Kisame vs Minato

[Great Master Minato]

50 metors he isnt blitzing chit here kisame clone almost killed team gai he floods the area with water like he did against gai making ftg useless followerd by water dome or 1000 water shark jutsu

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50 Meter Is Nothing For Minato...He Made It From Konoha To The Battlefield In Seconds With Shunshin Alone...When Kisame Gets Close It's Over...

 

[LuckyMan]

god tree sucks away chakra like shark skin it removed the seal just like god tree does because they're is no chakra left in it

Thats debatable but him actually marking Kisame was never my premise to begin with. I said he summons Ma+Pa and they kill him together, which still has not been countered so I'm thinking either this thread got boring and people left or no one can counter it.

 

[Apêx1]

Obito has never used preta path also minato tagged obito's back how could he know that sharingan doesnt have 360 vision so moot absorbing the chakra out of the seal makes it useless because there is no chakra connection

If you cared to read carefully, you would notice I was saying that by using his deductive fallaciousness, I would come to such a conclusion. And yea, bad example. Nevertheless, nothing implies it contains chakra hence I have no reason to assume it does.

 

[Unorthodox]

50 Meter Is Nothing For Minato...He Made It From Konoha To The Battlefield In Seconds With Shunshin Alone...When Kisame Gets Close It's Over...

Minato has kunai all through out konoha dont know why you would bring it up

Thats debatable but him actually marking Kisame was never my premise to begin with. I said he summons Ma+Pa and they kill him together, which still has not been countered so I'm thinking either this thread got boring and people left or no one can counter it.

Going to need valid feats on ma & pa shark skin breaks him out of genjutsu anyways

If you cared to read carefully, you would notice I was saying that by using his deductive fallaciousness, I would come to such a conclusion. And yea, bad example. Nevertheless, nothing implies it contains chakra hence I have no reason to assume it does.

minato said multiply times he can warp anything connected to his chakra his ftg tags clearly has chakra within them because when god tree wrapped up naruto who he already had tagged he could not warp him because god tree sucked all the chakra back into its branches everything tech uses chakra in narutoverse dont know where you came up with ftg not using chakra

 

[Sageflash]

Minato takes the win.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Minato has kunai all through out konoha dont know why you would bring it up

He Used Shunshin To Get To The Battlefield Not FTG

 

[LuckyMan]

Going to need valid feats on ma & pa shark skin breaks him out of genjutsu anyways

Valid feats of what? Him summoning Ma+Pa? Why do I feel like most people here still don't even understand what a summoning contract is? He does not need feats of summoning Ma+Pa, because of his contract its obvious he can. By your logic, Orochimaru can't summon Aoda because we never seen him do it, Minato and Jiraiya have summoned Geotora but Naruto can't because we never seen him do it, Orochimaru can summon the Twin Snakes, but Sasuke can't because we never seen him do it. If one can call forth the largest high level summon of a species (Manda, Gamabunta etc) then its obvious they can summon the lower and inferior ones. It gets no simpler than that.

Also, Kisame is not breaking Frog Sound. If all it takes was for his sword to jolt chakra into him then the Peins would have broken out because Nagato is constantly sending his chakra into their bodies.

 

[KidGamer65]

No :| He absolutely does not

Its possible.

He has no escape from water dome U_U

If tags end up outside of its range, then yes, he has an escape. If not, he can make Shadow Clones and have them swim in opposite directions. If any of his clones makes it out while he doesn't, he teleports to that clone. Or like Apex said he can use Bunta instead of clones.

Kisame can absorb seals idc what excuse you make that he can't U_U

How about no? Sealing Formulas aren't chakra so they don't get absorbed.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Gosh, this Ma and pa thing is still being debated

- summoning contract with the toads gives the summoner access to all toads
- those who can summon Bunta can summon all toads of Mount Myoboku(according to kishi)
- Minato is a perfect sage, no matter what his skill level of senjutsu is.
- Fukasaku knows Minato, Fukasaku obviously trained minato in senjutsu (who else could have)?
- After becoming a sage, the next step in sage training is to fuse with Fukasaku
- the idiot who said sage minato is an Edo feat needs serious mental help. How could minato learn sage mode in the middle of war U_U

 

[Unorthodox]

Valid feats of what? Him summoning Ma+Pa? Why do I feel like most people here still don't even understand what a summoning contract is? He does not need feats of summoning Ma+Pa, because of his contract its obvious he can. By your logic, Orochimaru can't summon Aoda because we never seen him do it, Minato and Jiraiya have summoned Geotora but Naruto can't because we never seen him do it, Orochimaru can summon the Twin Snakes, but Sasuke can't because we never seen him do it. If one can call forth the largest high level summon of a species (Manda, Gamabunta etc) then its obvious they can summon the lower and inferior ones. It gets no simpler than that.

Also, Kisame is not breaking Frog Sound. If all it takes was for his sword to jolt chakra into him then the Peins would have broken out because Nagato is constantly sending his chakra into their bodies.

Having a contract seal does grant you abilities to all the summonings but you need to be under certaint conditions to do so if that wasit the case of being a sage why didnt jiraiya just summon ma & pa? instead of wasting all the time with his hand together because he needed to be a sage first. Oro can summon Aoda but that isnt a good example because Aoda is a part of the summonings contract ritual because he is a newer snake and like gamakichi was smaller back then so using him in battle would have been useless orochimaro 8 headed snake is his personally just like he turns to a white snake. oro does not have access to manda 2 because its his personally same with the ryuchidou cave snakes oro cannot summon them because they're not your average joe summonings like manda & manda 2 minato cannot summon ma & pa because they're in direct line form gamamaru.

Chakra distruption isnt the only way to break genjutsu pain can aswell

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How about no? Sealing Formulas aren't chakra so they don't get absorbed.

the seals contain chakra in them to warp people once you suck the chakra out of the seal like god tree did for example they are unable to use ftg

Gosh, this Ma and pa thing is still being debated

- summoning contract with the toads gives the summoner access to all toads
- those who can summon Bunta can summon all toads of Mount Myoboku(according to kishi)
- Minato is a perfect sage, no matter what his skill level of senjutsu is.
- Fukasaku knows Minato, Fukasaku obviously trained minato in senjutsu (who else could have)?
- After becoming a sage, the next step in sage training is to fuse with Fukasaku
- the idiot who said sage minato is an Edo feat needs serious mental help. How could minato learn sage mode in the middle of war U_U

Minato can only use sage mode for one attack if even that not long enough for him to perform any jutsu especially one that uses ma & pa sound genjutsu is counters as i shown above

 

[KidGamer65]

the seals contain chakra in them to warp people once you suck the chakra out of the seal like god tree did for example they are unable to use ftg

Wrong. Sealing formulas have NEVER contained or been made out of chakra in this manga, don't even know where that idea came from but nothing in the manga has ever supported it.

The God Tree only drained Minato of his chakra, meaning he couldn't teleport to Naruto. Minato never even marked Naruto, so there goes your argument.

 

[LuckyMan]

Having a contract seal does grant you abilities to all the summonings but you need to be under certaint conditions to do so if that wasit the case of being a sage why didnt jiraiya just summon ma & pa? instead of wasting all the time with his hand together because he needed to be a sage first. Oro can summon Aoda but that isnt a good example because Aoda is a part of the summonings contract ritual because he is a newer snake and like gamakichi was smaller back then so using him in battle would have been useless orochimaro 8 headed snake is his personally just like he turns to a white snake. oro does not have access to manda 2 because its his personally same with the ryuchidou cave snakes oro cannot summon them because they're not your average joe summonings like manda & manda 2 minato cannot summon ma & pa because they're in direct line form gamamaru.

Chakra distruption isnt the only way to break genjutsu pain can aswell

And..........

We're done as well.

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[Haizaki]

I'm agreeing with Unorthodox here.

-Kisame floods the battle field
-Creates clones like he did against Team Gai to cover all sides

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. If Minato appears and tries to attack,

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this happens
-He can end this fight quickly by doing just this

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-What does Minato do about this?

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[LuckyMan]

I'm agreeing with Unorthodox here.

-Kisame floods the battle field
-Creates clones like he did against Team Gai to cover all sides

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. If Minato appears and tries to attack,

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this happens
-He can end this fight quickly by doing just this

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-What does Minato do about this?

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Read the thread first. Kisames whole arsenal has been countered many times over now..........

 

[Gold Lightning]

Having a contract seal does grant you abilities to all the summonings but you need to be under certaint conditions to do so if that wasit the case of being a sage why didnt jiraiya just summon ma & pa? instead of wasting all the time with his hand together because he needed to be a sage first. Oro can summon Aoda but that isnt a good example because Aoda is a part of the summonings contract ritual because he is a newer snake and like gamakichi was smaller back then so using him in battle would have been useless orochimaro 8 headed snake is his personally just like he turns to a white snake. oro does not have access to manda 2 because its his personally same with the ryuchidou cave snakes oro cannot summon them because they're not your average joe summonings like manda & manda 2 minato cannot summon ma & pa because they're in direct line form gamamaru.

Chakra distruption isnt the only way to break genjutsu pain can aswell


the seals contain chakra in them to warp people once you suck the chakra out of the seal like god tree did for example they are unable to use ftg


Minato can only use sage mode for one attack if even that not long enough for him to perform any jutsu especially one that uses ma & pa sound genjutsu is counters as i shown above

Were you born stupid or what? Ma and Pa make Minatos sage mode infinite, that's the whole point of the sage toads fusing with the user. And one attack? His arm got cut off after using one attack, how does that make his sage mode useful for one attack? Not to mention that you don't know if he just deactivated his sage mode or not. Without arms minato couldn't weave signs or fight properly anymore so why would he keep his sage mode activated?

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm agreeing with Unorthodox here.

-Kisame floods the battle field
-Creates clones like he did against Team Gai to cover all sides

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. If Minato appears and tries to attack,

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this happens
-He can end this fight quickly by doing just this

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-What does Minato do about this?

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The healing part is the only issue here. Water Clones are absolute fodder, flooding the battlefield won't stop him, and a Space Time Barrier will let him suck the 1000 feeding sharks in, or a toad will let him jump over it.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Minato dies mid difficulty.

 

[Haizaki]

The healing part is the only issue here. Water Clones are absolute fodder, flooding the battlefield won't stop him, and a Space Time Barrier will let him suck it in, or a toad will let him jump over it.

Yeah Kisame can easily regenerate. The water clones are fodder but if Minato comes in contact he gets trapped. The only way like you said earlier, is for him to tag bunta or a clone.
If Kisame uses the larger dome, and they all get caught up, tagging bunta may only save him for the first time. For example, he tags bunta and bunta swims towards a different direction would only save him the first time.

- Kisame can create sharks and make them attack bunta like he did here

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and then chase Minato himself. If Bunta dies, Minato can teleport to him but bunta won't be able to move towards a different direction and Minato would get caught eventually.

 

[Bogard]

Minato can only use sage mode for one attack if even that not long enough for him to perform any jutsu especially one that uses ma & pa sound genjutsu is counters as i shown above

Not this shit again? The amount of time you can maintain Sage Mode depends on the amount of natural energy you collect in the body while mixing it with your physical and spiritual energy. Minato apparently entered Sage Mode instantly against Madara, so it's likely he didn't even get the time to collect as much natural energy as he could if he weren't in the Madara trying to steal back his rinnengan and Kyubi at any time situation. It's for that reason the FTG-Rasengan attack took the little natural energy he could collect enough for him to get back to normal mode. It's my take on it at least after reconsidering the facts

OT: Naruto with inferior shunshin to Minato blitz him before he could react. Minato will kill him start of battle or at the very least put a mark on him and kill him later

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah Kisame can easily regenerate. The water clones are fodder but if Minato comes in contact he gets trapped. The only way like you said earlier, is for him to tag bunta or a clone.

Or he teleports to a Kunai on the ground, that he usually spreads. Minato isn't going to come in contact with his fodder clones so there is no issue.

If Kisame uses the larger dome, and they all get caught up, tagging bunta may only save him for the first time. For example, he tags bunta and bunta swims towards a different direction would only save him the first time.

The first time will be the last time, cause once he's out, he can spread markings far out of Kisame's reach.

- Kisame can create sharks and make them attack bunta like he did here

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and then chase Minato himself. If Bunta dies, Minato can teleport to him but bunta won't be able to move towards a different direction and Minato would get caught eventually.

Or....Bunta fights back and hits them with Water Bullets, and that's GG weak summoned sharks, and continues to swim the opposite direction from Minato, who is getting chased by Kisame, once Bunta gets out, Minato teleports to him. Not to mention Minato still has clones, so he can move in multiple directions.