Kakashi hasn't surpassed itachi, but he's around his level (war arc kakashi).

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  • Kakashi is a lot stronger

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  • Kakashi is stronger

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  • Zabuza is badass

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  • Itachi is a lot stronger

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  • Itachi is a little bit stronger

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  • Kakuzu is badass

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No Kakashi is still weaker than Itachi.

All Itachi needs is genjutsu anyway, seeing as how easily kakashi can be caught in sharingan genjutsu, as shown by Obito.

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kakshi hesitated in obito's case cause he was his long lost friend and they were inches away from each other
stop living in itachi-fantasy-land
 

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wow 2 OP characters with unmeasurable abilities. There's really no point comparing these two especially when Kishimoto barely explains their abilities making them totally ambiguous.
 

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I believe Kakashi has recently surpassed Itachi. It would be high difficulty of course, but IMO current Kakashi would take Itachi like 7 times out of 10.

All this time Kakashi's main problem was stamina. Now he has been shown to overcome it and can use Kamui 6 times with less than 25% of his chakra (before he used any Kamui, he used raiton bunshin twice, which means he halved his chakra twice, leaving him with 25%; considering the fact he's been casting many other jutsu apart from these two, he had less than 25% of his chakra BEFORE he even started kamuing).

Itachi has much worse stamina than current Kakashi, which would be the main factor behind Kakashi winning this fight.

This goes for non-edo Itachi, of course.
 
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no way Uchiha itachi is a lo lot stronger than kakashi even above hokage's level...:devil::devil:
 

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kakashi would take his tutoska(with kamui) then he would take the yata(with kamui) then he would take itachi's eyes(with kamui)
itachi:forgive me kakashi
kakashi:no you are dangerous criminal of A-rank who did alot of crimes against kids ,you used them and played with their minds(fanboys)i can't forgive you
then kakashi would take his body (with kamui )
that just fun but that is possible
current kakashi would beat itachi
but kakashi is in the same level with itachi, itachi is excused,that is kakashi he can beat anyone
 

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I believe Kakashi has recently surpassed Itachi. It would be high difficulty of course, but IMO current Kakashi would take Itachi like 7 times out of 10.

All this time Kakashi's main problem was stamina. Now he has been shown to overcome it and can use Kamui 6 times with less than 25% of his chakra (before he used any Kamui, he used raiton bunshin twice, which means he halved his chakra twice, leaving him with 25%; considering the fact he's been casting many other jutsu apart from these two, he had less than 25% of his chakra BEFORE he even started kamuing).

Itachi has much worse stamina than current Kakashi, which would be the main factor behind Kakashi winning this fight.

This goes for non-edo Itachi, of course.
i agree that kakashi improved much in kamui,and he can of course use it at least 12 times with full chakra
but it wasn't raiton kagi bushin which he used with the light chain ,i think it waws normal kage bunshin
kakashi improved much in using kamui but not 6 kamui with 25% of chakra

but yes current kakashi win
but i think there are no differance between edo itachi,itachi himself against kamui
kakashi only would warp all itachi's body to deal with edo 's body
 

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kakashi would take his tutoska(with kamui) then he would take the yata(with kamui) then he would take itachi's eyes(with kamui)
itachi:forgive me kakashi
kakashi:no you are dangerous criminal of a-rank who did alot of crimes against kids ,you used them and played with their minds(fanboys)i can't forgive you
then kakashi would take his body (with kamui )
that just fun but that is possible
current kakashi would beat itachi
but kakashi is in the same level with itachi, itachi is excused,that is kakashi he can beat anyone

rofl i laugh because of the dialogue but its true.
 

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Kakashi admits that he can't even defeat Itachi on his own.

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Furthermore, the Itachi that you see there was a clone that only had about 30% of Itachi's power and couldn't even use MS-techs. Still, Kakashi needed the help of others to win.


This is a stupid thread. Itachi easily outclasses Kakashi.
 

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Kakashi admits that he can't even defeat Itachi on his own.

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Furthermore, the Itachi that you see there was a clone that only had about 30% of Itachi's power and couldn't even use MS-techs. Still, Kakashi needed the help of others to win.


This is a stupid thread. Itachi easily outclasses Kakashi.

They want him alive dude a bit like when Sasuke and Itachi fought vs Kabuto.
 

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They want him alive dude a bit like when Sasuke and Itachi fought vs Kabuto.
And the purpose of Itachi's clone was just to stall the group (which it did).
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I'm surprised a thread like this even exists. Kakashi, who is a great strategiest and had on knowledge of some of Itachi's abilities, still said "I can't handle him by myself". That right there should tell you that Itachi >> Kakashi.

And the clone itself is no representation of Itachi's actual power:
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The clone is proportionally weaker than Itachi, meaning the real Itachi is more than 3x stronger than that clone.
 

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Funny how stupid fanboys try to compare Itachi to antiquity Kakashi to try to talk about his supposed superiority when in fact they know deep in their mind that current Kakashi is far above the one Itachi ever saw in the past. Maybe it's because they know that current Kakashi could rape him whenever he wants
 

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Funny how stupid fanboys try to compare Itachi to antiquity Kakashi to try to talk about his supposed superiority when in fact they know deep in their mind that current Kakashi is far above the one Itachi ever saw in the past. Maybe it's because they know that current Kakashi could rape him whenever he wants

Kakashi is in top 15 around 11-15 and Itachi is somewhere in the top ten around 4-8. The only thing Kakashi fans have stated so far is Kamui, and Itachi saying that he failed. first of all, Kakashi has only been shown using Kamui accurately a couple of times with out Narutos Chakara. Second, saying that you fail and what other see in you is different, Itachi only failed at keeping Sasuke from trying to take revenge. The only one he killed to do so, as far as the manga has come, is Danzo. In the end Itachi still accomplished his plan thanks to edo tensei. Sasuke could still turn on the allies but as of now he is keeping out of Konoha in respects for his older Brothers wishes.
 

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Kakashi showed 5 kamui feats BEFORE getting chakra from kurama.

I made the thread and read the title, i'm not saying that kakashi > itachi, i'm saying that kakashi with his kamui feats is getting closer to itachi's power.

Also, don't use arguments based on part 1 or based on the beggining of shippuden, because you know very well that : Current Kakashi >>>> The Kakashi you mentioned before.
 

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Kakashi is in top 15 around 11-15 and Itachi is somewhere in the top ten around 4-8. The only thing Kakashi fans have stated so far is Kamui, and Itachi saying that he failed. first of all, Kakashi has only been shown using Kamui accurately a couple of times with out Narutos Chakara. Second, saying that you fail and what other see in you is different, Itachi only failed at keeping Sasuke from trying to take revenge. The only one he killed to do so, as far as the manga has come, is Danzo. In the end Itachi still accomplished his plan thanks to edo tensei. Sasuke could still turn on the allies but as of now he is keeping out of Konoha in respects for his older Brothers wishes.

Before getting any chakra from Kurama Kakashi:
-used three raikiri on Haku, Zabuza and another swordsman
-fought off-screen for a long time (even went on a rampage), more likely than not using other jutsu as well
-halved his remaining chakra by creating a raiton bunshin
-used even more raikiri
-halved his remaining chakra again by creating a bunshin again (so he had less than 25% already)
-used another raikiri
-cast 6 kamui
-cast a doton wall
-use yet another raikiri

And then his chakra was restored for the first time during the war by Kurama.

Kakashi admits that he can't even defeat Itachi on his own.

Furthermore, the Itachi that you see there was a clone that only had about 30% of Itachi's power and couldn't even use MS-techs. Still, Kakashi needed the help of others to win.

This is a stupid thread. Itachi easily outclasses Kakashi.

1. Yup, Kakashi as he was more than half a manga ago admitted he wouldn't be able to defeat Itachi alone, BUT that he would be able to defeat him with Naruto from the beginning of the Shippuuden, who was at the time around low-jonin level.

2. Kakashi didn't know it was a clone, that's why he said he wouldn't be able to win alone. If he knew this Itachi was just a version with 30% of his chakra and not capable of using MS he would laugh in his face and then proceed to pulverize him.

The fact remains that:
-Sakura didn't do anything to Itachi and didn't even try - she just helped Naruto recover from genjutsu
-Chiyo - like Sakura
-Naruto - he was caught in a genjutsu on the beginning of the fight and the only thing he did was using Rasengan on trapped Itachi

-Kakashi - he did the whole fighting - you could see, after Naruto recovered from genjutsu, that Kakashi was jumping away from Itachi, who was shown in a fighting stance. They have obviously been battling while Naruto was screaming and using Rasengan in the air.
After that it was still Kakashi VS Itachi fight - Itachi tried to attack Kakashi with a katon, but Kakashi used it to his advantage and outsmarted Itachi with a clone. Itachi himself admitted Kakashi's timing was too perfect for him to notice anything.

At this point, when Itachi was immobilized by Kakashi's clone, Kakashi could have just used raikiri to finish him off instead of sending Naruto. He did it only to conserve his own chakra, since this was the beginning of a long mission.

All in all, it was pretty much base Kakashi vs base Itachi, and base Kakashi has won.

And now just remember it was Kakashi from the beginning of Shippuuden. The one whose 3 kamui in a row resulted in him being hospitalized for a week.
Current Kakashi can use 6 kamui with less than 25% of chakra. If you want me to say it more clearly:
Current Kakashi on full chakra can use more or less 24 kamui + a bunch of other jutsu.
There you go.
 
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kakashi vs tutoska
kakashi can take distance between him and susano so tutska would be useless
where in the manga that prove that tutoska can extent to any range, and where it was said it can't be dodged
kakashi even can warp tutoska blade even while itachi attack him with it as he did with sasuke 's susano's arrow
and then there wouldn't be a tutska blade


kakashi vs susano,yata mirror
kakashi can easily warp itachi and his susano ,you can't argue with that ,kakashi can warp something as susano's size
old kakashi warped didra's clone explosion whihc was nearly as size as susano ,that is old kakashi imagine current kakashi who improved much in kamui
kakashi even can warp apart of susano then warp itachi through this hole which he did in susano
??? I didn't even mention the totsuka blade.I said nothing about it at all, and no it cant extend to any range.

I don't think it would even be that much of a problem as Kakashi would just have to keep his distance. He would need to be doing this anyway if Susanoo is activated. In that scenario his best course of action would probably be keep his distance and avoid attacks. Itachi's chakra will be being drained drastically while susanoo is active as well as a lot of eye strain.

It's possible Kakashi can warp Susanoo but it would probably take up most of his chakra...

The yata mirror would make his large jutsu arsenal kinda useless...however Itachi can only use it with susanoo active, and it would be difficult for him to use susanoo throughout an entire fight.


Regardless, susanoo isn't all Itachi has in his arsenal. Kakashi would have a hard time with him. I don't think he'd win personally but he has a fighting chance and I suppose it could be argued either way. I pick Itachi only because he has a few very strong MS techs. These techniques are more powerful than most of kakashi's. The best thing Kakashi has is Kamui which is very useful, but it isn't an instant win for him in any fight.
speed : Kakashi has better speed , he was as fast as Gai using 6th gate and fought on per vs jins v2.
genjutsu : Itachi no contest , he showed better genjutsu even if Kakashi can perform good genjutsu too
Strengh : Kakashi has gate it's overkill
Taijutsu : Kakashi again because gate + he raped gates Gai in chuunin exam even without sharingan and chidori.
Ninjutsu : Kakashi no need explain more jutsu, more deadly jutsu and all his elements has advantage over itachi's katon and suiton.
inteligence : Kakashi is smarter, can't count how many times it's said in manga.
Stanima : Kakashi no contest here.

Finally Kakashi win easily.
Kishi gave him too much boost i think it's time for him to have a great death vs Obito otherwize he'll solo Edo Madara.

You're overrating Kakashi far too much. For one, how many times have we actually seen Kakashi use the gates? I believe the answer is zero. He is unlikely to use them in a fight against anyone as it would wear him out and he has other options he can use his energy on.

Kakashi has more jutsu than Itachi probably but Itachi can deal with pretty much any ninjutsu you throw at him. The only problem for Itachi would be Kamui. Itachi has amaterasu, tsukiyomi, susanoo with yata mirror and totsuka blade...all ridiculously powerful ninjutsu. Itachi has the edge here. The number of jutsu known becomes irrelevant at a certain point.

Show me where in the manga it explicitly states that Kakashi is smarter than Itachi. You can't because it never says that. It praises both of them as geniuses. I'd say they are equally smart.

If Kakashi actually has better stamina than Itachi it isn't by much. From manga evidence I'd say that Itachi actually has more stamina. He used every MS tech he had against Sasuke while he was sick and on the verge of death...Kakashi doesn't really have any amazing stamina feats that would but him above that.(He's been given chakra by Naruto during the current fight, though he has showed some improvement) Again they are probably around equal.

I think Kakashi probably has a slight edge in taijutsu.

You're nuts if you think Kakashi can solo edo Madara. He'd get stomped by EMS Madara.
 
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Short thread, please read it all if you're gonna post later.

I consider itachi in top 10 (9 spot) and kakashi in top 15 (14 spot). Both Itachi and Kakashi are very strong without MS, but if we just consider 3 tomoe, Itachi > Kakashi. When we talk about MS Kakashi and MS Itachi, Kakashi is not far from itachi's power (itachi is stronger, but not far beyond).

Why? I think you know the answer:

---- Kakashi's KAMUI skills has increased to the point that:

* He warped BM Naruto so fast that Obito with RINNENGAN and SHARINGAN didn't see the warping.

* He warped the hachibi with a kiuuby boost, this boost was said to be around 3 times stronger than his normal chakra levels, and he warped the hachibi 2 times (in and out), so we can assume that Kakashi can warp 2/3 of the hachibi using all his chakra.

* He learned the ability of warping himself, this allows him to dodge any atack. (he did it twice, one of them was before kurama's boost, so you can't say he can only do that with the boost)

Plus you have to remember all of others kakashi's abilities as Speed, Quickness, Intelligence, Large arsenal and etc...

Please read before posting and sorry if there's any mistake, english is not my first language.

In my honest opinion kakashi>itachi (3 tome) since kakashi has a bigger jutsu pool outside of his ms, better feats with shadow clone feints and higher stamina. I can argue that but it would be off topic. MS is the only reason itachi is above kakashi.
 
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