[Theory] Madara Twist

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Okay, so, I know how some people are resiliant to "Tobi isn't Madara" threads, so please do not read/comment on this thread if you are one of these. I am making this thread for people to ponder on, and I don't need haters. You have been warned.

Okay, so, I've been thinking (as I always do), and I've come to a conclusion about Madara (were you expecting me to say Tobi?). But before I get into my theory, I'll begin with facts.

Fact one, Tobi has never taken his mask off to the reader, only to characters, who have refered to him as Madara (ie. Kisame). Second, Zetsu is of Madara's creation ( ). Third, Zetsu can copy anyone near perfectly ( ). Fourth, Tobi has never been seen with Madara's EMS. Fifth, Tobi can remove his arm, leaving a white substance at the joint ( ). Sixth, Tobi helped Itachi kill off his clan. Seventh (there's a lot, aren't there? xd), Tobi has a mass collection of Sharingan at his disposal ( ). Eighth, Zetsu calls Tobi "Tobi", despite everyone else calling him "Madara" ( ). Now onto the good stuff.

But, before that, a lot of my theory branches off of this one. To understand most of my theory, you may want to read that (or skim it to get the jist of it). Now, with that settled, I'll begin.

How can a human, even the most powerful Uchiha in existance, live for as long as Madara claims to have? This is a major factor in this theory. Espcially the word, "human". You see, what first turned me to my theory is the episode (which I linked above. ). Madara takes off his arm, and leaves the white clump at the end of it behind. How interesting. And then he get's it back relativly quickly afterwards. Hmmm... Who else can detach their limbs and then regrow them...?

After thinking of this, I remembered that theory I mentioned earlier. Now, this theory says that Madara created Zetsu (or at least White Zetsu) out of Biiju chakra and Hashirama's DNA. Now, this is instrumental to my theory, and I expect that a few people may be able to put it together from here, but I'll continue for those who still need a little help.

So, since Madara created Zetsu, Madara knows exactly what Zetsu can do (unless Zetsu was a mistake, but I'm ruling that out for the time being). A question arises from this; why? Why would Madara take the biiju's chakra and Hashirama's DNA to create Zetsu? What's the purpose to it? The purpose to it is that Zetsu isn't human, and therefore, isn't bound by the rules of longevity (how long a human can live before they die of old age). This gives Madara an advantage, in a way.

Now, using the fact that Zetsu won't die of old age, and can create spores so he can't die (in a way), you have to take into account another ability of Zetsu; the fact that he can copy a person to a point. Now, Madara knew that he would die (as all people do; even the Sage), so he created Zetsu to solve this problem. By having White Zetsu make a clone of himself, and having that clone touch Madara and transform into him, by the time Madara died, there was a Zetsu clone of Madara. He also implanted his EMS into Nagato, an Uzumaki with exceptional chakra, so he could develop the Rinnegan (Madara couldn't take it for himself, as he was about to die, and he thought that Zetsu would have the EMS. This was ensuring Zetsu the Rinnegan; essential to the plan. There's a theory saying that the EMS and an Uzumaki can somehow create the Rinnegan; I'll share it sometime if I can find it). But there was a problem. The cloning process wasn't perfect...

Zetsu can't copy Kekkei Genkai (fusing with Samehada wasn't Kekkei Genkai; it was more of a Hidden Jutsu); if he could, why not just make millions of copies of every powerful ninja with epic Kekkei Genkai? Therefore, this Madara copy didn't have a Sharingan, which was a major problem for Tobi (the name Zetsu had given to the Madara representation of himself). So, Tobi went and killed an Uchiha, stealing a Sharingan from him/her. Unfortunatly, Tobi quickly realized that his Sharingan wasn't going to be enough if he were to carry out Madara's plans that were left with him (this realization came after losing to Minato). Then, Tobi found Itachi...

Tobi and Itachi worked together (or something like that) to devistate the Uchiha clan. Afterwards, Tobi took the Sharingan from the dead Uchiha to try and recreate Madara's EMS, but to no avail. But after learning that Danzo and Orochimaru were also collecting Sharingan, he wasn't about to release all of his collected Uchiha eye's to the one who had given the order to kill their owners; he's obviously planning something. This made Tobi weary of Danzo, even to the meeting at the bridge, where he found the purpose of the sharingan Danzo had collected.

After learning that Itachi had left his little brother alive, he waited for his oppertunity. After Sasuke killed Itachi (I know that Sasuke didn't actually kill him, but that's the easy way to describe it, so deal with how I adress it in my theory), Tobi took his chance, keeping his cover as 'Madara', and manipulated Sasuke's emotions so that Sasuke would work with him, and eventually ask Madara for Itachi's eyes; for the EMS Zetsu could never recreate.

Tobi's plans now are to use his last Sharingan to it's fullest and then take the other Rinnegan ( ). After having two Rinnegan within himself, he plans to take Sasuke's EMS and enfuse his Rinnegan with it to create an augmented Sharin/Rinnegan combo (as seen on the moon as Madara explained his plan. ).

But, wait... Tobi could teleport and phase through objects without Madara's eyes. What's going on here? Well, Zetsu can phase through things. But, he can only phase through plant-like materials. Or can he...? What if Tobi is the original Zetsu, and the White Zetsu we see now is one of the inferior clones, and the original could phase through more than plant-like materials? Or maybe it was a Sharingan ability, which he got from the random Uchiha he killed for the first Sharingan. Have we seen him phase through things since he used Izanagi and sealed away the one eye....? (If we have, then it's probalby a superior Zetsu tech.) And as for his teleporting, most likely also a tech. from a Sharingan (don't rule it out; Shisui could mind-control with a 3-tomoe).

Now, what is this theory missing....? I got side-tracked with the Zetsu/true Madara story I was telling..... xd Well, let's go back to the 'Zetsu was a mistake' thing. How can you accedentilly merge the biiju's chakra and Hashirama's DNA in the exact conditions needed to grow a Zetsu. If you ask me, it's highly unlikely that Zetsu was a mistake, and therefore Madara knew what Zetsu could do (with the exception of the Kekkei Genkai thing).

In conclusions, this theory basically says that Madara is and isn't who he says he is at the same time. It explains the ''I'm a shell of my former self," line, and Madara(and Tobi)'s mysterious connection to Zetsu. It also answers this; we saw that when Danzo was merged with the first (somewhat), his arm was augmented, yet Tobi displays none of this. This could be due to Zetsu's ability to easly absorb and replicate DNA, thus making a Madara/Hashirama combo easily, while retaining the physical essence of Madara only. It also says that the 6th coffin could be Madara, even though I doubt Kabuto knows about this, and believes that Tobi is Madara (as most everyone does). (It seems the only question I haven't answered is "What are the other three paths?" I'll tell you as soon as I figure it out. xd)

Now, for those of you who survived this majorly long theory, I'd like to ask; did I miss anything? Is there anything you didn't understand? Holes in my theory? I would like to defend it as much as possible, as I believe strongly in this, and I would like to know if I missed anything in making this theory iron-clad. So, questions? Comments? Concerns? Getting your stick ready to poke holes (xd)? I'm ready, so let's hear it! (It's long, I know...... X__X)

Nice, man. I never thought of those subtle details, but your theory really makes sense when you add it all up.
 

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But if he's not Madara he doesn't have a mass disposal of Sharingan. A dead Uchiha's Sharingan would be deactivated and if his stolen Sharingan are always activated he would need to take them from a living Uchiha.

I've been starting to think Madara did die but he passed on Hashirama's cells to Izuna...I dont have any proof or a theory behind it.

How? According to you, it's impossible for anyone other than Madara to have a mass disposal of Sharingan. Why? What makes Madara so special?
Alright, so maybe he took the Sharingan, and then killed the Uchiha. So what; that doesn't change the message of my theory at all.

Is your Izuna thing based off of the 'Madara was mortally wounded against the first' thing? Becuase my theory states that people have a time where they will die of old age; even the Sage. But then again, your Izuna thing is just IYO, not theory.
 

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Interesting theory. Very similar to mine except I think zetsu fused one of his clones to madaras body, sustaining his lifeforce. But as we all know we won't know if madara is tobi until the end but I personally hope tobi is madara.

Also, remember how madara wanted war about 200 years ago but the rest of the uchiha were tired of conflict so they betrayed him? Well maybe he helped itachi kill them so he would have less enemies to deal with. And maybe he created zetsu so he can have an almost infinite army.
 
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Interesting theory. Very similar to mine except I think zetsu fused one of his clones to madaras body, sustaining his lifeforce. But as we all know we won't know if madara is tobi until the end but I personally hope tobi is madara

actually, I really hope Tobi's Madara (and yet I make this thread). But at least this theory let's Tobi be Madara, and not be Madara at the same time, making EVERYBODY happy!
 

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yea i like this theory makes alot of sense but i thniok there is just a lil bit more to it that kishi might add in like black zetsu and the actual fight between shodai and madara and also i think danzo itachi madara were the ones responsible for the uchia massacre and thats how they all got all those sharinggans
 
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Alright SD I think this is the small hole in your theory to make you think to defend. Your theory is solid and all, but tell me this, if Tobi is an original more powerful zetsu clone of Madara, how does he have the mind of Madara. Implanting the Senju and Uchiha DNA, would give you the posssibility for the physical traits, and jutsu abilities to be present but the way you think your mind is totally different bro. Like when you have kids they don't think or do exactly as you do. While Madara may have been genius theres no way he could have left a perfect plan with the clone as how to react or counter to every possible sitatuion. So this is where I differ with you. I explain that as Tobi is more than a clone of Madara, My idea is that he made the original Zetsu clone get all this done to his specifications, and when he was truly right near death he sealed his soul into at the time either brainless or lifeless clone body giving it life with his own soul. This would explain why is he Madara in everything, but eyes and somewhat body. If you have another explanation for this that would fit better than mine tell me or if I missed something in your huge theory haha its very possible let me know SD.
 

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I still think that black zetsu is the original Madara after reconstructing his dna with the first's and Tobi is just a decoy.
 

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But if he's not Madara he doesn't have a mass disposal of Sharingan. A dead Uchiha's Sharingan would be deactivated and if his stolen Sharingan are always activated he would need to take them from a living Uchiha.

I've been starting to think Madara did die but he passed on Hashirama's cells to Izuna...I dont have any proof or a theory behind it.

But Izuna would be just about as old as Madara so why wouldn't he be dead ?
 

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ok i dunno what youre talking here xD
but i think that Madara is in Obitos Uchiha body xD
kakashi has keft sharingan eye and tobi aka madara has a right eye...just think about it ;D
sory about that i meant left xD

lolz trying to keep the obito theory alive?
 

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I think its Madara, just partially infused with Zetsu DNA to make himself ageless and to allow himself to detach his limbs at will as seen against Danzo's gaurds.
 

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well, very long theory dude. but, nice one.

In conclusions, this theory basically says that Madara is and isn't who he says he is at the same time. It explains the ''I'm a shell of my former self," line, and Madara(and Tobi)'s mysterious connection to Zetsu. It also answers this; we saw that when Danzo was merged with the first (somewhat), his arm was augmented, yet Tobi displays none of this. This could be due to Zetsu's ability to easly absorb and replicate DNA, thus making a Madara/Hashirama combo easily, while retaining the physical essence of Madara only. It also says that the 6th coffin could be Madara, even though I doubt Kabuto knows about this, and believes that Tobi is Madara (as most everyone does). (It seems the only question I haven't answered is "What are the other three paths?" I'll tell you as soon as I figure it out. )

in the last coffin, probably madara [naruto chapter 490/page 4 and 5]. if isn't madara, why he's so affraid ? and why kabuto aimed him as "you play madara these day" [chapter 489/ page 17].
 
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TO help you with who is in the sixth coffin, I think it is Madara's brother.
Impure resrected itachi
Sauske with EMS
Madara sharigan + rinnegan
Madara's brother
= Awesome Force
 

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Dude I gotta say, for a while I wanted to say this kinda thing but didnt wana get hated on and bashed, but now that you said it I'm glad I wasnt the only one that thought this.. :D brothers :D XD Its great btw.
 

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hey u have an intresting theory there...you missed out a point. You guys remeber the manga where orochimaru/kabuto showed a body using impure world ressurection which created a sense of amazement in tobi. Check the manga. And i think madara used the soul transfer technique(used by orochimaru) to transfer his soul into some uchiha maybe obito or shisui.
 

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Nice theory man. Read it and I understand it.

intresting theory,hey guys u might remember kabuto telling 2 tobi dat he knew tobi's secret,he showed a body using impure world resurrection which was madara's body as it caused an excitement in tobi and he followed up his excitement with the words 'u knw' or something like that...if u hav doubt check d manga..he might have transfered his soul to obito's body or shisui's
 

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maybe implanting 2 EMS you get the rinnegan (madara got his EMS maybe he will take sasukes)
 
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MAN. u just minded ****ed me. that opened my mine up to many ideas. but the most questioning was the 6th coffin. I CANT WAIT TO SEE WHO IT IS.
but i read all of it nd i pretty much share the same theory.
 
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