Lets get something straight about Naruto vs Pain!

[UnrealSoul]

Talk jutsu is an insult to the manga and Kishi. The reasons why the characters do what they do are the very principles that govern this manga. If you take that away and call it plot no jutsu, you ruin the fun for everyone and lose what truly makes this manga great.

Btw pain was in no condition to fight naruto.

He had enough to revive a whole village he was in enough to fight naruto.Also like someone else said he could have killed naruto but for the simple fact of "Plot no jutsu" he didn't.Also i don't get why your taking the phrase so serious when it is a joke in it's self.Just another way to say Nagato could of won but due to plot he lost.Seriously I don't see the justification on a joke of a phrase to a Manga.I understand your opinion but you will not justify what is used by the masses.It will be forgotten in the matter of a week like everything else.

 

[The God of Wind]

^This. Pain>SM Naruto

Plot killed Pain.

So youre basically shitting on Nagatos revelation about his own life. The guy does one last good thing after his realisation and passes on the torch and you see that as plot? that is how the story goes bro, dont get it twisted.

 

[naruto1246]

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He had enough to revive a whole village he was in enough to fight naruto.Also like someone else said he could have killed naruto but for the simple fact of "Plot no jutsu" he didn't.Also i don't get why your taking the phrase so serious when it is a joke in it's self.Just another way to say Nagato could of won but due to plot he lost.Seriously I don't see the justification on a joke of a phrase to a Manga.I understand your opinion but you will not justify what is used by the masses.It will be forgotten in the matter of a week like everything else.

so do you

 

[UnrealSoul]

so do you

Good try....

 

[naruto1246]

Good try....

ikr

 

[TobisPawn]

Pain won right over here:

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[UnrealSoul]

Pain won right over here:

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That's the exact moment he could of killed naruto.

 

[TobisPawn]

That's the exact moment he could of killed naruto.

Exactly. Or, if Deva had his abilities from the start, a Chibaku Tensei would have ended it.

 

[The God of Wind]

He had enough to revive a whole village he was in enough to fight naruto.Also like someone else said he could have killed naruto but for the simple fact of "Plot no jutsu" he didn't.Also i don't get why your taking the phrase so serious when it is a joke in it's self.Just another way to say Nagato could of won but due to plot he lost.Seriously I don't see the justification on a joke of a phrase to a Manga.I understand your opinion but you will not justify what is used by the masses.It will be forgotten in the matter of a week like everything else.

The plan was always to capture, not kill! Naruto repaid the favor when he spared Nagato's life. If you want to see those two fight to the death, play Ninja storm or something.

May I remind you that Nagato had already mastered his full powers and was a middle aged man. Naruto was 16..........

 

[Minator93]

+rep

 

[TobisPawn]

The plan was always to capture, not kill! Naruto repaid the favor when he spared Nagato's life. If you want to see those two fight to the death, play Ninja storm or something.

May I remind you that Nagato had already mastered his full powers and was a middle aged man. Naruto was 16..........

Your point? Naruto lost the second Hinata had to save him from being whisked away by Pain after Naruto had full knowledge on Pain, 2 SM clones as backup, and with Pain being handicapped (having to capture Naruto and not kill + Deva's abilities were on recharge).

 

[UnrealSoul]

The plan was always to capture, not kill! Naruto repaid the favor when he spared Nagato's life. If you want to see those two fight to the death, play Ninja storm or something.

May I remind you that Nagato had already mastered his full powers and was a middle aged man. Naruto was 16..........

That adds on to more the reason he could have killed naruto.The thing is people say nagato could of killed naruto the moment he captured him.

Let me go in depth sense you like the plot.He lost to pain fighting as himself...the moment he went kyubi mode he was not fighting as naruto but as the kyubi.The kyubi is wat caused nagato to lose most of his chakra and lead up to the face to face confrontation.Nagato was weakend by the kyubi not naruto himself.Naruto did not win that fight he was saved by the kyubi and Hinata.

 

[The God of Wind]

Your point? Naruto lost the second Hinata had to save him from being whisked away by Pain after Naruto had full knowledge on Pain, 2 SM clones as backup, and with Pain being handicapped (having to capture Naruto and not kill + Deva's abilities were on recharge).

Naruto was disarmed right here

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Pain played dirty using Fukasaku's body as a distraction. Plus Naruto gave up after he was disheartened by not knowing how to bring true peace and lost all faith in himself. That is not Pains victory.

 

[The God of Wind]

That adds on to more the reason he could have killed naruto.The thing is people say nagato could of killed naruto the moment he captured him.

Let me go in depth sense you like the plot.He lost to pain fighting as himself...the moment he went kyubi mode he was not fighting as naruto but as the kyubi.The kyubi is wat caused nagato to lose most of his chakra and lead up to the face to face confrontation.Nagato was weakend by the kyubi not naruto himself.Naruto did not win that fight he was saved by the kyubi and Hinata.

Can I not say, in the same sense that Nagato was not himself when he was fighting with a borrowed Rinnegan? Rinnegan cancels Kyuubi says more in your terms.

By the way the Kyuubi was still inside Naruto. What you saw was the Six tailed transformation of the Kyuubis "Jinchuuriki"!!

 

[SO7P]

Awesome. +rep

 

[Dragon1]

Can I not say, in the same sense that Nagato was not himself when he was fighting with a borrowed Rinnegan? Rinnegan cancels Kyuubi says more in your terms.

Yeah, and when did you get that? Oh from Tobi, the master manipulator and lier... Good job. There are 1001 reasons why this ''Nagato's Rinnegan isn't his'' won't work. Full of MAJOR plot holes.

 

[Midday]

Naruto was disarmed right here

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Pain played dirty using Fukasaku's body as a distraction. Plus Naruto gave up after he was disheartened by not knowing how to bring true peace and lost all faith in himself. That is not Pains victory.

How is it playing dirty, when Naruto brought a small army of frogs to back him. As well as being fed intel on Pain throughout the fight.

You also talked about Nagato's "borrowed rinnengan" when that isn't even a fact yet.

 

[The God of Wind]

Yeah, and when did you get that? Oh from Tobi, the master manipulator and lier... Good job. There are 1001 reasons why this ''Nagato's Rinnegan isn't his'' won't work. Full of MAJOR plot holes.

Tobi said that to a dead person. It is a known fact in any fiction, fantasy, anime, movie, blockbuster, walmart wherever..........if there is a situation involving people killing each other, usually the information exchanged is true ONE HUNDRED % of the time!

 

[Altaneen]

He had enough to revive a whole village he was in enough to fight naruto.Also like someone else said he could have killed naruto but for the simple fact of "Plot no jutsu" he didn't.Also i don't get why your taking the phrase so serious when it is a joke in it's self.Just another way to say Nagato could of won but due to plot he lost.Seriously I don't see the justification on a joke of a phrase to a Manga.I understand your opinion but you will not justify what is used by the masses.It will be forgotten in the matter of a week like everything else.

@ underlined, everything in the manga is due to plot.

 

[Dragon1]

Tobi said that to a dead person. It is a known fact in any fiction, fantasy, anime, movie, blockbuster, walmart wherever..........if there is a situation involving people killing each other, usually the information exchanged is true ONE HUNDRED % of the time!

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You can obviously see that Tobi is just trying to mess with her head. Btw, Konan isn't quite dead lol. That's actually the beginning of the fight.

Here are the reasons it won't work:
1. Nagato without his Rinnegan is an ordinary boy.
2. If it wasn't for Konoha's ninjas, he probably would have continued living with his parents.
3. He could have died, if it wasn't for Konan saving him.
4. In the Sannin fight he could have also died + Orochimaru could have killed him when they approached him.
5. There is ABSOLUTELY no point in Tobi giving his Rinnegan to some random kid instead of keeping it for himself.
6. Nagato didn't revive Madara nor did he help Tobi. They just had common goals and Tobi manipulated him.
7. Nagato could have died in the Hanzo fight.
8. Nagato didn't tell Jiraiya he had those eyes from the beginning. He obviously saw the difference between normal eyes and Rinnegan. This kinda implies he awakened it.
9. How the heck did Tobi find Nagato and implanted a Rinnegan to him? When we saw Nagato with his Rinnegan for the first time he was like 7-8 years old kid with his father and mother. C'mon.
10. Nagato had different plans for the future unlike Tobi. Why would Tobi give a Rinnegan to a guy he would most definetly have to fight in the end?

I could go on and on, but there isn't any point. You can clearly see that there is no logic in this theory and the fact that Tobi is a lier and manipulator kinda proves it : ). Now if Tobi was some honest guy or something, i might have believed it.