[VS] Kakuzu vs Current Gaara

[kakashi owns all]

it was also once said that hiruzen was stronger than onoki, the 3rd raikage, and all other kages of his time..but we both know thats just pure hype, dont we? kakuzu cannot use suiton, his five hearts are as follows: lightning, wind,fire,earth, and his normal heart beating in his chest.

gaara wins high diff, because kakuzu's only chance of breaking through the ultimate defense is his lightning heart, and once gaara crushes it with sand coffin it's downhill for kakuzu. even with kakuzu's diamond armor, gaara can win with the sand tsunami/giant sand coffin and bury him 200 feet under the earth. even if kakuzu's diamond armor saves him, he can't move, and he loses.

That is true for him in his prime

just saying


OT: kakuzu should win but gaara could if he has intel

 

[DrProof]

Okay, I fail to see the counters here. Those two manga scans aren't comparable to that of Gaara's sand.

In the event that any of Kakuzu's hearts gets caught in Gaara's Sand Coffin, the sand will simply seep right threw the tendrils and crush the heart.

Another bad example. What makes you think Kakuzu's tendril limb being able to travel a few feet under soft ground justifies him accomplishing the same under Gaara's Sand Burial. It is made clear by the manga, that movement is simply

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under this depth of sand. While I do see his tendrils being devoid of such movement restrictions, they aren't covering 200m, nor digging him out for that matter.




You're wrong. Creating sand comes

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for Gaara.

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Okay. Then to completely dispute this argument, Kakuzu's mask take an aerial opposition, enabling them to be burried from within the ground.

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[Zexion~]

I won't argue that first point, not saying I agree with you, but I just want to keep my siding neutral, as I love both characters.

To counter your second rebuttal though.. Kakuzu cannot conjure up two raiton: Gians due to the fact Raiton: Gian needs multiple enemies or should I say "conductees" to multiply itself. If facing one opponent the Raiton:Gian will simply stay as a singular bolt, however the Raiton Mask can fire a singular succession of Raiton: Gians, but I doubt immediately after the other. The problem with Raiton: Gian needing a conductee is because a conductee (a person) has 60-70% of water within their body, so naturally water conduct lightning; you should get where I'm going.

You say Raiton can melt Sand correct? Well that is true, however not in this case, remember Sasuke used Chidori a highly concentrated Raiton technique in which pierced a V1 Shukaku Gaara? Gaara's sand did not melt, as it did against Sasuke's Amaterasu as the Gokage meeting. Thus, I can conclude that Raiton is indeed not hot enough to melt Gaara's sand unless it was natural lightning (such a Kirin), and not lightning created via chakra; as the heat produced would not be measurable to that of Amaterasu.

Don't forget the density, and overall measurements of Gaara's sand in which he can create. A single Raiton: Gian in which can pierce through rock, cannot be measured against Sand in which endured Kimimaro's strongest piercing attack.

Sigh guess i should of wrded it better ... When i said melt i did not mean completley turn it too mush .. Raiton softens it up with its heat allowing piercing attacks that normally would not get through ... to breach the sand, Hence why Kimi's Bones could not pierce it .. But a simply chidori could .. Also im not too sure about that conductor idea never heard it stated before, and I cant really get scans now but if that were the case 3 lightning bolts would of been fired at Ino,Shikamaru, and chouji but it was just the two..

@Forbidden - again effort=/= Time

 

[DrProof]

Sigh guess i should of wrded it better ... When i said melt i did not mean completley turn it too mush .. Raiton softens it up with its heat allowing piercing attacks that normally would not get through ... to breach the sand, Hence why Kimi's Bones could not pierce it .. But a simply chidori could .. Also im not too sure about that conductor idea never heard it stated before, and I cant really get scans now but if that were the case 3 lightning bolts would of been fired at Ino,Shikamaru, and chouji but it was just the two..

Remember in A.K.E I stated Ino was behind the tree completely out of Kakuzu's LoS (Line of Sight). So it couldn't have worked due to him not noticing the presence. And ah I get your point, but Quantity > Quality in some aspects, so a simply Gian could be rendered ineffective in the face of multiple shields of sand.

 

[Zexion~]

Remember in A.K.E I stated Ino was behind the tree completely out of Kakuzu's LoS (Line of Sight). So it couldn't have worked due to him not noticing the presence. And ah I get your point, but Quantity > Quality in some aspects, so a simply Gian could be rendered ineffective in the face of multiple shields of sand.

Hence why i was trying to argue the multiple gian .. So this conducter condition is it just for gian .. or all raiton .. must of missed this one in A.K.E if you dont feel like explaining i could go read up in the morning

 

[DrProof]

Hence why i was trying to argue the multiple gian .. So this conducter condition is it just for gian .. or all raiton .. must of missed this one in A.K.E if you dont feel like explaining i could go read up in the morning

I don't really notice any Raiton doing the same capabilities that Gian has achieved. So I just find it reasonable for Gian to be a conductee reliant. However, I could be wrong.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Okay. Then to completely dispute this argument, Kakuzu's mask take an aerial opposition, enabling them to be burried from within the ground.

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Don't be trolling me son. This doesn't give Kakuzu amnesty from getting burried 200m below the surface. I wasn't even talking about his masks.

Even so, this doesn't guarantee the masks safety. They are still susceptible to getting caught in a mid-air sand coffin, or Gaara can simply knock the only two masks that can fly out of the skies with

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, where they will be crushed.

@Forbidden - again effort=/= Time

Are you Ray Charles to the manga scans? It took him 1 page to create a monster sand tsunami out of the ground.

 

[Zexion~]

I don't really notice any Raiton doing the same capabilities that Gian has achieved. So I just find it reasonable for Gian to be a conductee reliant. However, I could be wrong.

Oh i see .. you theorized it for all the people who can't comprehend Kakuzu's true power :leaf: You realized how strong gian actually is and needed to find a weakness or drawback so the people would accept it and not call it hax .. and now that hes up against gaara .. your personal favorite you decided to implement said drawback ... Smoothly done my man

@Forbidden ... my man he was sunneling the sand into the ground creating all that sand before that, again im not saying it takes a while im just saying it can be exploited by the enemy also all masks can fly btw

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Don't be trolling me son. This doesn't give Kakuzu amnesty from getting burried 200m below the surface. I wasn't even talking about his masks.

Even so, this doesn't guarantee the masks safety. They are still susceptible to getting caught in a mid-air sand coffin, or Gaara can simply knock the only two masks that can fly out of the skies with

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, where they will be crushed.

I like how people completely ignores how Kimi's durability was able to overcome all of Gaara's binding attack. When Kakuzu's Domu completely surpasses Kimi's. So saying doing this tech in part 2 "upgrade" is irreverent to even be successful

 

[Forbidden Technique]

@Forbidden ... my man he was sunneling the sand into the ground creating all that sand before that, again im not saying it takes a while im just saying it can be exploited by the enemy also all masks can fly btw

And where is your proof in saying Gaara was funneling sand into the ground beforehand. Gaara explains

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that he creates the sand by pressurizing minerals with his chakra, not sand. And I wasn't positive on Kakuzu's hearts, but where was it showcased that they can all fly.

I like how people completely ignores how Kimi's durability was able to overcome all of Gaara's binding attack. When Kakuzu's Domu completely surpasses Kimi's. So saying doing this tech in part 2 "upgrade" is irreverent to even be successful

Okay, cool. So explain to me how Kakuzu digs himself out of being burried 200m in sand which will completely restrict his movements. On top of the fact that Kakuzu already can't move from using Domo.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Okay, cool. So explain to me how Kakuzu digs himself out of being burried 200m in sand which will completely restrict his movements. On top of the fact that Kakuzu already can't move from using Domo.

First of all that will never happen even with those 2 scenarios:
1. Using Tsunami wave to buried him = Getting blast with Wind Release
2. Using Sand from the ground = Domu to overcome it (His whole body doesn't need to be Domu) due to it's slow process of sinking the enemy.

Then you are Jingou that easily seeps through the sand attacks.

 

[Shura]

I'd give this to Kakuzu. Gian can pierce Gaara's Dome and the masks can fly.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Gaara wins.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Kakuzu takes this

 

[TheEvilOne]

Kakuzu takes this

No. He gets fodderized like Kimimaro. Gaara buries him, GG.

 

[genii96]

I like how people completely ignores how Kimi's durability was able to overcome all of Gaara's binding attack. When Kakuzu's Domu completely surpasses Kimi's. So saying doing this tech in part 2 "upgrade" is irreverent to even be successful

kimi's durability is a kkg,and was powered by his cursed seal level 2 even further,the greates thing kakuzu with his domu has tanked is choji's spiked ball attack,whereas kimi tanked being underground 200m deep,tanked a giant sand burial etc

Kimi's durability when in cs2 is either in the same league or above kakuzu's.

Oh,and gaara could bury someone 200m when he was 13,which means current gaara can do much more.

First of all that will never happen even with those 2 scenarios:
1. Using Tsunami wave to buried him = Getting blast with Wind Release
2. Using Sand from the ground = Domu to overcome it (His whole body doesn't need to be Domu) due to it's slow process of sinking the enemy.

Then you are Jingou that easily seeps through the sand attacks.

gaara's sand tsunami when he was 13 upturned an entire forest,kakuzu's wind release did no such thing,current gaara's sand tsunami is a lot bigger.

Who says burying someone is slow?,and while kakuzu focuses on his domu,the open skin that he dosent fcus it on will get attacked by sand. Kakuzu can't do anythging while being buried 200m deep,or if cught by gaara's pyramid

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

No. He gets fodderized like Kimimaro. Gaara buries him, GG.

even Sasuke fodderized Itachi by your logic
stop trolling around please

 

[TheEvilOne]

even Sasuke fodderized Itachi by your logic
stop trolling around please

Yes, he did.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Yes, he did.

no because Sasuke couldn't do crap
Itachi died because of his sickness

 

[TheEvilOne]

no because Sasuke couldn't do crap
Itachi died because of his sickness

Sasuke pushed him to his limits. That's why he died.