Mangetsu is NOT the strongest Seven Ninja Swordsmen

[ShaneEyyy]

>States mangetsu isn't the strongest
>states zabuza is
> states mangetsu can beat zabuza
>doesn't realize he's contradicting himself

Haha you are so ignorant, I said OVERALL when facing other opponents, Guy beat Kisame, but you think Guy is overall the stronger one and can beat more of the opponents Kisame can?? no way

 

[Lightbringer]

I already know he has the hydrification technique, im assuming you didnt read my thread?

Hiramekarei is stronger, but it isnt, "far stronger" Kubikiribocho still is the size of it, if not larger and can rebuild.

It doesnt matter which one he wields? dude......he wielded the HirameKarei...end of story bro

Hiramekarei is miles better than Kubikiribocho.....

The Kubikiribocho is just a sword that regenerates

The Hiramekarei is like the green lanterns ring

and yeah I read your thread, and I think fighting someone with hydrification tech is far harder than silent killing.....

you talk about silent killing as if it were like KA, which is simply not the case

 

[Raiin]

Zabuza is my favorite of the 7 Ninja Swordsman; however, Mangetsu is the strongest.

 

[~Puppet Master~]

Well no shit.......and you're a Sasori fanboy, which I can tell by you're avatar.....don't be a hipocrit and an ass

Just the fact that you're a Zabuza fan, and you say that Zabuza is the strongest, makes it a far less plausible thread. Not impossible, but less likely. Also because I've never seen you post anything that doesn't involve Zabuza.

That's why...

Besides, we barely know anything about him, so you can't just say that Zabuza is > Mangetsu since he was so hyped, we never really saw anything of him.

 

[Owarij]

Haha you are so ignorant, I said OVERALL when facing other opponents, Guy beat Kisame, but you think Guy is overall the stronger one and can beat more of the opponents Kisame can?? no way

So do you think zabuza can beat ringo? because mangetsu can

 

[-Blade-]

Mangetsu would own Zabuza point blank period

 

[TheBrightSide]

Mangetsu was stated to be a master of all swords and physical attacks arent doing much. On top of that, Zabuza has the weakest sword of them all. Zabuza would get annihilated by Kisame without question and probably Mangetsu as well although we know next to nothing about him. Zabuza wasnt that strong. Sorry.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Hiramekarei is miles better than Kubikiribocho.....

The Kubikiribocho is just a sword that regenerates

The Hiramekarei is like the green lanterns ring

and yeah I read your thread, and I think fighting someone with hydrification tech is far harder than silent killing.....

you talk about silent killing as if it were like KA, which is simply not the case

Oh really.....if Mangetsu faced a fire or lightning nature ninja, he'd be screwed. Well for fire, if the technique is strong enough he'd turn to that jello-like state, if its lightning he'd be paralyzed. That being said out of the 5 main chakra natures, he screwed agaisnt 2. Zabuza's mist is only screwed against 1, the wind nature. So the mist is more effective...

When you say "far more than -----" you are just trying to make your point look so much better......the Kubikiribocho would be able to hold against the HirameKarei, at least for a while.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Mangetsu was stated to be a master of all swords and physical attacks arent doing much. On top of that, Zabuza has the weakest sword of them all. Zabuza would get annihilated by Kisame without question and probably Mangetsu as well although we know next to nothing about him. Zabuza wasnt that strong. Sorry.

So you're saying we barely know anything about Mangetsu, but he destroys Zabuza? Smart.

All we know is that he mastered all of the swords, so what! He only used the HirameKarei anyway, its not like he carried all 7 with him and he could use anyone at anytime.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

So do you think zabuza can beat ringo? because mangetsu can

Ringo would destory Mangetsu are you shitting me??? Darui used his lightning nature on Suigetsu who also has the hydrification technique, Suigetsu then couldn't move because he got paralyzed. Ringo has lightning nature swords, she would paralyze Mangetsu.......

 

[TheBrightSide]

So you're saying we barely know anything about Mangetsu, but he destroys Zabuza? Smart.

All we know is that he mastered all of the swords, so what! He only used the HirameKarei anyway, its not like he carried all 7 with him and he could use anyone at anytime.

Lol you couldnt justify Zabuza to even be in the top 50 of Narutoverse and you state in a thread hes the strongest of the 7 swordsmen of the hidden mist? Smart.
It doesnt take much thinking to see Zabuza cant win. He simply has no way to actually kill Mangetsu. He possesses no attacks strong enough to truly harm Mangetsu in the slightest and not even a lightning attack to immobilize him. And you can be damn sure Mangetsu has some water jutsu as well it would be asinine to think otherwise. And considering Mangetsu mastered all seven swords, he is presumably better in kenjutsu than Zabuza as well.
Edit: Not to mention you describe hidden mist jutsu/silent killing as being the be all/end all jutsu of all battles.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Wasn't it confirmed somewhere that Mangetsu was the strongest out of all the 7 Swordsmen?

Zabuza was definitely one of the strongest of the 7, but we can assume that Mangetsu was the strongest due to the fact he had mastered all seven swords.
He most likely knew other techniques such as Water Prison, Water Dragon and Water Gun Technique.

Mangetsu would win most (if not all) fights against Zabuza.

Yea Mangetsu would win every single fight, however I'm trying to say overall Zabuza can beat more people if he would be matched up with other ninjas shown in the series.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Lol you couldnt justify Zabuza to even be in the top 50 of Narutoverse and you state in a thread hes the strongest of the 7 swordsmen of the hidden mist? Smart.
It doesnt take much thinking to see Zabuza cant win. He simply has no way to actually kill Mangetsu. He possesses no attacks strong enough to truly harm Mangetsu in the slightest and not even a lightning attack to immobilize him. And you can be damn sure Mangetsu has some water jutsu as well it would be asinine to think otherwise. And considering Mangetsu mastered all seven swords, he is presumably better in kenjutsu than Zabuza as well.

You are not bright at all, ill correct your thoughts:

1. Mangetsu would defeat Zabuza 10/10 times, but im saying Zabuza's fighting style is more affective against OTHER ninja in the narutoverse if he would be matched up against them.

2. And you can't be damn sure Mangetsu has other Suiton techs like the ones Zabuza and Kisame possess because not even Suigetsu shown Suiton techs outside of his KG

3. Nah I say they are the same at Kenjutsu, give Zabuza his sword, Mangetsu has Hiramekarei, and yea no ones getting beat out, at least for a while bc i do admit the HK is stronger.

Now beat it

 

[Pekoms]

I don't understand why people think he was the strongest, (excluding Kisame). Oh and please read this or you won't agree.

Still don't agree.

Mangetsu when he was alive wielded the Haramekarei, not even one of the strongest swords.... This is evident because the other members already wielded the other six.

Nothing is as evident as you suppose.
Haramekarei offers much more versatility (impact or cutting).

Mangetsu mastering Samehada basically only shows he has high chakra reserves, that's basically it, no other feats from the other swords other than the obvious, good chakra control.

Samehada has to select who can wield it.

Mangetsu is strong, true, but all he has else other than Silent Killing is the Hydrification technique, we might be able to assume he has some of Suigetsu's abilites, but he died so early in his life, so I don't know. I guess we can say he can make his arm stronger using his KG to wield a blade easier.

It isn't Kekkei Genkai, it's classified as Hiden.
He can shoot drops of water like bullets.
He is immune to Taijutsu, Kenjutsu and Suiton.

Now personally, I think Zabuza is the strongest. He has at least the same skills in Kenjutsu as Mangetsu, (4.5/5, the same as Kisame's according to DB). Also, he was noted the best at Silent Killing, so great that Kakashi even noted, "no one compared to him". He was the only one in the group able to use the Hidden Mist Jutsu, and he used it so great it was his signature. Not only that, but he could also use Water Clone, Water Prison, Water Dragon, and Giant Vortex Jutsu.

There is no Kenjutsu category in the Databooks.

Also, Zabuza still had incredible strength, even able to wield the Kubikiribocho with one hand with ease, something Mangetsu would have to use his KG to enlargen his arm for.

What does that have to do with anything? In the end, they can both wield the blade.

Plus, Mangetsu wasn't even an Anbu member, an accomplishment and special rank Zabuza achieved.

We don't know what he was.
Zabuza wasn't the only ANBU member.

Zabuza doesn't want to get hit by Raiton either.

Face it, Mangetsu's got more going for him, in any fight.

 

[TheBrightSide]

You are not bright at all, ill correct your thoughts:

1. Mangetsu would defeat Zabuza 10/10 times, but im saying Zabuza's fighting style is more affective against OTHER ninja in the narutoverse if he would be matched up against them.

2. And you can't be damn sure Mangetsu has other Suiton techs like the ones Zabuza and Kisame possess because not even Suigetsu shown Suiton techs outside of his KG

3. Nah I say they are the same at Kenjutsu, give Zabuza his sword, Mangetsu has Hiramekarei, and yea no ones getting beat out, at least for a while bc i do admit the HK is stronger.

Now beat it

You are the one that argued for Zabuza in the first place. And yes i forgot your abilities must be the same as your brother or other relative. Completely explains why Sasuke has lightning while Itachi has water. This is the supposed strongest member of the seven swordsmen of the hidden mist. Much more renowned then his brother. If you want to think he had no elemental justu much less suiton then suit yourself. Lastly saying Zabuza's kenjutsu is on par with the strongest member of the whole group who mastered all the swords is laughable. Especially considering he has a much better sword. Now beat it? On an internet forum. Wow.

 

[Lightbringer]

Oh really.....if Mangetsu faced a fire or lightning nature ninja, he'd be screwed. Well for fire, if the technique is strong enough he'd turn to that jello-like state, if its lightning he'd be paralyzed. That being said out of the 5 main chakra natures, he screwed agaisnt 2. Zabuza's mist is only screwed against 1, the wind nature. So the mist is more effective...

When you say "far more than -----" you are just trying to make your point look so much better......the Kubikiribocho would be able to hold against the HirameKarei, at least for a while.

All we know is that he mastered all of the swords, so what! He only used the HirameKarei anyway, its not like he carried all 7 with him and he could use anyone at anytime.[/QUOTE]



Lol water nature type counters fire nature type!

and yeah.....the Hiramekarei is far better

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Zabuza has the weakest sword out of all of them period! It has no special properties aside for regenerating, it might as well be just a regular blade

Jinchpachi has a blade that explodes on contact

Ringo shoots lightning

Akebino has a blade that destroys all defenses...so it can't be blocked

and even though the anime is not the most reliable source, but seeing as though the manga never showed the swordsmen fight and the anime did....I'd say it's pretty reliable how it depicts them

.....and each of them outclassed zabuza, killing the alliance like they were nothing

 

[ImNotScared]

lmaoooo

What the hell is this?

 

[ShaneEyyy]

You are the one that argued for Zabuza in the first place. And yes i forgot your abilities must be the same as your brother or other relative. Completely explains why Sasuke has lightning while Itachi has water. This is the supposed strongest member of the seven swordsmen of the hidden mist. Much more renowned then his brother. If you want to think he had no elemental justu much less suiton then suit yourself. Lastly saying Zabuza's kenjutsu is on par with the strongest member of the whole group who mastered all the swords is laughable. Especially considering he has a much better sword. Now beat it? On an internet forum. Wow.

I argued that Zabuza was overall better suited for different opponents, im assuming your some little kid who can't understand many things.

And no he isnt the strongest member, Zabuza is.

Zabuza is on par.......not with other swords but if he was up against the Hiramekarei, hed have enough strength and skill to hold his own

I didn't mean 'beat it' as in 'go away', i meant 'beat it' as in I wanted you to do Michael Jackson's dance of Beat It.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Still don't agree.



Nothing is as evident as you suppose.
Haramekarei offers much more versatility (impact or cutting).



Samehada has to select who can wield it.



It isn't Kekkei Genkai, it's classified as Hiden.
He can shoot drops of water like bullets.
He is immune to Taijutsu, Kenjutsu and Suiton.



There is no Kenjutsu category in the Databooks.



What does that have to do with anything? In the end, they can both wield the blade.



We don't know what he was.
Zabuza wasn't the only ANBU member.

Zabuza doesn't want to get hit by Raiton either.

Face it, Mangetsu's got more going for him, in any fight.

Eh nah, Zabuza does

 

[TheBrightSide]

I argued that Zabuza was overall better suited for different opponents, im assuming your some little kid who can't understand many things.

And no he isnt the strongest member, Zabuza is.

Zabuza is on par.......not with other swords but if he was up against the Hiramekarei, hed have enough strength and skill to hold his own

I didn't mean 'beat it' as in 'go away', i meant 'beat it' as in I wanted you to do Michael Jackson's dance of Beat It.

Hahahahahahaha you saying Zabuza is the strongest member is my cue to leave the thread. There is no point in further arguing with an EXTREMELY deluded fanboy. I guess i will go try to learn and be as intelligent as you are i suppose. You are beginning to contradict yourself to the point where im questioning whether or not youre trolling. And that joke wasnt funny. At all.