and he used it so great it was his signature. Not only that, but he could also use Water Clone, Water Prison, Water Dragon, and Giant Vortex Jutsu.
Also, Zabuza still had incredible strength, even able to wield the Kubikiribocho with one hand with ease, something Mangetsu would have to use his KG to enlargen his arm for.
Plus, Mangetsu wasn't even an Anbu member, an accomplishment and special rank Zabuza achieved.
So to summerize this up, Zabuza is the best at Silent Killing and Hidden Mist Jutsu, a jutsu only he possessed in the group, already incredible strength, high chakra reserves(not as high as Mangetsu), very fast, and great large scale Suiton techs and two other tactical Suiton techs.
True Mangetsu would beat Zabuza due to Zabuza revolving around Suiton, but overall, Zabuza is the stronger of the two when facing other opponents shown in the series, so he is the strongest one of the group.
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