[Discussion] Luffy's new bounty revealed

[KingHashirama]

Did you miss the part where they murdered innocent pregnant women in order to exterminate the Roger bloodline ?

I think it was pretty clear there was a threat to the WG as long as someone with the blood of the Pirate King was still sailing around.

Ace being alive is the embodiment of marine failure and the Roger's will living on. Ace didn't even had to be strong, if he went around the world telling people about the One Piece it would be just as bad as when Roger did it himself during his execution.

The government cant have Roger's son sailing in freedom, and that is why he is a threat to them, and why he has that bounty.

Also I do believe that Ace could've achieved a 500M bounty based on power as well.

Their fear =/= actual threat.

They simply didn't want anyone who had any links to roger alive.

Soo yea, Ace was pretty much granted the bounty due to being Roger's son.


@Bold, see my point, everything goes back to roger. What did Ace do himself to get that bounty?? I'm sure him being just second-commander in WB's fleet doesn't automatically give him a 500 mil bounty.

No events where he attacked the WG directly and so on. Luffy has already done a lot more things compared to him. So if he actually earned that bounty by doing actual threatful things like luffy and other supernovas or w.e... then Luffy's current bounty should be times more than Ace's.

 

[keshav31]

sadly only 500.000.000
Even ace, who was weaker and not even captain, had more.
wtf oda plsz

well now I think Jimbe can join as captain bounty is more than his

 

[Love Cook]

Their fear =/= actual threat.

They simply didn't want anyone who had any links to roger alive.

Soo yea, Ace was pretty much granted the bounty due to being Roger's son.


@Bold, see my point, everything goes back to roger. What did Ace do himself to get that bounty?? I'm sure him being just second-commander in WB's fleet doesn't automatically give him a 500 mil bounty.

No events where he attacked the WG directly and so on. Luffy has already done a lot more things compared to him. So if he actually earned that bounty by doing actual threatful things like luffy and other supernovas or w.e... then Luffy's current bounty should be times more than Ace's.

Yes everything goes back to Roger, but what is wrong with that ? Everybody earns his bounty in a different way.

Like I said if the WG allows to sail the son of the PK in freedom it's a big humiliation to all the people they're supposed to protect. They also can't know if he has any secrets of his dad, knowledge about One Piece or the ability to start a second age of Pirates like his father did.

Ace being alive shows the world the WG is incompetent.

 

[Tobi98]

Weren't they talking about Usopp doe?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Boa Hancock, who was introduced a lot later in the series, only got a bounty of 80,000,000, which is slightly lower than Crocodile's. However, this can be explained. The World Government feared her potential and invited her to the Shichibukai at the young age of 18. Crocodile probably follows in the same example. This should explain it better:

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"There is an enormous range in the bounties between the members of the Shichibukai due to differences in circumstances under which they were recruited, with Trafalgar Law, who had a bounty of 440,000,000, and Blackbeard, who had no bounty at all. It should be noted that these are their former bounties, and do not represent the current threat they could achieve as active pirates. Jinbe's bounty, for example, jumped from 250,000,000 to over 400,000,000 after his resignation. Another example is Crocodile, who, with a bounty of 81,000,000, was imprisoned in Level 6 of Impel Down, while Luffy with a bounty of 300,000,000 at the time was put only at Level 5." - One Piece Wikia

Yea I figured he may have joined early on but it seems like that's a bit of a cover for the varied bounties.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yes everything goes back to Roger, but what is wrong with that ? Everybody earns his bounty in a different way.

No thats exactly my point.. his bounty doesn't represent his strength, like the Supernova's does symbolized their strength. Or like the strawhats. His bounty was high simply because WG wanted him dead because he was related to Roger, not because of something dangerous he did.

Like I said if the WG allows to sail the son of the PK in freedom it's a big humiliation to all the people they're supposed to protect. They also can't know if he has any secrets of his dad, knowledge about One Piece or the ability to start a second age of Pirates like his father did.

They simply don't want anyone related to Roger alive... lol. Doesn't matter if they know about it or not. Him turning into a pirate simply made it worst. And he can't start a second age of pirates, when people like Luffy wrecked Ennis lobby , something Ace didn't do (meaning never attacked the WG directly), and then on top of that luffy also is the son of the Most wanted criminal (not the son of a dead criminal).

Humiliation =/= threat, as Luffy posed more threat to the WG than Ace. And even after Wrecking Ennis lobby, burning the WG flag and declaring war on it, destroying the prison, and then attacking marineford itself.. he doesn't have a bounty higher than 500 mil.. then it'll only justify that Ace's bounty was pretty much due to his Dad. Hence it doesn't correlate with how strong he actually was, if you are trying to measure strength by bounties.

Ace being alive shows the world the WG is incompetent.

Don't see how it shows the WG is being incompetent, because they didn't kill a child who was born after his dad had died, and was raised by the Marine's hero Garp? loll.

Doubt people thought of the WG as incompetent because they couldn't kill ace.. when there are much bigger threats like the revolutionaries and the Yonko out there.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Aohige say that it's Luffy's bounty they are talking about.

I am disappointed, I thought it would be 550+.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Aohige say that it's Luffy's bounty they are talking about.

I am disappointed, I thought it would be 550+.

550?? it was even said after 400 it's difficult to raise your bounty we should be grateful that he's 500 million.

 

[Skylar Knight]

People don't realize that Monkey D. Luffy is probably the youngest pirate with a 500,000,000 or higher bounty. It's a huge feat for a 19 year-old, especially when you consider his inactivity the past couple of years. Also, if you think about it, it was also the most realistic increase Oda could've given us. First time he defeated a Shichibukai, his bounty only increased from 30,000,000 to 100,000,000. Not the biggest increase, obviously, but enough to make a point. "This guy just defeated a big-time pirate, so we're giving him a fair increase in bounty. He's a threat." Attacking and defeating a Shichibukai is not enough to give him a bigger increase. It's just a quarrel between two pirate crews. You can't compare the Dressrosa incidident to the assault on Enies Lobby. Declaring war on the World Government would obviously triple your bounty, which it did in Luffy's case.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

550?? it was even said after 400 it's difficult to raise your bounty we should be grateful that he's 500 million.

Member A: It was said after 300, it's difficult to raise your bounty.
Member B: It was said after 400, it's difficult to raise your bounty.
Member C: It was said after 500, it's difficult to raise your bounty.

Which one is correct? Maybe I am forgetting, but I don't remember any of these being said, and people around here throw three different numbers with easy.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Member A: It was said after 300, it's difficult to raise your bounty.
Member B: It was said after 400, it's difficult to raise your bounty.
Member C: It was said after 500, it's difficult to raise your bounty.

Which one is correct? Maybe I am forgetting, but I don't remember any of these being said, and people around here throw three different numbers with easy.

"While a pirate with a bounty of 300,000,000 is still considered a rookie, once a pirate exceeds that value it is difficult to get any higher, and it seems that 400,000,000 is enough to be considered an elite pirate." - One Piece Wikia

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Member A: It was said after 300, it's difficult to raise your bounty.
Member B: It was said after 400, it's difficult to raise your bounty.
Member C: It was said after 500, it's difficult to raise your bounty.

Which one is correct? Maybe I am forgetting, but I don't remember any of these being said, and people around here throw three different numbers with easy.

My bad 300 it is.


While the details of how high a bounty could be are not exactly known, the greatest amount revealed is that of the Beli550,000,000 bounty of Portgas D. Ace before his death, who was one of the most notorious pirates of the New World, the 2nd division commander of the Whitebeard Pirates, and most notably the son of the infamous Pirate King, Gol D. Roger himself. While a pirate with a bounty of 300,000,000 is still considered a rookie, once a pirate exceeds that value it is difficult to get any higher, and it seems that 400,000,000 is enough to be considered an elite pirate. While the Shichibukai are also important pirates in the world, some of their former bounties are not particularly high, however it should be noted that these are their former bounties which do not represent the threat that they could have achieved as active pirates. After Jinbe resigned, his bounty jumped to over 400,000,000.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

"While a pirate with a bounty of 300,000,000 is still considered a rookie, once a pirate exceeds that value it is difficult to get any higher, and it seems that 400,000,000 is enough to be considered an elite pirate." - One Piece Wikia

My bad 300 it is.


While the details of how high a bounty could be are not exactly known, the greatest amount revealed is that of the Beli550,000,000 bounty of Portgas D. Ace before his death, who was one of the most notorious pirates of the New World, the 2nd division commander of the Whitebeard Pirates, and most notably the son of the infamous Pirate King, Gol D. Roger himself. While a pirate with a bounty of 300,000,000 is still considered a rookie, once a pirate exceeds that value it is difficult to get any higher, and it seems that 400,000,000 is enough to be considered an elite pirate. While the Shichibukai are also important pirates in the world, some of their former bounties are not particularly high, however it should be noted that these are their former bounties which do not represent the threat that they could have achieved as active pirates. After Jinbe resigned, his bounty jumped to over 400,000,000.

Okay, I stand corrected, then.

 

[A v i]

IMO we have been underrating Ace. Luffy has so many ties with big guys compared to Ace; He was involved in a lot of outrageous things that goes directly against Wg. Yet his bounty is still beneath that of Ace.

Not to mention the introduction of the Mera Mera during Corrida implied Ace has burned down multiple towns during his piracy, while Luffy doesn't really do that much damage(till Dressrosa of course).

May be one of bad rumors. A lot of people still believe that Luffy's a bad guy based on those rumors so I won't be surprised even if it's same for even Ace. Ace'd never do such a thing given how his character has been presented.

 

[Punk Hazard]

IMO we have been underrating Ace. Luffy has so many ties with big guys compared to Ace; He was involved in a lot of outrageous things that goes directly against Wg. Yet his bounty is still beneath that of Ace.




May be one of bad rumors. A lot of people still believe that Luffy's a bad guy based on those rumors so I won't be surprised even if it's same for even Ace. Ace'd never do such a thing given how his character has been presented.

Ace hasn't really been presented as a "good" guy. He's a pirate. He invaded ships, tried to kill innocent people before he set sail, and blew through many ships to help Luffy. Ace is just as selfish as any other pirate.

 

[KingHashirama]

"While a pirate with a bounty of 300,000,000 is still considered a rookie, once a pirate exceeds that value it is difficult to get any higher, and it seems that 400,000,000 is enough to be considered an elite pirate." - One Piece Wikia

funny that people like Hancock were considered elite with just less than 100k XD.

 

[A v i]

Ace hasn't really been presented as a "good" guy. He's a pirate. He invaded ships, tried to kill innocent people before he set sail, and blew through many ships to help Luffy. Ace is just as selfish as any other pirate.

He never really killed innocent people. There is nothing wrong with a pirate invading another pirate ship. If Ace didn't attack them then Luffy'd have done the same but it doesn't make him a bad guy. He's same as Luffy.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He never really killed innocent people. There is nothing wrong with a pirate invading another pirate ship. If Ace didn't attack them then Luffy'd have done the same but it doesn't make him a bad guy. He's same as Luffy.

A thief robbing a thief is still a thief. Luffy has made it clear multiple times he isn't a "good guy." He isn't a "hero." Oda said this outright in the first chapter. Pirates are not good people. Ace has expressed wanting to kill innocent people just because they spoke ill of Roger. The fact of the matter is, Ace has attacked people for no reason other than his own benefit.

 

[KingHashirama]

A thief robbing a thief is still a thief. Luffy has made it clear multiple times he isn't a "good guy." He isn't a "hero." Oda said this outright in the first chapter. Pirates are not good people. Ace has expressed wanting to kill innocent people just because they spoke ill of Roger. The fact of the matter is, Ace has attacked people for no reason other than his own benefit.

oh lets not forget how luffy didn't even care for all the bad dudes that escaped from impel prison.

 

[Punk Hazard]

oh lets not forget how luffy didn't even care for all the bad dudes that escaped from impel prison.

Not to mention the only reason he fought Doflamingo was because Rebecca fed him, not because he's a tyrant.