[VS] Kakuzu vs Current Gaara

[Zexion~]

And where is your proof in saying Gaara was funneling sand into the ground beforehand. Gaara explains

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that he creates the sand by pressurizing minerals with his chakra, not sand. And I wasn't positive on Kakuzu's hearts, but where was it showcased that they can all fly.

I guess your right ..i could of sworn i remember Gaara saying he has to grind up the minerals and dirt with his own sand ..creating the extra sand...

Well anyways you already saw the other two flying

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and the earth heart never really leaves Kakuzu

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Sasuke pushed him to his limits. That's why he died.

Itachi had a sickness and low stamina
this is why he died
/discussion

 

[Forbidden Technique]

First of all that will never happen even with those 2 scenarios:
1. Using Tsunami wave to buried him = Getting blast with Wind Release
2. Using Sand from the ground = Domu to overcome it (His whole body doesn't need to be Domu) due to it's slow process of sinking the enemy.

Then you are Jingou that easily seeps through the sand attacks.

His wind release isn't even on the same scale as Gaaras sand tsunamis, number one.
Two, I don't see how using Domo and Jingou stops Kakuzu from sinking. He'll still be immobile. Also, Gaara can simply attack Kakuzu from above while he is sinking [

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I guess your right ..i could of sworn i remember Gaara saying he has to grind up the minerals and dirt with his own sand ..creating the extra sand...

Well anyways you already saw the other two flying

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and the earth heart never really leaves Kakuzu

Fair enough, the 3 masks can fly. Still have yet to see a counter for Kakuzu regarding him getting buried.

 

[Zexion~]

His wind release isn't even on the same scale as Gaaras sand tsunamis, number one.
Two, I don't see how using Domo and Jingou stops Kakuzu from sinking. He'll still be immobile. Also, Gaara can simply attack Kakuzu from above while he is sinking [

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Fair enough, the 3 masks can fly. Still have yet to see a counter for Kakuzu regarding him getting buried.

His threads have already shown they can rip through the earth at an incredible rate not to mention its not like his hearts would stop fighting .. they would continue to fight on

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Gaara wins mid diff.

 

[Liath]

That is true for him in his prime

just saying


OT: kakuzu should win but gaara could if he has intel

uhhh prove it?

 

[genii96]

His threads have already shown they can rip through the earth at an incredible rate not to mention its not like his hearts would stop fighting .. they would continue to fight on

his threads are not 200m long:|

 

[Zexion~]

his threads are not 200m long:|

First off that could be proven wrong .. however thats not for now

they do not have to be .. they simply dig upwards bringing Kakuzu along for the ride .. all the while gaara will still be fighting the masks

 

[genii96]

First off that could be proven wrong .. however thats not for now

they do not have to be .. they simply dig upwards bringing Kakuzu along for the ride .. all the while gaara will still be fighting the masks

kakuzu cant cover his entire body with domu,and bring out threads at the same time you know?. If he is buried that deep,he will need to cover his entire body,how then is he gonna make any threads?.

His masks above wont really be of much help,since gaara can just sand hail,or sand drizzle all of them.

Also dont forget gaara's funjutsu,if gaara acrually senses any attempt to break free from kakuzu,he can just add extra measures and place a seal around the area.

Even if kakuzu somehow escapes,by the time he gets up,the entire place would be covered in sand,and gaara can simply catch him in a sand pyramid and place seals.

Gaara can even have sand clones face the masks anyway,while e makes sure kakuzu isnt getting out and suffocates

 

[Brother Numpsay]

kimi's durability is a kkg,and was powered by his cursed seal level 2 even further,the greates thing kakuzu with his domu has tanked is choji's spiked ball attack,whereas kimi tanked being underground 200m deep,tanked a giant sand burial etc

First you underrate Kakuzu's Domu feats to claim that Choji is the only feat Kakuzu's Domu encountered. You ignored that a Buiju crushed him completely to the ground and also he tooked down a sealed(key word) Iron Wall with a single Domu Punch:

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Kimi's durability when in cs2 is either in the same league or above kakuzu's.

Not even close:

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Part 1 Gaara broke his bones stop playing weak comparisons.

Oh,and gaara could bury someone 200m when he was 13,which means current gaara can do much more.

Gaara does it once then speculate that he has improve sinking his opponents. Not that it matter because he will never sink Kakuzu in that position.

gaara's sand tsunami when he was 13 upturned an entire forest,kakuzu's wind release did no such thing,current gaara's sand tsunami is a lot bigger.

Again underplaying Wind Release when the radius of the attack was shown to cover a whole large area. Then those who wasn't hit by the attack was still blow from the pressure of the attack. You want to make a circular argument that Gaara 's wave is still bigger but it was still be irrelevant as Kakuzu just made a safe spot from using Wind Release

Who says burying someone is slow?,and while kakuzu focuses on his domu,the open skin that he dosent fcus it on will get attacked by sand. Kakuzu can't do anythging while being buried 200m deep,or if cught by gaara's pyramid

Manga show that it is slow: It took two pages showing Kimi slowly getting buried. You also took my words out of context. I explained that Domu was only meant to counter being pressurized from sand burial. As for sinking, Kakuzu simply using Jingou to escape. By either attaching to Gaara or trees. Or just both at the same time.

His wind release isn't even on the same scale as Gaaras sand tsunamis, number one.

1.) I will avoid the circular argument as which is bigger as they are irrelevant. The scale has nothing to do with the attack power that Wind Release has, as Wind Release will simply overpower whatever point it can reach. So regardless as size Kakuzu still counters from being consumed by sand.

Two, I don't see how using Domo and Jingou stops Kakuzu from sinking. He'll still be immobile. Also, Gaara can simply attack Kakuzu from above while he is sinking [

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Domu was used to argue from the binding of Sand. Gaara made a claim that he will sink Kimi 200 meters. That claim does not mean Kimi successfully sinked 200 meters to the ground, then he countered. Kimi countered as soon his whole body was buried (which explained why you hear his voice using seeding ferns tech). You already arguing that Kakuzu has already been sinked 200 meters while I am arguing in the mist of getting sinked. So yes Jingou attach on gaara or trees will be perfect.
As for those Sand drops I can't take that featless attack seriously as it does no damage to anything in Kakuzu's position.

 

[Zexion~]

kakuzu cant cover his entire body with domu,and bring out threads at the same time you know?. If he is buried that deep,he will need to cover his entire body,how then is he gonna make any threads?.

His masks above wont really be of much help,since gaara can just sand hail,or sand drizzle all of them.

Also dont forget gaara's funjutsu,if gaara acrually senses any attempt to break free from kakuzu,he can just add extra measures and place a seal around the area.

Even if kakuzu somehow escapes,by the time he gets up,the entire place would be covered in sand,and gaara can simply catch him in a sand pyramid and place seals.

Gaara can even have sand clones face the masks anyway,while e makes sure kakuzu isnt getting out and suffocates

why would Kakuzu need to use domu underground .. He has a threaded and soft body structure .. He escapes from the ground easily and like i said Gaara will be busy fighting the hearts even when Kakuzu is underground

 

[Forbidden Technique]

1.) I will avoid the circular argument as which is bigger as they are irrelevant. The scale has nothing to do with the attack power that Wind Release has, as Wind Release will simply overpower whatever point it can reach. So regardless as size Kakuzu still counters from being consumed by sand.

Wrong. One burst of Kakuzu's air blast isn't going to "simply overpower" a sand tsunami. While it will be able to match it's driving force, it'll only last momentarily. Gaara's sand tsunami must be matched with a continuous attack,

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, that isn't going to parish into nothing within seconds; because after the wind is gone, there will still be a wave sand coming at Kakuzu. So try again.

Domu was used to argue from the binding of Sand. Gaara made a claim that he will sink Kimi 200 meters. That claim does not mean Kimi successfully sinked 200 meters to the ground, then he countered. Kimi countered as soon his whole body was buried (which explained why you hear his voice using seeding ferns tech). You already arguing that Kakuzu has already been sinked 200 meters while I am arguing in the mist of getting sinked. So yes Jingou attach on gaara or trees will be perfect.
As for those Sand drops I can't take that featless attack seriously as it does no damage to anything in Kakuzu's position.

It doesn't even seem like Kakuzu can use Domo and his tendrils in unison. As the tendrils will have no

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when his skin is pretty much being sealed shut while using Domo [

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] Whether he can or not, is irrelevant however. So let me just end this now. Domo alone does Kakuzu no good. It will only allow Kakuzu to withstand the binding force of Gaara's sand, but it won't save him from sinking 200 meters into the earth where he will be deprived of oxygen and unable

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. Jingou, in the other hand, leaves his upper torso and entire back completely open and exposed [

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] with nothing protecting his hearts but a bunch of threads. So if Kakuzu so foolishly decides to use Jingou while being buried, the sand will seep right threw his back as Narutos FRS did [

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] and crush his hearts. Either way he's dead.

You can't take Suna Arare seriously? Lmao, what a ridiculous statement to make.

 

[Zexion~]

Why is is this whole argument related on Him getting burried .. Gaara wont even have the little amount of time it takes to "create more sand" ..Not with 4 Opponents after him . and with the sand he starts out with .. If he went after one .. Another would breach his defense ..

Also Im failing to see why Kakuzu would even need Domu to survive under ground

 

[Sacrosanct]

I wouldn't put it past the Godaime Kazekage; I think he would win this.

 

[kakashi owns all]

uhhh prove it?

the manga already said it


until its proven wrong that must be taken as fact

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Wrong. One burst of Kakuzu's air blast isn't going to "simply overpower" a sand tsunami. While it will be able to match it's driving force, it'll only last momentarily. Gaara's sand tsunami must be matched with a continuous attack,

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, that isn't going to parish into nothing within seconds; because after the wind is gone, there will still be a wave sand coming at Kakuzu. So try again.

Again took my words out of context. Did I not say that "whatever range Kakuzu's Wind can reach" will overpower the spot of the tsunami. The rest of the wave will be a non factor on taking out Kakuzu from there. So what exactly do I need to "try again":

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Keep in mind about the location that Kakuzu's attack was bombarding (large trees in a instant destroyed):

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So again the "rest of the wave" is a non factor as for the direct wave towards him opens a path/ hit gaara in the mist.

It doesn't even seem like Kakuzu can use Domo and his tendrils in unison. As the tendrils will have no

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when his skin is pretty much being sealed shut while using Domo [

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] Whether he can or not, is irrelevant however. So let me just end this now. Domo alone does Kakuzu no good. It will only allow Kakuzu to withstand the binding force of Gaara's sand, but it won't save him from sinking 200 meters into the earth where he will be deprived of oxygen and unable

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. Jingou, in the other hand, leaves his upper torso and entire back completely open and exposed [

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] with nothing protecting his hearts but a bunch of threads. So if Kakuzu so foolishly decides to use Jingou while being buried, the sand will seep right threw his back as Narutos FRS did [

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] and crush his hearts. Either way he's dead.

Never made that claim. Putting words in my mouth. Re read my quote. In fact my only claim about Domu was what I just underline and bold from your sentence.

Your doing it again, claiming that Kakuzu already starts 200 meters down and ignoring my example of kimimaro (who never went 200 meters down. Gaara made that claim that he will do it, Kimi never let him finish going that deep without countering)

No way is it foolish to used Jingou in the situation as Kimi using seed fern in his. Both are excellent "uprooting from the ground" attack which was demonstrated in the manga. You also made a claim that Kakuzu's hearts are still stocked inside him. No my man they would be already out bombarding Gaara. I mention Jingou explaining what the black threads can do. Seconding, the sinking sand was no pressure attack until it reaches futher unto the ground (as you may say 200 meters). But again you are saying that because you are concluding that Kakuzu is "already" in that position.

You can't take Suna Arare seriously? Lmao, what a ridiculous statement to make.

How so, please explain? What feat does it have to make any benefits in this battle?

@Zexion I simply arguing in a "worst case scenario". "If Kakuzu ever encounter in that situation"

 

[DrProof]

Damn. Which side should I debate for. :|

 

[Curse Mark]

Damn. Which side should I debate for. :|

Both! You could say how either would win =D

 

[DrProof]

Both! You could say how either would win =D

True true.

 

[genii96]

First you underrate Kakuzu's Domu feats to claim that Choji is the only feat Kakuzu's Domu encountered. You ignored that a Buiju crushed him completely to the ground and also he tooked down a sealed(key word) Iron Wall with a single Domu Punch:

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Not even close:

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Part 1 Gaara broke his bones stop playing weak comparisons.



Gaara does it once then speculate that he has improve sinking his opponents. Not that it matter because he will never sink Kakuzu in that position.



Again underplaying Wind Release when the radius of the attack was shown to cover a whole large area. Then those who wasn't hit by the attack was still blow from the pressure of the attack. You want to make a circular argument that Gaara 's wave is still bigger but it was still be irrelevant as Kakuzu just made a safe spot from using Wind Release



Manga show that it is slow: It took two pages showing Kimi slowly getting buried. You also took my words out of context. I explained that Domu was only meant to counter being pressurized from sand burial. As for sinking, Kakuzu simply using Jingou to escape. By either attaching to Gaara or trees. Or just both at the same time.



1.) I will avoid the circular argument as which is bigger as they are irrelevant. The scale has nothing to do with the attack power that Wind Release has, as Wind Release will simply overpower whatever point it can reach. So regardless as size Kakuzu still counters from being consumed by sand.



Domu was used to argue from the binding of Sand. Gaara made a claim that he will sink Kimi 200 meters. That claim does not mean Kimi successfully sinked 200 meters to the ground, then he countered. Kimi countered as soon his whole body was buried (which explained why you hear his voice using seeding ferns tech). You already arguing that Kakuzu has already been sinked 200 meters while I am arguing in the mist of getting sinked. So yes Jingou attach on gaara or trees will be perfect.
As for those Sand drops I can't take that featless attack seriously as it does no damage to anything in Kakuzu's position.

1) you seem to confuse attack annd defence. Punching an iron gate is not a defencive feat,but an attacking one. Kimi's bones broke when he attacked,when gaara attacked kimi however,he cudnt hurt him,his bones tanked everything,his bones in based easily withstood chakra infused blades,without even going cs2 or cs1. Also doton domu has a weakness of lightening jutsus unlike kimi's cs2 body.

2)
i am pretty sure the depth and speed of of the quicksand jutsu wll be much higher for a 16 yrold gaara than 13yr old one. Oh and gaara doent just throw sand,he controls it,whether kakuzu can blow a hole in his sand tsunami dosent matter,gaara can easily control the wave to hit kakzuzu. However,kakuzu's wind mask actually managing to blow this

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is quite ridiculous.

why would Kakuzu need to use domu underground .. He has a threaded and soft body structure .. He escapes from the ground easily and like i said Gaara will be busy fighting the hearts even when Kakuzu is underground

if kakuzu has a soft body structure,then that means he gets crushed rather quickly down there,,domu is his only hope for survival.

The other masks arent a problem