[VS] Kakuzu vs Current Gaara

[Forbidden Technique]

Again took my words out of context. Did I not say that "whatever range Kakuzu's Wind can reach" will overpower the spot of the tsunami. The rest of the wave will be a non factor on taking out Kakuzu from there. So what exactly do I need to "try again":

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Keep in mind about the location that Kakuzu's attack was bombarding (large trees in a instant destroyed):

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So again the "rest of the wave" is a non factor as for the direct wave towards him opens a path/ hit gaara in the mist.

Don't even know why i'm arguing on this matter, as it was never my idea for Gaara to create a sand tsunami as means to catch him in a prison sand burial. He doesn't need to, so this is pointless. The sand will appear from right under Kakuzu's feet. In any case, my point still stands. There will still be a remaining wave of sand after the air blast.

Never made that claim. Putting words in my mouth. Re read my quote. In fact my only claim about Domu was what I just underline and bold from your sentence.

Then you need to make up your mind. Either Kakuzu is going to use Domo so he can withstanding the sand binding without being crushed. Or he is going to use Jingou. That, and you need to be more clear when you type.

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2. Using Sand from the ground = Domu to overcome it (His whole body doesn't need to be Domu) due to it's slow process of sinking the enemy.

Then you are Jingou that easily seeps through the sand attacks.

Two, I don't see how using Domo and Jingou stops Kakuzu from sinking. He'll still be immobile. Also, Gaara can simply attack Kakuzu from above while he is sinking [

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Domu was used to argue from the binding of Sand. You already arguing that Kakuzu has already been sinked 200 meters while I am arguing in the mist of getting sinked. So yes Jingou attach on gaara or trees will be perfect.
As for those Sand drops I can't take that featless attack seriously as it does no damage to anything in Kakuzu's position.

At first I assumed you meant that Kakuzu was only going to use Domo on his lower half as he uses his upper body tendrils to dig himself out. So that is why I brought up Gaara's sand hail which would pelt Kakuzu's unhardened upper body and form a sand coffin from the clumps of sand. Your response in the bold gave me the impression that you were implying that Kakuzu will be using Domo throughout his whole body and Jingou in unison. Unless you ridiculously think the sand hail will be rendered useless to Kakuzus defenseless body.

Your doing it again, claiming that Kakuzu already starts 200 meters down and ignoring my example of kimimaro (who never went 200 meters down. Gaara made that claim that he will do it, Kimi never let him finish going that deep without countering)

Odd that you tell me to re-read your quote as i'm putting words in your mouth. Did I say Kakuzu starts 200 meters in the earth? I'm simply reiterating what will happen to Kakuzu when he sinks to the bottom, as you have yet to provide a viable counter that suggests Kakuzu will be able to withstand and get himself out of the prison sand burial.

Does Kakuzu possess a technique in his arsenal that allows him to completely avoid contact with the sand as Kimmimaro did when he conjoined himself within the bones? No. So I have no clue why you find this as a viable example as to why Kakuzu won't be sinking 200 meters in.

No way is it foolish to used Jingou in the situation as Kimi using seed fern in his. Both are excellent "uprooting from the ground" attack which was demonstrated in the manga. You also made a claim that Kakuzu's hearts are still stocked inside him. No my man they would be already out bombarding Gaara. I mention Jingou explaining what the black threads can do. Seconding, the sinking sand was no pressure attack until it reaches futher unto the ground (as you may say 200 meters). But again you are saying that because you are concluding that Kakuzu is "already" in that position.

Jesus Christ. Kimmimaro's innate durability is what saved him from being crushed, and allowed him to use his seed fern. He then conjoined with the seed fern, which allowed him to completely avoid the sand that was binding him down. If Kakuzu is using Jingou, that means he isn't using Domo. If there isn't any immediate pressure when sinking, then Gaara can use Sand Coffin in unison with the burial. It's really that simple. And going back to my previous point, Kakuzu using Jingou allows access for the sand to seep within him and crush his heart with the Sand Coffin. Thus making Kakuzu a life-less rag-doll where he'd surely sink in to whatever depth Gaara desires.

And I was only assuming that Jingou requires multiple hearts to be within Kakuzu. As that's what the case seemed to be, seeing that both his hearts joined back into Kakuzu rather then one. If that's not the case, then I'd like to see some sort of feasible proof of this.

How so, please explain? What feat does it have to make any benefits in this battle?

@Zexion I simply arguing in a "worst case scenario". "If Kakuzu ever encounter in that situation"

Why does it need feats to be beneficial. It's the same as

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only on a larger scale and with larger clumps of sand. It pelts the enemy at a high speed, then engulfs the opponent in sand leaving an opening for

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It would be extremely unfortunate for Kakuzu to get caught by this combo in his Jingou form, as it's certain death.

Your comment to Zexion comes off as if, it's extremely unlikely for this to occur... yet no feasible counters or a way of avoiding it has been presented.

Damn. Which side should I debate for. :|

It's 2 V 1 right now, so help your man EjBlack out.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

1) you seem to confuse attack annd defence. Punching an iron gate is not a defencive feat,but an attacking one. Kimi's bones broke when he attacked,when gaara attacked kimi however,he cudnt hurt him,his bones tanked everything,his bones in based easily withstood chakra infused blades,without even going cs2 or cs1. Also doton domu has a weakness of lightening jutsus unlike kimi's cs2 body.

Ok thank you captain obvious. All these pointers brings nothing to refute my claims regardless. Please don't even waste my time in this part of that argument since you concede countless times of Domu>Kimi's bone and its effectiveness again Gaara's Sand:

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Misconceptions of Domu Domu:​

For one, it doesn't turn the body into diamond, it just makes it as hard as diamond. If that was the reason then Kakuzu would take on all of the properties of diamond, including its shine.

2nd: Another misconception is the whole "diamond is brittle". Diamond cracks under sharp exertion of force not because it is hard, rather it does because it is brittle. Along with hardness, brittleness is another property of diamond. In engineering, hardness was never, is never, and will never be the same as brittleness. So Yes, diamond is brittle, but also hard, and the databook didn't say "Domu is as brittle as diamond". No where in canon was Domu associated with any other property of diamond besides its hardness. If Kakuzu were simply a giant diamond, Chouji Spiked Human Bullet Tank would have cracked him. That attack cratered the ground."

"diamond is hard,not strong,you know you can take a hammer and crush a diamond right?,diamond is harder than steel,but steel is way stornger,so kimi's bones being said to be above steel while in base(not even counting CS) means it is indeed above doton domu in strength,not hardness. Also it clearly says gaara crushes the HARDEST minerals,not STRONGEST. Kimi's bones resisted samurai chakra blades in base IIRC,but the pressure exertet by a 13 yr old gaara forced him to go CS1 first,then CS2 for the desert requiem. Kimi's bones in base would easily pierce a tree,or rock."

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Thanks to EjBlack for this.

(NK Quoted me when I post this to a Gaara vs Kakuzu thread lone time ago.)
Then there was one more which I will find soon (which I gotta dig deep on). But not that it matters from those point on. Theres no argument here about Domu encounter with Sand.

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i am pretty sure the depth and speed of of the quicksand jutsu wll be much higher for a 16 yrold gaara than 13yr old one. Oh and gaara doent just throw sand,he controls it,whether kakuzu can blow a hole in his sand tsunami dosent matter,gaara can easily control the wave to hit kakzuzu. However,kakuzu's wind mask actually managing to blow this

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is quite ridiculous.

Again your wasting my time underplaying the Wind Release that its not worth my time. You overshadow all my case against it and yet post a picture of a tsunami "makes it automatically inferior". Then your making feats up to claim that he can control the tsunami wave. This is my last post to you as I am wasting my time as much as I did and our older debates. You simply use fanboy arguments. Good day.

Don't even know why i'm arguing on this matter, as it was never my idea for Gaara to create a sand tsunami as means to catch him in a prison sand burial. He doesn't need to, so this is pointless. The sand will appear from right under Kakuzu's feet. In any case, my point still stands. There will still be a remaining wave of sand after the air blast.

My argument was about the tsunami consuming him. Which I already rebuttal so whatever your case it good for you I guess, as I already post a counter of being consumed.

Then you need to make up your mind. Either Kakuzu is going to use Domo so he can withstanding the sand binding without being crushed. Or he is going to use Jingou. That, and you need to be more clear when you type.

Ok let me be clear then:

Domu withstands the binding. The binding pressure in the manga only applies once then the tech is over. Kakuzu just gets out right after.

As for Jingou he uses it to either attach to anywhere from the location or takes Gaara with him, since sinking sand is his close range sand move. Unless you of course prove he and locate the sink anywhere it wants.

At first I assumed you meant that Kakuzu was only going to use Domo on his lower half as he uses his upper body tendrils to dig himself out. So that is why I brought up Gaara's sand hail which would pelt Kakuzu's unhardened upper body and form a sand coffin from the clumps of sand. Your response in the bold gave me the impression that you were implying that Kakuzu will be using Domo throughout his whole body and Jingou in unison. Unless you ridiculously think the sand hail will be rendered useless to Kakuzus defenseless body.

No Domu is only to tank the pressure then he gets out by removing the jutsu.

Odd that you tell me to re-read your quote as i'm putting words in your mouth. Did I say Kakuzu starts 200 meters in the earth? I'm simply reiterating what will happen to Kakuzu when he sinks to the bottom, as you have yet to provide a viable counter that suggests Kakuzu will be able to withstand and get himself out of the prison sand burial.

I just post it.
"Domu withstands the binding. The binding pressure in the manga only applies once then the tech is over. Kakuzu just gets out right after.

As for Jingou he uses it to either attach to anywhere from the location or takes Gaara with him, since sinking sand is his close range sand move. Unless you of course prove he and locate the sink anywhere it wants."

Does Kakuzu possess a technique in his arsenal that allows him to completely avoid contact with the sand as Kimmimaro did when he conjoined himself within the bones? No. So I have no clue why you find this as a viable example as to why Kakuzu won't be sinking 200 meters in.

Where going around in circles. Are you claiming that to specifically counter being buried is to possess a technique that allows you to completely conjioned with your technique?

Jesus Christ. Kimmimaro's innate durability is what saved him from being crushed, and allowed him to use his seed fern. He then conjoined with the seed fern, which allowed him to completely avoid the sand that was binding him down. If Kakuzu is using Jingou, that means he isn't using Domo. If there isn't any immediate pressure when sinking, then Gaara can use Sand Coffin in unison with the burial. It's really that simple. And going back to my previous point, Kakuzu using Jingou allows access for the sand to seep within him and crush his heart with the Sand Coffin. Thus making Kakuzu a life-less rag-doll where he'd surely sink in to whatever depth Gaara desires.

Again you keep bringing the claim that Kakuzu will be completely sink and can't do nothing about it. Kakuku is more intelligent then Kimi he doesn't have to wait until he is buried to counter. He counters before he is completely sinked.

And I was only assuming that Jingou requires multiple hearts to be within Kakuzu. As that's what the case seemed to be, seeing that both his hearts joined back into Kakuzu rather then one. If that's not the case, then I'd like to see some sort of feasible proof of this.

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Why does it need feats to be beneficial. It's the same as

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only on a larger scale and with larger clumps of sand. It pelts the enemy at a high speed, then engulfs the opponent in sand leaving an opening for

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It would be extremely unfortunate for Kakuzu to get caught by this combo in his Jingou form, as it's certain death.

Ok since I didn't know that was the same move I could rationalize that it will do the same.
So sure Defensively only he gets buried?

Your comment to Zexion comes off as if, it's extremely unlikely for this to occur... yet no feasible counters or a way of avoiding it has been presented.

Of course, since I am only making a defensive argument only. Offensively Gaara is screwed with Wind attack, Wind+Fire, and definitely Lightening.

It's 2 V 1 right now, so help your man EjBlack out.

Nope I am not going through arguing with genii fanboy posts right now. Some times I can tolerated it and at times I feel like Im wasting my time making long post. As for you:

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#InARespectedMatter

 

[Liath]

the manga already said it


until its proven wrong that must be taken as fact

that is what's known as hype my friend...put what we know of hiruzen and 3rd raikage in a match and its obvious raikage will win. abilities and FEATS must be taken as fact, while rank and hype usually mean little. naruto = genin; sasuke = genin; asuma = jonin; kurenai = jonin

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Before I call i a night I want to point out that "Domu makes him immobile is a bad translation there are other sources that just says this when translated:
"Earth Release: Earth Spear (土遁・土矛, Doton: Domu)
Ninjutsu, B-rank, Supplementary
User: Kakuzu

A body like diamond, repelling everything!!

With the chakra flowing through all parts of one's body, the skin is hardened, increasing its defence power to its utmost limits. Furthermore, the destructive power of human bullet attacks is increased, making this a great all-purpose technique. The amount of techniques that can break through the areas hardened by the "Earth Spear" are close to zero, not including its undeniable weak point: "Lightning Release Ninjutsu".

Then we could see all the manga he did use it and Actually DID MOVE using that tech. So different clearer translation and manga pages refutes him being immobile.

 

[genii96]

Ok thank you captain obvious. All these pointers brings nothing to refute my claims regardless. Please don't even waste my time in this part of that argument since you concede countless times of Domu>Kimi's bone and its effectiveness again Gaara's Sand:

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(NK Quoted me when I post this to a Gaara vs Kakuzu thread lone time ago.)
Then there was one more which I will find soon (which I gotta dig deep on). But not that it matters from those point on. Theres no argument here about Domu encounter with Sand.





Again your wasting my time underplaying the Wind Release that its not worth my time. You overshadow all my case against it and yet post a picture of a tsunami "makes it automatically inferior". Then your making feats up to claim that he can control the tsunami wave. This is my last post to you as I am wasting my time as much as I did and our older debates. You simply use fanboy arguments. Good day.



My argument was about the tsunami consuming him. Which I already rebuttal so whatever your case it good for you I guess, as I already post a counter of being consumed.





Ok let me be clear then:

Domu withstands the binding. The binding pressure in the manga only applies once then the tech is over. Kakuzu just gets out right after.

As for Jingou he uses it to either attach to anywhere from the location or takes Gaara with him, since sinking sand is his close range sand move. Unless you of course prove he and locate the sink anywhere it wants.




No Domu is only to tank the pressure then he gets out by removing the jutsu.



I just post it.
"Domu withstands the binding. The binding pressure in the manga only applies once then the tech is over. Kakuzu just gets out right after.

As for Jingou he uses it to either attach to anywhere from the location or takes Gaara with him, since sinking sand is his close range sand move. Unless you of course prove he and locate the sink anywhere it wants."



Where going around in circles. Are you claiming that to specifically counter being buried is to possess a technique that allows you to completely conjioned with your technique?



Again you keep bringing the claim that Kakuzu will be completely sink and can't do nothing about it. Kakuku is more intelligent then Kimi he doesn't have to wait until he is buried to counter. He counters before he is completely sinked.




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Ok since I didn't know that was the same move I could rationalize that it will do the same.
So sure Defensively only he gets buried?



Of course, since I am only making a defensive argument only. Offensively Gaara is screwed with Wind attack, Wind Fire, and definitely Lightening.




Nope I am not going through arguing with genii fanboy posts right now. Some times I can tolerated it and at times I feel like Im wasting my time making long post. As for you:

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#InARespectedMatter

1) i have absolutely no idea what that thread,nor what NK's post,adds to this argument. I never conceeded anything,doton domu is harder,kimi's bones are stronger which is what i said,so why bother link me back to those threads. Telling me a wind attack that cant even wipe out a forest is actualy going to halt a sand tsunami of that size is baseless at best.

Of course gaara can control the tsunami wave,he controls sand,which the wave is made of.how is that so hard to see?

"This technique creates a massive amount of sandin the form of a wave, covering and"drowning" the opponent in an ocean of sand. From the sand Gaaracarries in his gourd, he grinds the rocks and minerals from underground into a large sea of sand and manipulates it like a tsunami that engulfs absolutely all the things in his line ofsight. This raging sea deals a lot of damage by itself, but one can further take advantageof the sand for a second and a third consecutive assault.Gaara can control the sand, allowing him to attack his opponent while they attempt to outrun the wave. This technique has the added effect of changing the landscape. It is usually followed by an area crushing technique to kill the trapped opponent."

no way is hell is that wind blast stopping a sand tsunami from hitting kakuzu,

 

[DrProof]

Before I call i a night I want to point out that "Domu makes him immobile is a bad translation there are other sources that just says this when translated:
"Earth Release: Earth Spear (土遁・土矛, Doton: Domu)
Ninjutsu, B-rank, Supplementary
User: Kakuzu

A body like diamond, repelling everything!!

With the chakra flowing through all parts of one's body, the skin is hardened, increasing its defence power to its utmost limits. Furthermore, the destructive power of human bullet attacks is increased, making this a great all-purpose technique. The amount of techniques that can break through the areas hardened by the "Earth Spear" are close to zero, not including its undeniable weak point: "Lightning Release Ninjutsu".

Then we could see all the manga he did use it and Actually DID MOVE using that tech. So different clearer translation and manga pages refutes him being immobile.

Sorry bro he cannot move while using Doton: Domu. He solidifies himself internally, making him immobile.

However, Domu has tanking feats in which are equal to that of the Kyuubi's Cloak:

People are seriously underrating Doton: Domu.. To begin this thread, I want to first notify some important feats Doton: Domu has as of currently:

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With that addition, I will now move on to the big stuff.

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Doton: Domu was said to be as hard as a Diamond in which shares characteristics to that of Monkey King: Enma.

Monkey King Enma's transformation technique, which is characterized by the hardness of diamond.

With that being noted Doton: Domu itself within the Databooks was hinted to have diamond like properties when Kakuzu activated this defense:

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Adamant and similar words are used to refer to any especially hard substance, whether composed of diamond, some other gemstone, or some type of metal. Both adamant and diamond derive from the Greek word αδαμαστος (adamastos), meaning "untameable". Adamantite and adamantium (a metallic name derived from the Neo-Latin ending -ium) are also common variants.

Adamantine has, throughout ancient history, referred to anything that was made of a very hard material. Virgil describes Tartarus as having a screeching gate protected by columns of solid adamantine (Aeneid book VI). Later, by the Middle Ages, the term came to refer to diamond, as it was the hardest material then known, and remains the hardest non-synthetic material known.

Diamond, and Adamantine are similar in which the same feats can be given to Doton: Domu that were given to Monkey King Enma's transformation technique: Henge: Kongōnyoi

So let's take the feats from Enma's adamantine structure, and give them to Kakuzu's Doton: Domu:

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And now due to Enma's structure blocking Kusanagi we can add this both to Kakuzu's Doton: Domu feats, and Monkey King Enma's.

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Now that Doton: Domu's durability has been equalized to that of Naruto's Kyuubi Cloak, we can apply Kyuubi Cloak durability feats in which Naruto has showcased many times throughout the series:

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It is also arguable to say that Doton: Domu due to it being the hardest materia within the NV, along with having one weakness (Raiton) it could possibly tank many other things. This statement in which Kakuzu himself had iterated stands true, excluding Raiton-based techniques however:​

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Here are more feats of Kyuubi cloak.

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It can tank multiple strikes from a v2 jinchuriki. The same type of strikes that can rip Kisames torso open.

 

[DrProof]

1) i have absolutely no idea what that thread,nor what NK's post,adds to this argument. I never conceeded anything,doton domu is harder,kimi's bones are stronger which is what i said,so why bother link me back to those threads. Telling me a wind attack that cant even wipe out a forest is actualy going to halt a sand tsunami of that size is baseless at best.

Of course gaara can control the tsunami wave,he controls sand,which the wave is made of.how is that so hard to see?

"This technique creates a massive amount of sandin the form of a wave, covering and"drowning" the opponent in an ocean of sand. From the sand Gaaracarries in his gourd, he grinds the rocks and minerals from underground into a large sea of sand and manipulates it like a tsunami that engulfs absolutely all the things in his line ofsight. This raging sea deals a lot of damage by itself, but one can further take advantageof the sand for a second and a third consecutive assault.Gaara can control the sand, allowing him to attack his opponent while they attempt to outrun the wave. This technique has the added effect of changing the landscape. It is usually followed by an area crushing technique to kill the trapped opponent."

no way is hell is that wind blast stopping a sand tsunami from hitting kakuzu,

I have to disagree with you saying the underlined, and here is why:

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Take heed of not only the radius, but the underlined caption at the bottom right. "Gouge the Earth". This is a rather simplistic concept if I may, because look here:

Gaara doesn't need a lot "time" to create sand remember his sand is automatic, and very quick to conjure itself to massive quantities/multiple qualities. Kimimaro had made a logical statement regarding this

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. While this was true, Gaara's rebuttal was "He could do anything if sand was in his possession

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. With that being noted sand can be created from ANY mineral within the ground, and the surface in this location is of course ground or earth; that being also noted Gaara, and Lee bring us to this realization

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Take heed of Gaara proclaiming "It doesn't take any effort for me to create sand from the ground", giving the public the impression that not only is it easy for Gaara to create sand from the surface, but it's a quick process as well. To further more back up my claim that Gaara is able to create a huge quantity of sand quickly is this panel

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being able to create a huge wall of sand within seconds, that is beyond quick. This quick session of conjuring sand from the ground turned into this conclusion only within seconds

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that's beyond impressive no matter how you look at it, Gaara created a waterfall made out of sand within a few seconds; a speed feat in itself.

Basically in the above quote I was going in dept on how Gaara uses the Earth to create more sand etc. Due to this canonical fact Gaara's sand = Earth; in which Wind Release: Atsugai rips through the sand as stated within the Databook entry I've linked previously.

 

[Zexion~]

Sorry bro he cannot move while using Doton: Domu. He solidifies himself internally, making him immobile.

However, Domu has tanking feats in which are equal to that of the Kyuubi's Cloak:

Hasn't the data book been proven wrong 0.o

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[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Hasn't the data book been proven wrong 0.o

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I know jack squat about Kakuzu, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Isn't he able to move because he's only hardened only one part of his body? Since Domu solidifies him internally, and he's only solidified his arm, isn't the rest of his body still mobile? Which would explain why he's able to move.

 

[DrProof]

I know jack squat about Kakuzu, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Isn't he able to move because he's only hardened only one part of his body? Since Domu solidifies him internally, and he's only solidified his arm, isn't the rest of his body still mobile? Which would explain why he's able to move.

You are correct. However, I think that Kakuzu jumped in order to gain momentum to smash the doors apart. I'm looking for the scan now, I swear it's been shown before.

 

[Zexion~]

I know jack squat about Kakuzu, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Isn't he able to move because he's only hardened only one part of his body? Since Domu solidifies him internally, and he's only solidified his arm, isn't the rest of his body still mobile? Which would explain why he's able to move.

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It says the Hardened body part CAN NOT BE MOVED (not trying to yell at you or anything just making it clear) .. so not only does it say it can not move.. it says BE MOVED .. so not im 99% sure the data book is wrong on this one .. because CAN NOT BE MOVED also means that it could not move even if Kakuzu were to jump .. unless they simply misphrased it .. but not really good to do to that in a data book

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

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It says the Hardened body part CAN NOT BE MOVED (not trying to yell at you or anything just making it clear) .. so not only does it say it can not move.. it says BE MOVED .. so not im 99% sure the data book is wrong on this one .. because CAN NOT BE MOVED also means that it could not move even if Kakuzu were to jump .. unless they simply misphrased it .. but not really good to do to that in a data book

Oh yeah, never clocked that before. That's some weird shit man, thanks.

 

[Zexion~]

Oh yeah, never clocked that before. That's some weird shit man, thanks.

No problem ..

 

[genii96]

I have to disagree with you saying the underlined, and here is why:

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Take heed of not only the radius, but the underlined caption at the bottom right. "Gouge the Earth". This is a rather simplistic concept if I may, because look here:



Basically in the above quote I was going in dept on how Gaara uses the Earth to create more sand etc. Due to this canonical fact Gaara's sand = Earth; in which Wind Release: Atsugai rips through the sand as stated within the Databook entry I've linked previously.

it's a common misconception that gaara's sand is equal to earth. However,gaara can compress his sand to "steel like" qualities",and he also adds the toughest minerals as well to add up.
Which in turn makes the sand be able to block stuff like this

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no way his sand would have blocked c3 if it was the same as regular earth.

Also if his sand was=earth,madara's susanoo sword would have cut through it and killed him. Also kimi's bones which are above steel by a large margin,would have broken his defence and killed him.

I am not doubting the radius of that wind blast,but gaara's tsunami ever since he was a change completely altered the landscape of a forest,and then an entire rocky plane in the war arc.

Also in my post you quoted,note the quote i made on the sand tsunami,it also says he makes his sand from the rocks and minerals as well.

Gara's sand isnt the same as earth,it's a lot stronger

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Ehh, tbh.... I don't feel like continuing this debate. Don't take it as i'm admitting defeat, but I simply can't be bothered with it. Were going around in circles, and i've lost interest.

 

[Uchiha asami]

Gaara would win this.. Somewhere from mid to high diff.

i have to agree with this guy even though kakuzu has five hearts i cant imagine him taking down gaara's sand

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Gaara takes this.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Sorry bro he cannot move while using Doton: Domu. He solidifies himself internally, making him immobile.

However, Domu has tanking feats in which are equal to that of the Kyuubi's Cloak:

Here is what I see, and the reason why I distrust that translation:

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*Watch his Finger movement from the left panel to the right*

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*He is allow to get up after Domu*

And of course if you believe expression counts nor not, when Kakashi stabbed him in Domu.

So what I am applying is that Domu lacks mobility then actually being immobile .

 

[Unorthodox]

Gaara wins this med high diff

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Why do people even use that argument any?

Tsunami gg?
200 meter sink gg?

Why do people think that this is uncounterable?