[Discussion] Luffy's new bounty revealed

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This is a poor excuse. Luffy is the son of the most wanted man in the planet and he is even a pirate captain(when Ace was a subordinate) who is known to have relationship with the marine hero Garp(his granpa), Rayleigh and other people like that
Hes also the guy who just wreckrd multiple warlords, attacked all 3 main wg marine sites.


None of luffys bounty is based on h being dragon's son. Confirmed by dragob and garp when he said it hardly matters who luffys father is now, hes already a notorious criminal on his own.


Ace was constantly talked.about.as rogers son and so on.. and the fact they went after even normal people who had connections with roger.

For a guy who tied with jimbeii... who.is only at 400mil.. ace being higher than luffy right now is pretty much due to oda`s ****in up or him being roger"s son
 
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Hes also the guy who just wreckrd multiple warlords, attacked all 3 main wg marine sites.


None of luffys bounty is based on h being dragon's son. Confirmed by dragob and garp when he said it hardly matters who luffys father is now, hes already a notorious criminal on his own.


Ace was constantly talked.about.as rogers son and so on.. and the fact they went after even normal people who had connections with roger.

For a guy who tied with jimbeii... who.is only at 400mil.. ace being higher than luffy right now is pretty much due to oda`s ****in up or him being roger"s son
Or may be Ace's accomplishments are simply more outrageous than that of Luffy? After all his actions in pirate world alone are enough for Wg to realize that he's Roger's son.
 

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Hes also the guy who just wreckrd multiple warlords, attacked all 3 main wg marine sites.


None of luffys bounty is based on h being dragon's son. Confirmed by dragob and garp when he said it hardly matters who luffys father is now, hes already a notorious criminal on his own.


Ace was constantly talked.about.as rogers son and so on.. and the fact they went after even normal people who had connections with roger.

For a guy who tied with jimbeii... who.is only at 400mil.. ace being higher than luffy right now is pretty much due to oda`s ****in up or him being roger"s son
Ace's bounty was set before him being Dragon's son was ever mentioned so I'm not sure what this 'Ace was constantly talked about as Roger's son' stuff you're on came about but it was a well kept secret even in the Marines that Ace was Roger's son. Iirc only Garp and Sengoku knew.
 

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Or may be Ace's accomplishments are simply more outrageous than that of Luffy? After all his actions in pirate world alone are enough for Wg to realize that he's Roger's son.
Or they simply got the information that he was Roger's son? lol.


More outrageous than luffy's? lol i think not. If that was the case i'm sure we would've known about a lot of them.


Ace's bounty was set before him being Dragon's son was ever mentioned so I'm not sure what this 'Ace was constantly talked about as Roger's son' stuff you're on came about but it was a well kept secret even in the Marines that Ace was Roger's son. Iirc only Garp and Sengoku knew.
All the higher ups admirals/Gorosei and etc knew about him being Roger's son..Basically the WG knew about who Ace was. (unless i missed the scans where the Admirals react all surprised.)

How does a kid (who has never attacked the WG directly) get more bounty than a kid who has defeated 3 warlords + allied with an ex-warlord + Allied with the Dark King + Attacked all 3 main Marine sites (Impel prison + Ennis lobby + Marineford itself) + Teamed up with Whitebeard + is the son of the worst criminal in WG history.. feel free to explain this.

Him being Roger's son has a lot to do with his bounty going up.

The thing the Admirals and etc didn't know about was that Luffy is Dragon's son. That was something only Sengoku and Garp knew about. << As this was a bigger secret than Ace being Roger's son.
 

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Or they simply got the information that he was Roger's son? lol.


More outrageous than luffy's? lol i think not. If that was the case i'm sure we would've known about a lot of them.



All the higher ups admirals/Gorosei and etc knew about him being Roger's son..Basically the WG knew about who Ace was. (unless i missed the scans where the Admirals react all surprised.)

How does a kid (who has never attacked the WG directly) get more bounty than a kid who has defeated 3 warlords + allied with an ex-warlord + Allied with the Dark King + Attacked all 3 main Marine sites (Impel prison + Ennis lobby + Marineford itself) + Teamed up with Whitebeard + is the son of the worst criminal in WG history.. feel free to explain this.

Him being Roger's son has a lot to do with his bounty going up.

The thing the Admirals and etc didn't know about was that Luffy is Dragon's son. That was something only Sengoku and Garp knew about. << As this was a bigger secret than Ace being Roger's son.
Idk I thought it was revealed at MF because if they ahd known it was Ace wouldn't they have just killed him then? They went on a mass hunt for him rigth after Roger and even checked Portagas but she held Ace in and threw the scent off that trail. I think Ace always knew but not the Marines aside from Garp who protected him.

@bold we don't know a single thing about Ace's pirate career so the fact that you say he never attacked the WG directly is nothing more than speculation. Kidd had a higher bounty than Luffy and as far as we know he never attacked the WG directly, he attacked innocent villages and such, perhaps Ace was a bit of a **** in his start up piracy career before reaching WB, ever think of that. I saw someone else mention about the mention of the Mera Mera and the claim it got because of Ace. I don't recall what was word for word but it was along the lines of dozens of cities being burned to the ground when the addressed the Mera Mera No Mi(I guess at Dressrossa). The chapter is 702
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It implies Ace left quite a reputation with his MMnM.

Also the Marines don't know about his "alliance" which it's not actually at this point with Rayleigh, Son of Roger and Son of Dragon are comparable, Teamed with WB and a direct subordinate of WB are pretty much the same thing with Ace's connection actually being more significant of a point than Luffy, Luffy's actually allied with Boa, Jimbei and Law, and has beaten Moriah, Croc, Doffy and Buggy but the WG doesn't know about Hancock and are probably unsure about his invovlment with Jimbei all they really know thanks to the paper is he and Law are now allied. Also I thought the WG chose to hide that Luffy was invovled in ID thus his bounty isn't relfective of that though I could be wrong on that one.

This is the panel that made me think only Garp and the Fleet Admiral knew
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He says I'll tell them everything, sounds like no one or barely anyone else knew. The admirals may have known but it seems like only high ups knew, The shichibukai weren't kept in the loop and the admirals reactions are too straightfaced to know whether they knew or just know how to keep a straight face. But clearly the majority never knew and the world never knew so it'd be weird to base bounty on a detail the majority of the world knows nothing about.
 
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Idk I thought it was revealed at MF because if they ahd known it was Ace wouldn't they have just killed him then? They went on a mass hunt for him rigth after Roger and even checked Portagas but she held Ace in and threw the scent off that trail. I think Ace always knew but not the Marines aside from Garp who protected him.

@bold we don't know a single thing about Ace's pirate career so the fact that you say he never attacked the WG directly is nothing more than speculation. Kidd had a higher bounty than Luffy and as far as we know he never attacked the WG directly, he attacked innocent villages and such, perhaps Ace was a bit of a **** in his start up piracy career before reaching WB, ever think of that. I saw someone else mention about the mention of the Mera Mera and the claim it got because of Ace. I don't recall what was word for word but it was along the lines of dozens of cities being burned to the ground when the addressed the Mera Mera No Mi(I guess at Dressrossa). The chapter is 702
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It implies Ace left quite a reputation with his MMnM.

Also the Marines don't know about his "alliance" which it's not actually at this point with Rayleigh, Son of Roger and Son of Dragon are comparable, Teamed with WB and a direct subordinate of WB are pretty much the same thing with Ace's connection actually being more significant of a point than Luffy, Luffy's actually allied with Boa, Jimbei and Law, and has beaten Moriah, Croc, Doffy and Buggy but the WG doesn't know about Hancock and are probably unsure about his invovlment with Jimbei all they really know thanks to the paper is he and Law are now allied. Also I thought the WG chose to hide that Luffy was invovled in ID thus his bounty isn't relfective of that though I could be wrong on that one.

This is the panel that made me think only Garp and the Fleet Admiral knew
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He says I'll tell them everything, sounds like no one or barely anyone else knew. The admirals may have known but it seems like only high ups knew, The shichibukai weren't kept in the loop and the admirals reactions are too straightfaced to know whether they knew or just know how to keep a straight face. But clearly the majority never knew and the world never knew so it'd be weird to base bounty on a detail the majority of the world knows nothing about.
Actually i am wrong, the admirals know about Ace and luffy:

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But as for the point you were trying to make about ace.. and us not finding about what he did..From the sounds of it.. he did nothing more than someone like Kidd.. but i'm sure Ace didn't kill innocent people like Kidd tho. If there was something horrible he did directly against the WG , i'm sure they would've shown it by now.



Luffy:

- takes down a Warlord
- Ennis lobby wrecked
- Takes down a warlord
- Impel prison attack
- Was part of the reason that very dangerous villains escaped from impel prison (and we are talking evil dudes)
- Attack on marineford
- Allied with Ex-warlord
- Allied with Rayleigh right after attack on Marineford << something the entire world has seen by now
- Defeats another warlord (though i assume this event hasn't been counted for his bounty).

And to top it all off...... Hes the son of the World government's most wanted man in history.. someone worst than the Pirate King..

- Roger never attacked the WG directly from what we know.
-Ace never attacked the WG directly from what we know..
- Dragon attacks the WG directly
- Luffy attacked the WG directly.
 
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Actually i am wrong, the admirals know about Ace and luffy:

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But as for the point you were trying to make about ace.. and us not finding about what he did..From the sounds of it.. he did nothing more than someone like Kidd.. but i'm sure Ace didn't kill innocent people like Kidd tho. If there was something horrible he did directly against the WG , i'm sure they would've shown it by now.



Luffy:

- takes down a Warlord
- Ennis lobby wrecked
- Takes down a warlord
- Impel prison attack
- Was part of the reason that very dangerous villains escaped from impel prison (and we are talking evil dudes)
- Attack on marineford
- Allied with Ex-warlord
- Allied with Rayleigh right after attack on Marineford << something the entire world has seen by now
- Defeats another warlord (though i assume this event hasn't been counted for his bounty).

And to top it all off...... Hes the son of the World government's most wanted man in history.. someone worst than the Pirate King..

- Roger never attacked the WG directly from what we know.
-Ace never attacked the WG directly from what we know..
- Dragon attacks the WG directly
- Luffy attacked the WG directly.
First of all I don't think the in history part is actually in the manga I think you're accrediting that to him. Dragon's The most dangerous Criminal or the most wanted man in the world depending on translations.

Next you can keep listing everything Luffy did against the WG but most of that was already done when his bounty was set just before now and Kid had a higher bounty and like you said of Ace he never attacked the WG directly(though we don't know that either) so bringing up what Luffy's done is irrelevant when Kid shows you can have a higher bounty not attacking the WG.
 

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Or they simply got the information that he was Roger's son? lol.


More outrageous than luffy's? lol i think not. If that was the case i'm sure we would've known about a lot of them.

It was explicitly stated by Sengoku that his actions and growth rate are what lead them to the conclusion of him being Roger's son.
 
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First of all I don't think the in history part is actually in the manga I think you're accrediting that to him. Dragon's The most dangerous Criminal or the most wanted man in the world depending on translations.

Next you can keep listing everything Luffy did against the WG but most of that was already done when his bounty was set just before now and Kid had a higher bounty and like you said of Ace he never attacked the WG directly(though we don't know that either) so bringing up what Luffy's done is irrelevant when Kid shows you can have a higher bounty not attacking the WG.
You are right, that was stated in the anime not the manga sp my bad on that. However dragon is still a bigger threat to the government than roger was. Whitebeard and kaidou the 2 pirates with the "the strongest" title.. yet not the most wanted.

Hopefully you know that reason for kidds bounty being.higher than luffy"s was due to the fact he killed innocent people and.normal folks as well. Something luffy didnt do. Furthermore, the bounty was higher than him.. before he allied himself with jimbei and the dark king and attacked marineford.
 

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You are right, that was stated in the anime not the manga sp my bad on that. However dragon is still a bigger threat to the government than roger was. Whitebeard and kaidou the 2 pirates with the "the strongest" title.. yet not the most wanted.

Hopefully you know that reason for kidds bounty being.higher than luffy"s was due to the fact he killed innocent people and.normal folks as well. Something luffy didnt do. Furthermore, the bounty was higher than him.. before he allied himself with jimbei and the dark king and attacked marineford.
Idk about the Roger over Dragon progeny argument. Roger spurred the age of piracy, Dragon threatens to unveil the Dark Age. Roger knew the Poneglyph language Dragon is assumed to as well. Plus the One Piece may have been something that terrified the WG there's still way too many unknowns about Roger or Dragon to really say who is worse in the Governments eyes. We do know that they knew Dragon had a son and didn't hunt him down(the reasons why are all speculation)

I know why Kid's bounty is higher and? The point is it was higher without affecting the WG and you asked why would Ace's be higher without affecting the WG, well Kid is one example as to why. Also the WG doesn't know he "allied" with Rayleigh either (though that's never been stated and training doesn't = allying with or else Zoro allied with Mihawk) all they know is Rayleigh helped them fight Kizaru. Luffy rushing MF showed guts and all but it posed no real threat to the WG because he didn't really accomplish anything and on his own he wasn't near as intimidating as WB. Luffy was essentially an after thought for the WG in regards to MF, he just happened to show up is all that might be why he didn't get a huge bounty increase for MF it's not like ID or EL where he destroyed the place at MF he was essentially a buzzing fly flying in front of everyones' face annoying them.
 

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Lol everyones rustled by the fact that Ace might be > Luffy.
Nope, its just the fact that Oda completely omitted Luffy fighting an Admiral and forming a fleet just so Ace can still have a higher bounty. Why couldn't Akainu wait until he got Fujis report before issuing him a new bounty? It just doesn't make sense.
 

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Nope, its just the fact that Oda completely omitted Luffy fighting an Admiral and forming a fleet just so Ace can still have a higher bounty. Why couldn't Akainu wait until he got Fujis report before issuing him a new bounty? It just doesn't make sense.
I agree but regarding Ace people need to relax he is easily on Luffys level and possibly stronger. I rank him just under Luffy but thats highly debateable.

@Macho
Lol people getting scared and defensive now regardless of what logic you use.
 

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I agree but regarding Ace people need to relax he is easily on Luffys level and possibly stronger. I rank him just under Luffy but thats highly debateable.

@Macho
Lol people getting scared and defensive now regardless of what logic you use.
@Bold.. uh no. The big difference between Ace and Luffy in part 1 was the fact that luffy didn't have any way to touch him.. now he has Haki and his DF ability on a newer level.

Plus, I highly doubt the bounty is his current bounty, and not the one he recieved right after Marineford.
 

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@Bold.. uh no. The big difference between Ace and Luffy in part 1 was the fact that luffy didn't have any way to touch him.. now he has Haki and his DF ability on a newer level.

Plus, I highly doubt the bounty is his current bounty, and not the one he recieved right after Marineford.
Uh ok you said so, so you must be right. Ace is not on Luffys level my bad.

Lol they gave a dead man a bounty?? LOL if thats what youre saying that would make quite the sig. If youre saying its Luffys well back in PH we already saw his current bounty....not to mention no one mentioned it since post skip lol?
 

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Idk about the Roger over Dragon progeny argument. Roger spurred the age of piracy, Dragon threatens to unveil the Dark Age. Roger knew the Poneglyph language Dragon is assumed to as well. Plus the One Piece may have been something that terrified the WG there's still way too many unknowns about Roger or Dragon to really say who is worse in the Governments eyes. We do know that they knew Dragon had a son and didn't hunt him down(the reasons why are all speculation)

I know why Kid's bounty is higher and? The point is it was higher without affecting the WG and you asked why would Ace's be higher without affecting the WG, well Kid is one example as to why. Also the WG doesn't know he "allied" with Rayleigh either (though that's never been stated and training doesn't = allying with or else Zoro allied with Mihawk) all they know is Rayleigh helped them fight Kizaru. Luffy rushing MF showed guts and all but it posed no real threat to the WG because he didn't really accomplish anything and on his own he wasn't near as intimidating as WB. Luffy was essentially an after thought for the WG in regards to MF, he just happened to show up is all that might be why he didn't get a huge bounty increase for MF it's not like ID or EL where he destroyed the place at MF he was essentially a buzzing fly flying in front of everyones' face annoying them.
@Bold, the reason is probably Old man Garp.. and directly f*cking with Dragon himself (though they probably don't care bout this ).


If you are using Kidd as an example, to justify Ace's bounty being that high.. then you are also putting Ace into that category. Furthermore, Luffy's bounty under kidd happened when Luffy attacked solely Eniss lobby.. And that was a huge increase in his bounty.. The events of Marineford/Impel prison/Allying with Rayleigh and so on happened after that bounty.


NOW, if that new bounty doesn't count or take in any of the stuff Luffy has done in the New world.. then it is justifiable. As Luffy was a weaker fighter than Ace, before timeskip.

BUT, if that new bounty takes into count all the stuff hes done in the new world.. then its just ace was Roger's son, nothing else can justify it really..

before in my posts, i didn't take into account the fact that we didn't get to see Luffy's bounty after marineford and so on.. so this could very well be that bounty.

Uh ok you said so, so you must be right. Ace is not on Luffys level my bad.

Lol they gave a dead man a bounty?? LOL if thats what youre saying that would make quite the sig. If youre saying its Luffys well back in PH we already saw his current bounty....not to mention no one mentioned it since post skip lol?
ahhh you are right forgot about that 400 mil bounty.

@Bold, huh?
 
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@Bold, the reason is probably Old man Garp.. and directly f*cking with Dragon himself (though they probably don't care bout this ).


If you are using Kidd as an example, to justify Ace's bounty being that high.. then you are also putting Ace into that category. Furthermore, Luffy's bounty under kidd happened when Luffy attacked solely Eniss lobby.. And that was a huge increase in his bounty.. The events of Marineford/Impel prison/Allying with Rayleigh and so on happened after that bounty.


NOW, if that new bounty doesn't count or take in any of the stuff Luffy has done in the New world.. then it is justifiable. As Luffy was a weaker fighter than Ace, before timeskip.

BUT, if that new bounty takes into count all the stuff hes done in the new world.. then its just ace was Roger's son, nothing else can justify it really..

before in my posts, i didn't take into account the fact that we didn't get to see Luffy's bounty after marineford and so on.. so this could very well be that bounty.
Putting Ace in what category? If you meant as attacking people then yeah the description at Dressrosa says he left cities like Hell as a Spade Pirate. I don't see what you're bringing up. As for Allying with Rayleigh the WG doesn't know about their training and it's not stated in the manga they're "aligned" either so that's why that doesn't impact his bounty, every time you bring it up I'm going to point that out to you until you stop trying to use it. MF, he didn't really accomplish anything threatening to the WG. He was beaten at pretty much every turn and with out Ivan's drugs he wouldn't have done anything. All he did was show up at MF that's why that wouldn't impact his bounty much. As for Imple Down I think they said in the manga they were trying to keep that information as quite as possible and weren't giving Luffy credit therefore not showing an increase in his bounty.
 

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Robin as a child had a bounty of 79 million. Kid Robin > Sanji confirmed.
Going by your logic Oda has been pointlessly hyping characters based on their bounties. That's totally a flawed logic mate. Everyone with bounty has one or more qualities that makes them a threat to the WG. They take several factors into the account while deciding one's bounty. Most dangerous part about Robin is her knowledge , For Kid/Law it's their ruthlessness and strength along with their outrageous actions/accomplishments. The reasons are pretty much same for Luffy and Ace. They're issued high bounties because their connections with big names,strength and their accomplishments. Their respective backgrounds are pretty much equal in standing so Ace can only have a higher bounty because of one or two of the remaining reasons i.e. either his accomplishments are more outrageous or he's stronger than Luffy or both.
 
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Ace:
1. Ace was strong - his accomplishment an all
2. Roger's son
3. 2nd Commander of Strongest Man

He got 550.000.000
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Luffy:
A. Pre TS
1. Luffy was strong - his accomplismen an all
2. Dragon's son and his relationship with Revo (Ivankov)
3. He was dead

He got 400.000.000
....
B. Post TS
1. Alive after 2 years "dead"
2. Take down 1 Shichibukai and allied with other one
3. Dragon's son and his relationship with Revo (Sabo)
He got +100.000.000

Maybe, Oda want to give Luffy bounty in perfect number, so it's maybe to big for luffy to get +200.000.000, and he decide to give +100.000.000 instead.
 
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