Lets get something straight about Naruto vs Pain!

The God of Wind

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So who here thinks that Naruto's victory over pain was a sham? Or that Naruto only won because God Mode was handicapped? Or that Naruto used "talk no jutsu" or "plot no jutsu" to get one over Pain? For all those who believe in any of these things I have a little message for you:)............

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And this here.....
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Let me even the odds a bit, Nagato recieved the Rinnegan from Madara and Naruto recieved the Kyuubi from Yondaime Hokage. The ultimate eyes against the ultimate chakra!

If Pain didnt use God Mode against Senjutsu, Naruto didnt use the Kyuubis chakra until Hinata got hurt, the odds were perfectly even. But the indivuals were not!

Let me first express how much I hate the phrase "plot/talk no jutsu" and the people who use it.....well not as much as I hate the phrase itself:D

If Naruto used talk jutsu to make Pain have a change of heart, then how did you forget about this?
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Ill tell you why, because this phenomenon, yes Im talking about "talk no jutsu" does not exist your usage of this phrase demeans the true essence of Naruto and frankly opens the door to a whole new world of shit for the manga, the fans and the forum.

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Pain is the only person in history to have almost broken Naruto's spirit. Naruto was losing hope in himself and gradually starting to believe in Nagato's way, because he could not let go of his hatred for Jiraiyas death, it is what he was fighting the 6 Paths with, before losing himself to the Kyuubi!

Nagato and Naruto were two people who had the strength and will to make a drastic impact on the world in their own ways. It had nothing to do with a prophecy from some old sage, not to say that it wasnt true. But it wasnt because of talk jutsu when Nagato realised how his life's decision was a mistake and how he had strayed from his true path. These are elements which are important to the story and the building blocks of Naruto as a manga, for those of you who dont see it that way........I am sorry to say, you should read or watch something else pleaseU_U

Nagato did not do a 180 flip because of a few words, Naruto told him he would not give up or stray from his path no matter what kind of "Pain" came his way, it was an indication on Nagatos life and how his Pain made him think of only destruction. But Naruto meant "I will be different", that no matter what happens "I wont change"! Nagato was thoroughly impressed by Naruto's performance before then and truly believed that just like his Rinnegan, Naruto possessed a power to change the world.

The truth is Nagato believed in Naruto's strength
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So why cant you?
 

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I hatehatehatehatehatehatehate how he beat the last pain ..... epic fight but it ends like it was part 1
 

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Didnt read whole but rep for your effort.
 

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Your trying to justify the phrase "talk no jutsu","Plot no Jutsu" in the naruto vs pain fight....are you simply forgetting Nagato could still use the paths and defeat naruto without the puppets?To my knowledge naruto wouldn't have thought that he nagato himself could use the powers while thinking it was just the puppets specialty.In either way the fight could of been won by naruto via"Plot no jutsu" or won by nagato.Please understand meaning of the phrase when it is implied to the subject like i just did.
 
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Damn I actually read a long OP, and it makes 100% sence
 
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This is actually a pretty good thread. +Rep. ;)
 

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At the beginning I thought it was a thread hating on naruto but nice thread dude really decent.
 

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+rep good god your the only person to ever post something that i agree with 100%
 

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great thread five stars and plus rep nice awesome thread
 
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Your trying to justify the phrase "talk no jutsu" in the naruto vs pain fight....are you simply forgetting Nagato could still use the paths and defeat naruto without the puppets?To my knowledge naruto wouldn't have thought that he nagato himself could use the powers while thinking it was just the puppets specialty.In either way the fight could of been won by naruto via"Plot no jutsu" or won by nagato.Please understand meaning of the phrase when it is implied to the subject like i just did.

Talk jutsu is an insult to the manga and Kishi. The reasons why the characters do what they do are the very principles that govern this manga. If you take that away and call it plot no jutsu, you ruin the fun for everyone and lose what truly makes this manga great.

Btw pain was in no condition to fight naruto.
 

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Thank you good sir. People need to stop blaming plot for a fictional story. +rep
 

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So true. Everyone should know this.
 

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Its hard to find such good thread these days:),which grasps the concept of what kishi is trying to tell us,rather than making ones own asumptions.

Excellent thread rep+ from me!!!!
 

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:y correct! Well done mate! +rep

Also, Naruto had to defeat all the six paths in order to reach the real pain... shouldn't that count for something???
 
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