[Theory] Madara Twist

[TheBadMojo]

I support the fact that the 6th coffin is in fact madara's body.. and agree that madara used Zetsu's ability to clone someone right down to their chakra to keep himself alive.

 

[Maina Deah]

yeah it seems Madara isn't human anymore he's like Piccolo who can re-grow his limbs. There's much to know about Madara aka Tobi

 

[Shogi]

But if he's not Madara he doesn't have a mass disposal of Sharingan. A dead Uchiha's Sharingan would be deactivated and if his stolen Sharingan are always activated he would need to take them from a living Uchiha.

I've been starting to think Madara did die but he passed on Hashirama's cells to Izuna...I dont have any proof or a theory behind it.

i don't think if an uchiha dies their sharingan deactivates, otherwise ho did danzo get his 10 eyes, it's highly doubtful he just walked up to 5 uchiha members and took both their eyes not to mention getting shisui's eye, one of the most powerful uchiha.

 

[Afternoontiger]

The possibility of the last coffin containing Madara is actually what I find the most interesting.

 

[Ziggi San]

i like the space time jutsu of madara ^^

 

[SasukesDestiny]

I support this theory but with few changes ... Tobi is not Zetsu he is Madara in his original body just with damaged/wounded,removed parts replaced with Zetsu mass.
And in 6th coffin is Izuna.

Madara let Izuna die thats why he is afraid ... how can be Madara in that coffin when Madara is Tobi ... there cant be 1 soul in 2 bodies at once.

 

[jane553]

Read it all. Nice theory. It was amazing

 

[Rihari]

lol tht was alot of reading i even read the other theory as well

but still this was very well written its also a really good theory so i will rep you for this

though im hoping tht this isnt the case ive thought about the real identity of tobi alot and there have been two people ive thought and would lyk him to be and thts madara himself or shisui but now after reading this zetsu is now a possiblity even though i dont want it to be

but sayig zetsu doesn't age if you member madara vs konan u see part of the mask blown off and u can cleary see wrinkles which can only mean old age if you can find an answer for this and i think its reasonable id probz be sold

 

[Yoshiro Uchiha]

i felt it was the best theory i read but what if its all wrong all that for nothing lol

 

[SasukesDestiny]

lol tht was alot of reading i even read the other theory as well

but still this was very well written its also a really good theory so i will rep you for this

though im hoping tht this isnt the case ive thought about the real identity of tobi alot and there have been two people ive thought and would lyk him to be and thts madara himself or shisui but now after reading this zetsu is now a possiblity even though i dont want it to be

but sayig zetsu doesn't age if you member madara vs konan u see part of the mask blown off and u can cleary see wrinkles which can only mean old age if you can find an answer for this and i think its reasonable id probz be sold

Read what I post above, He is Madara with parts of his body from Zetsu to give him immortaility and Senju power.

 

[System001]

Awesome theory your the same guy who posted the other rinnengan thread right?
Thumbs up to you dude keep up the amazing theories they may be alot to read but its also interesting to read.Awesome ^_^
yeah i ran outa positive describing words

 

[ShiShiKage]

theory is still a theory and has no facts that can prove anyting sorry but nice try

 

[dwilson81]

Idk SD while your defense makes some sense we really don't know how long Madara had created Zetsu before his death and now in my opinion, I think the first Hokage believed him dead with good reason he landed a fatal blow, from which he couldnt recover. My opinion is then Madara left with the cells barely alive and immediatley constructed Zetsu, he then made all the preparations and sealed his soul in Zetsu because he didn't have time for Zetsu to create a profile of him his death was imminent and the time for all this planning wasn't possible. The Zetsu he had then was a shoddy clone because he was so near death he didn't have time for great construction of it and this is why the EMS wasnt passed on correctly. He had already passed he EMS to Nagato, not realizing his flaw in Zetsu, and once he did it was to late so he began planning adjusting to his new weaknesses. He attained biju power later and created a better zetsu body which we see when he fights minato. Did I totally leave the realm of possibility and it no longer makes sense or is this plausible?

Nagato wouldn't have been born for years after Madara's fight with the 1st. Think about it, the 3rd was still young when the 1st died and Pervy sage was just a kid. When Jiraiya meets Nagato he is already a Senin/Toad sage, and Nagato is barely first year academy age (maybe 7-8 guessing from his appearance). We know he is years older because his appearance is much different then when he was training at Mount Myoboku. I'd say Jiraiya had to be late 20's when he met Nagato and probably 8-11 when the 1st died. That leaves more than a 10 year gap between the time your are saying Madara would have died and the time Nagato should have been born. Also Jiraiya was at least almost 50ish when he died and Nagato wasn't more than 30 (around Kakashi's age). Sorry this was so in depth but I was working it out for myself too.

 

[SasukesDestiny]

How old exactly Madara is ?

 

[Narutosixpaths]

Nagato wouldn't have been born for years after Madara's fight with the 1st. Think about it, the 3rd was still young when the 1st died and Pervy sage was just a kid. When Jiraiya meets Nagato he is already a Senin/Toad sage, and Nagato is barely first year academy age (maybe 7-8 guessing from his appearance). We know he is years older because his appearance is much different then when he was training at Mount Myoboku. I'd say Jiraiya had to be late 20's when he met Nagato and probably 8-11 when the 1st died. That leaves more than a 10 year gap between the time your are saying Madara would have died and the time Nagato should have been born. Also Jiraiya was at least almost 50ish when he died and Nagato wasn't more than 30 (around Kakashi's age). Sorry this was so in depth but I was working it out for myself too.

Your totally right I forgot the time gap between Nagato, but maybe this tweak will make it possible. Madara new shoddy Zetsu clone had nothing to do with his EMS. His shoddy Zetsu clone was an unexpected set back and didn't severely diminish his powers, but that wasn't why he didn't take his EMS. We know he must have gone and read from the Uchiha tablet with his EMS which would show more than the MS. Which perhaps revealed to him the paths of the Sage, and the way to recreate the Rinengan. It took years of planning, and the time was correct during the war? There was to much confusion and chaos, for people to wonder about a boys eyes changed maybe or no one ever was allowed to notice, he placed in the ems transplant and the eyes fused, but he never could awakaken the Sharingan because a mutation was undergoing in his eyes so in his tramatic experience to save Yahiko he unlocked his Rinnegan like a uchiha would have awakened his Sharingan. Then when Madara tried to use Itachi for his new EMS, but that never worked, so he always wanted to get Sasuke to get EMS, so he can wait for the Naruto, and Sasuke battle to play out, then swoop in Take Sasukes EMS, and extract Naurtos Kyubi, BOOM Jubi revival, and he has the most powerful eyes.

 

[dwilson81]

I support the fact that the 6th coffin is in fact madara's body.. and agree that madara used Zetsu's ability to clone someone right down to their chakra to keep himself alive.

Ok if Tobi is Zetsu (original or whatever) with Madara's soul transferred then the 6th coffin can't be Madara. The impure world resurrection technique isn't the persons actual body. It uses some of the target shinobi's DNA and a host body to mimic the shinobi and then bind the soul endowing the new body with all the abilities of said shinobi. It won't work if the soul is already bound somewhere else whether it's another body or a curse seal.

It could be like SD suggested and Tobi is Zetsu posing as Madara...but I can't fathom a reason why he would. Even if he was infused with Madara's desires, why would he pose as him...I don't see the crazy copy cat killer idea as a plausible story arc. I think he is either Madara but with some crazy Jutsu that we haven't heard about yet that, or he is some one else that stole Madara's body, like Orochimaru changed bodies. Maybe somebody took advantage of Madara when he was near death after his battle with the 1st (which would also allow for the impure world resurrection tech to still work on madara.) Maybe he is the Sage...I know that is pretty out there, but that could still fit the "shell of my former self comment." Even as Tobi he is still incredibly powerful (I don't think we've seen even a small portion of his true ability) and we haven't gotten the whole story on how the Sage died. Maybe he took someone elses body and had been surviving in obscurity waiting for the chance to get a body like Madara's that could host the Rinnegan. Would also explain his desire to moon bomb the planet. He gave the gift of Jutsu only to see it abused and squandered with war and destruction. Time to reboot. I know that's way crazy but it might be a cool idea and it would mean that Kabuto could have resurrected Madara's soul.

p.s.

We still haven't found out for sure who was in the third coffin. Lot of speculation that it was the 4th, which would make sense, seeing how Orochimaru didn't know that the 4th had sealed his soul with the Reaper death seal and it's still unclear whether Orochimaru even knew that this was a limitation to the IWR technique.

 

[ackeem1992]

Didn't seem long to me, I guess its because I'm a reader though, so to speak, but excellent theory though,
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[dwilson81]

How old exactly Madara is ?

Well assuming he was around the same age as the 1st then; The 1st was a decade or so older than the 3rd closer to 2 decades likely. The 3rd was trained by the 1st and made Hokage fairly young while the 1st and 2nd were still alive...and the 3rd trained the Senin when they were Genin...which makes him at least a decade older than them, probably close to 2. That said we know that The 5th is 50ish so the 3rd would be 70ish and that would mean the 1st would have 90ish maybe 100ish. Give or take 10 years I think that is pretty close....Soooo that would make Madara somewhere around 100....I think.

 

[Sharingdork]

lol tht was alot of reading i even read the other theory as well

but still this was very well written its also a really good theory so i will rep you for this

though im hoping tht this isnt the case ive thought about the real identity of tobi alot and there have been two people ive thought and would lyk him to be and thts madara himself or shisui but now after reading this zetsu is now a possiblity even though i dont want it to be

but sayig zetsu doesn't age if you member madara vs konan u see part of the mask blown off and u can cleary see wrinkles which can only mean old age if you can find an answer for this and i think its reasonable id probz be sold

Zetsu was created after Madara's fight with the first. It's possible that Madara had these wrinkles when Zetsu was created (assuming the preperations were made before-hand and all he needed was the firsts DNA), and so Madara was copied with the wrinkles. Or maybe Zetsu can manipulate himself, thus adding the wrinkles, and making him look like an elderly person (Madara). Or maybe it's a side-affect of perfectly copying two pieces of DNA (Hashirama and Madara).

Didn't seem long to me, I guess its because I'm a reader though, so to speak, but excellent theory though,
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Well, there are three things on the base that can get as long as this theory; average FF's, long theories, and average bio's. And depending on the history, my theory can be longer than a bio. xd

 

[Narutosixpaths]

Well assuming he was around the same age as the 1st then; The 1st was a decade or so older than the 3rd closer to 2 decades likely. The 3rd was trained by the 1st and made Hokage fairly young while the 1st and 2nd were still alive...and the 3rd trained the Senin when they were Genin...which makes him at least a decade older than them, probably close to 2. That said we know that The 5th is 50ish so the 3rd would be 70ish and that would mean the 1st would have 90ish maybe 100ish. Give or take 10 years I think that is pretty close....Soooo that would make Madara somewhere around 100....I think.

The Third made Hokage while the 2nd was still alive kind of the second was going to die, to to save all of them with him, and he told Hiruzen to start tommorow because of that