Itachi vs Pain

[kadowade]

Ok trust me i have analyzed the whole fight, this is how it wud go.

They meet up and fight and Itachi does genjutsu, 1 pain gets caught but then Nagato distruptes the chakra and it releases, even if it didnt then thats just 1 path u know, and the others can free him trust me they can, when J-man was there the other paths werent around to free him but in here they do, and then the deva path starts to fly and says "you will now know pain" so Itachi uses amatarasu on him but deva uses shinra tensei and the absorbing path is right in front of Pain as he keeps going up, so Itachi tries amatarasu again and the path absorbes it, so Itachi is tired now but then gets the path in front with tsukyomi and since they say only an Uchiha can escape that then the absorbing path died, but by this time Pain is way out of reach and Itachi is tired, Pain uses the ultimate shinra tensei that he uses to destroy the leaf, and just when he thinks Itachi is dead he finds out Itachi has activated his trump card Sasoonoo to defend even that attack! Pain is out of reach to get hit by the sword obviously and animal path summons animals but Itachi seals them and Pain uses planet dev and Itachi is out of chakra so in the end Pain still wins and if he somehow destroys planetary dev with his most powerful long range jutsu, Pain then uses divine attraction and stabs him, and by now the 1 or at max 2 paths he kill are revived, Itachi is on the floor and he has reached his limit! All 6 paths come in attendance and stab Itachi like on J-man and Pain says " know pain" and then game over, tell me how it cud of gone differently plz. At the end Pain will win becuz of his paths and their powers. Now i am not saying Itachi cant win but 7/10 times or at least 6/10 times Pain wud win.

lol itachi isnt just gonna keep spamming AMateraus though, he would defiantly conserve his chakra at least try.....lol oh and Itachi can fly lol "Crows"

But Itachi does have one technique which would cost him his eyes. "Izanagi

" It's said Izanagi can only be used by those with the genetic traits of the Sage of the Six Paths. The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan. In exchange for the brief control of reality that it allows them, the Sharingan with which Izanagi is cast becomes blind. So thats every uchiha's trump card, which madara even used his sharingan to use Izanagi, when he fought Konan. Although itachi's is only a down-graded version, naruto wiki said. This technique is capable of turning injuries and even death inflicted upon the user into mere illusions. Danzou even used it, However, because Danzō is not an Uchiha, his chakra levels drop substantially every time a new Sharingan is used to activate the technique. Madara said something alse about it in the manga

 

[arv993]

Ok trust me i have analyzed the whole fight, this is how it wud go.

They meet up and fight and Itachi does genjutsu, 1 pain gets caught but then Nagato distruptes the chakra and it releases, even if it didnt then thats just 1 path u know, and the others can free him trust me they can, when J-man was there the other paths werent around to free him but in here they do, and then the deva path starts to fly and says "you will now know pain" so Itachi uses amatarasu on him but deva uses shinra tensei and the absorbing path is right in front of Pain as he keeps going up, so Itachi tries amatarasu again and the path absorbes it, so Itachi is tired now but then gets the path in front with tsukyomi and since they say only an Uchiha can escape that then the absorbing path died, but by this time Pain is way out of reach and Itachi is tired, Pain uses the ultimate shinra tensei that he uses to destroy the leaf, and just when he thinks Itachi is dead he finds out Itachi has activated his trump card Sasoonoo to defend even that attack! Pain is out of reach to get hit by the sword obviously and animal path summons animals but Itachi seals them and Pain uses planet dev and Itachi is out of chakra so in the end Pain still wins and if he somehow destroys planetary dev with his most powerful long range jutsu, Pain then uses divine attraction and stabs him, and by now the 1 or at max 2 paths he kill are revived, Itachi is on the floor and he has reached his limit! All 6 paths come in attendance and stab Itachi like on J-man and Pain says " know pain" and then game over, tell me how it cud of gone differently plz. At the end Pain will win becuz of his paths and their powers. Now i am not saying Itachi cant win but 7/10 times or at least 6/10 times Pain wud win.

well i have arguements with them all madara got killed by konan but used izangi to make it all a dream and now he has nagatos rinnegan hes the strongest?i dont buy it.madara said nagato was invincible.It was said that naruto has surpassed his father and we know that realistically naruto wouldnt win a fight but i agree about naruto will be stronger in the end and seeing as sasuke will always be on par with him he probably will be too.

the fight can't be decided so easily minatoflash cos tsukiyomi is a hit or miss but from what we have seen from jiraya vs pain i think it can work if he can immobilize tendo, he can get others with amaterasu on the other paths and use taijutsu on preta. Why don't we wait a little more and see what else itachi can do and how he fights some more he might have something else he is going now and fighting kabuto. lets just wait for now i think itachi, u think pain its ok. We would get nowhere with this debate lets just wait for now.

Izanami konan prepared a lot for that fight she made 600 billion paper bombs to kill him and he was arrogant too. But this is different against nagato, he would win cos he can become intangible to any attack nagato throws at him, he can teleport away from chibaku tensei and he can go through solid objects easily and absorb others very fast and now he has the rinnegan dude. he is the main villan for a reason. minato can win becos he just has to touch once he can teleport to nagato and kill him with a kunai and if nagato catches him he can throw a kunai somewhere else and teleport there, minato is really haxxed and mad good with his ftg i think he can win.

 

[Izanami]

the fight can't be decided so easily minatoflash cos tsukiyomi is a hit or miss but from what we have seen from jiraya vs pain i think it can work if he can immobilize tendo, he can get others with amaterasu on the other paths and use taijutsu on preta. Why don't we wait a little more and see what else itachi can do and how he fights some more he might have something else he is going now and fighting kabuto. lets just wait for now i think itachi, u think pain its ok. We would get nowhere with this debate lets just wait for now.

Izanami konan prepared a lot for that fight she made 600 billion paper bombs to kill him and he was arrogant too. But this is different against nagato, he would win cos he can become intangible to any attack nagato throws at him, he can teleport away from chibaku tensei and he can go through solid objects easily and absorb others very fast and now he has the rinnegan dude. he is the main villan for a reason. minato can win becos he just has to touch once he can teleport to nagato and kill him with a kunai and if nagato catches him he can throw a kunai somewhere else and teleport there, minato is really haxxed and mad good with his ftg i think he can win.

you see becoming intangible is a good and a bad thing becuase obviously you cant be touched but when he comes solid hes vunerable and i really doubt he can mantain the space time for as long as nagato can fight also his body is very weak one shinra tensei and odds on it would hurt him badly its all well and good being impossible to hit but what can he and minato for that instance really do we havent see enough of madara and i know for certain that if he tryed to absorb into his demension Nagato he would swiflty get take out his soul or shinra tensei him and minato has FTG and rasengan he absorbs all ninjutsu and his shinra tensei would deal with kunai so i cant see anyone beating nagato that has been featured maybe if we see more of some top tier ninja or when naruto becomes his strongest

 

[arv993]

you see becoming intangible is a good and a bad thing becuase obviously you cant be touched but when he comes solid hes vunerable and i really doubt he can mantain the space time for as long as nagato can fight also his body is very weak one shinra tensei and odds on it would hurt him badly its all well and good being impossible to hit but what can he and minato for that instance really do we havent see enough of madara and i know for certain that if he tryed to absorb into his demension Nagato he would swiflty get take out his soul or shinra tensei him and minato has FTG and rasengan he absorbs all ninjutsu and his shinra tensei would deal with kunai so i cant see anyone beating nagato that has been featured maybe if we see more of some top tier ninja or when naruto becomes his strongest

he can stay intangible for 5 minutes at one go and he can turn inatngible and solid when he wants its his choice, after nagato uses his attack like shinra ttensei he can just absorb nagato into another dimension, nagato's chances are not that high. he can be intangible to any attack and then during the time limit he can easily absorb nagato and don't forget that he has rinnegan now too. rasengan can be absorbed but a kunai. shinra tensei would just push the kunai away he can just teleport there and there is a 5 sec cooldown and in that time he can easily throw a kunai near nagato or go near him and kill him with the most basic tool in the whole ninja world a kunai to the head.

 

[Izanami]

he can stay intangible for 5 minutes at one go and he can turn inatngible and solid when he wants its his choice, after nagato uses his attack like shinra ttensei he can just absorb nagato into another dimension, nagato's chances are not that high. he can be intangible to any attack and then during the time limit he can easily absorb nagato and don't forget that he has rinnegan now too. rasengan can be absorbed but a kunai. shinra tensei would just push the kunai away he can just teleport there and there is a 5 sec cooldown and in that time he can easily throw a kunai near nagato or go near him and kill him with the most basic tool in the whole ninja world a kunai to the head.

I just said that if he tried to absorb him he could just rip his soul out with the human path because he has to go solid to absorb someone or a simple shinra tensei would dispel him his space time can teleport anywhere he can see on the ground or think i believe if were talking about the paths then whenever he goes solid he could just pull or push him im really not convinced about madara and minato doesnt seem to have anything that couldnt be countered i just dont see them winning but i can see a naruto with unlimted sage mode with more training and complete control over the 9 tails beating him

 

[arv993]

I just said that if he tried to absorb him he could just rip his soul out with the human path because he has to go solid to absorb someone or a simple shinra tensei would dispel him his space time can teleport anywhere he can see on the ground or think i believe if were talking about the paths then whenever he goes solid he could just pull or push him im really not convinced about madara and minato doesnt seem to have anything that couldnt be countered i just dont see them winning but i can see a naruto with unlimted sage mode with more training and complete control over the 9 tails beating him

no man let me tell u something madara is very fast at absorbing he can go behind nagato very easily he can through the ground and easily absorb him.

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see how fast he got him he can move anywhere come from behind and get him easy. shinra has a time limit remember he can easily attack when there is a cool down. He can also catch ppl's hands like this

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if he does that to nagato he can also easily absorb him once again. dude that guy has a very haxxed jutsu only really fast ppl like minato and naruto can go up against that and hurt him effectively. he can come from any direction and absorb him its really easy for him and now he has rinnegan.

 

[PTR]

I think pain wins.He can use all 5 elements plus all the other powers of the rinnegan.But i dont think that it would be a easy battle against Itachi.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

I think pain wins.He can use all 5 elements plus all the other powers of the rinnegan.But i dont think that it would be a easy battle against Itachi.

Agreed

 

[raxy]

I think pain

 

[asad70ful]

Itachi is stronger than Pain, that he is. If he's stronger then Nagato... THat's unsure.

yes????

 

[asad70ful]

itachi can win if he is in good condition.when itachi died he was in bad condition to fight.sasuke was lucky when he kill him.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

the fight can't be decided so easily minatoflash cos tsukiyomi is a hit or miss but from what we have seen from jiraya vs pain i think it can work if he can immobilize tendo, he can get others with amaterasu on the other paths and use taijutsu on preta. Why don't we wait a little more and see what else itachi can do and how he fights some more he might have something else he is going now and fighting kabuto. lets just wait for now i think itachi, u think pain its ok. We would get nowhere with this debate lets just wait for now.

Izanami konan prepared a lot for that fight she made 600 billion paper bombs to kill him and he was arrogant too. But this is different against nagato, he would win cos he can become intangible to any attack nagato throws at him, he can teleport away from chibaku tensei and he can go through solid objects easily and absorb others very fast and now he has the rinnegan dude. he is the main villan for a reason. minato can win becos he just has to touch once he can teleport to nagato and kill him with a kunai and if nagato catches him he can throw a kunai somewhere else and teleport there, minato is really haxxed and mad good with his ftg i think he can win.

Well yea i will wait till i see more from Itachi but as for now i think that Pain wud win, and as for Minato idk it wud be a hard fight but since Minato is a genius i think he cud win.

 

[Gildarts Clive]

lol, itachi won by a few votes.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

lol, itachi won by a few votes.

He hasnt won yet oh and btw this thread has come a loooooong way since u were on it. Its up to 70+ and now i think that Pain wud win.

 

[unnamed500]

Can Pain absorb susano cause it is ninjutsu? If he can i would say Pain.

 

[Ame no kage]

He hasnt won yet oh and btw this thread has come a loooooong way since u were on it. Its up to 70+ and now i think that Pain wud win.

this thread has come a long way lol im sue i went to sleep and it was on 30 or 40 lolxd

 

[mookyuzamaki]

okay why all of a sudden is everyone saying itachi had a bad body condition no his body was fine all it was was his sickness his sickness messed up his sight and thats it oh and coughing up blood itachit wasnt handicaped like nagato at all but most ppl start coughing blood and all that when when they use outrageous jutsu like pain did when he used planet dev.

and i dont get why itachi fan boys keep saying the same things over and over


pain can absorb all

ninjutsu

so susono and ametrasu are done

his genjutsu even KA only works on one person at a time!

even if itachi manages to kill
the absorbing pain
and some sommuns

he still has to deal with god realm

and this is just for pain with six paths

if this is nagato complete its over this is when nagato is way faster and stronger and even km naruto says he is faster.....ill post my facts post in a min once i find it again... and if yo keep saying itachi wins with no facts your a fan boy
and earlier some dude challened a pain fan and they played a game where he was itachi and the pain guy was pain and he won cuz no matter what he did he couldnt escape planet dev!

but this is just the basics of what nagato can do you itachi fans are saying oh wait till it shows more stuff for itachi well yeah he needs it cuz going up against pain at the level of skill and jutsus he has now he cant win by him self period

 

[mookyuzamaki]

im not gonna waste my time explaining this again i made another thread just so ppl can get all the facts but again ill post it again so ppl can understand just way itachi cant win.....

ppl on nb are biased as hell and its like that in every thread its always turns in to a popularity contest no matter what.even though the character pain nagato or who ever it is the obvious winner and the popular one wins no matter what. pains eyes are the ultimate dojutsu i doubt itachis tsukuyomi would effect him cuz if snake sasuke

beat it anyone can
too


this is not me talking this is some itachi fanboy

(this guy named Shamami posted this:




Just to make things clear:

1- The rinnengan is said to be the most powerful occular power more than a sharingan in terms of having a better insight and the user is gifted with learning all kinds of ninjutsu that was stated, however its not better than a MS or ofcourse EMS cuz that wasnt stated. otherwise why would madara hv switched one eye with a rinnengan and not both.

what i have to say about this:this makes no sense if it be longed to the so6p then its beast if ems or ms was stronger then the so6p would have ems or ms

so thats just dumb and he even said rinningan can learn all kinds of crazy jutsu he says this above and this is a guy going for itachi

2- Pain is definetly not immune to genjutsu since fukasaku(the frog) was able to get him into his sound genjutsu. Sound or not a genjutsu is a genjutsu. So definately a genjutsu like tsukyomi which is third strongest genjutsu after infinite tsukyomi and shisuis eye( forgot the name) can defintely can more than easily get either nagato or the six paths of pain. Even fukasaku said that pains weakness is genjutsu

what i have to say about this:i dont remeber him saying that at all i think he meant genjutsu's by ear other than that if you think pain can be caught in a tskuyomi which snake sasuke broke then your saying the so6p can get caught as well

and saying tskuyomi is the third strongest genjutsu is dumb since snake sasuke broke it

3- Susanoo cant be crushed by chibaku tensei as itachi was only in susanoo second state when he threw the tomoe thing (forgot the name) so his susanoo third state can easily hit the core( as the tomoe would be more powerful+ totsuka blade) of chibaku and end the technique, but then again no one knws what cud hv happened.

what i have to say about thiseah you dont know and whats this about susono states whatever state its in complete or not its not as strong or stronger then the nine tails which was caught in the planetary devastation)

but back to the point


this is snake sasuke fighting itachi and itachi is about to use or i think is already is using tsukuyomi

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and snake sasuke breaking tsukuyomi

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most idiots like fan boy itachi fans and zetsu well i think the white one

thinks if itachi uses tsukuyomi and your done

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i repeat this is snake sasuke


not even ms just has a regular 3 moe shariggan

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and a quote from zetsu that i love

that proves itachis genjutsu isn't really that tough

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so knowing that snake sasuske broke free of it and he had three moe sharingan then a beast a$$ nagato rinnegan can break it note these are the eyes of the sage and i think nagato is older then itachi since he was j-mans apprentice and i dont think itachi was even in the anbu yet (if im wrong doesnt matter they have to be in the same age group or nagato is older and has more exp. so in comparing smarts and overall battle smarts there isn't a vast difference) but besides that it took three of the toughest ninja up to date at present time to beat complete nagato
1 rasenshrukrn
(is one of the best jutsus in naruto)
1 tailed beast bomb
(is what the fourth tried to replicate but only grasp somewhat of what the jutsu really was and made rassengan)
and 1 projectile from susono
(susono is just a beast and is a end all or be all for some characters just cuz the sealing jutsu part)

so knowing this

that it took all three and in that three there all around the same level

killer bee is tough
(imo naruto cant beat be right now)
naruto is tough

(naruto is fast enough to beat itachi right off the bat and genjutsu can be broke when a teammate wakes you up or releases it hopefully the nine tails can do that to tsukuyomi but we will never know unless sasuke uses tskuyomi on naruto and naruto and the fox break it but till this day we know in naruto that a sharingan and a ninja who uses sharingan can break out of tskuyomi and snake sasuke broke it when he was a snake and had no teamate to break it and the only person we seen get caught and itachi raping them inside it was kakshi and that was when they were kids so imo a tailed beast can help break it)



and itachi will get beat by both lol but it doesn't matter there all beast


and you already know what my point is if your not dbz strong rite now where the anime is at rite now your nothing this is where naruto is being compared to his dad who was mad fast so bull ish jutsu like susono are not gonna work if someone has mad chakra then they can run away jump doge way faster and do super human feats and when your doing things like this



(spoilers)

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taking all chakra based attacks!

in one body

just one!

and he is fast


nagato was not in control of his own paths, now if you face itachi against the 6 paths of pain, you will get a more organized 6 paths, for example there formation when vs naruto. sharingan eye sight it far greater then any ones eyes i will admit, but vs 6 pair of eyes watching every move you do, and im sure they can close ther eyes to combat itachi's genjutsu while the others see for them, for example, animal path whith its eyes disabled was still able to fight. remember they can revive each other, summon each other.

and its the same at this point if nagato was controlling the summons and all that it would be a diff story
and he can suck out your soul like tsaang sung off mortal combat


also he is holding naruto rite there and naruto has some what controlled the nine tails fox's chakra so naruto is mad strong and naruto is getting man handled by nagato

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and also this
nagato

stops killer bee's attack with this mecha arm thing
wow!

killer bee who is probably kinda close to A the raikage's speed

if not faster imo
since his lariat beat A's

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then he pulls out a mecha cannon that does a blast similar to jugos beam



attack

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jugos beam attack

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also note what naruto says his

speed and strength are on a way higher level and this is naruto chakra mode when he is the orange flash!


and also i agree with itachi rite here

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every jutsu has a flaw its true


BUT


when your alone going against this jutsu


and if your not as strong as the nine tails or half of the nine tails chakra
(naruto six tails vs pain six paths!)

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and look at this??

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there is no way in hell itachi is gonna run away with susono and get out of this no way in hell.....

and not even itachi just running without susono can doge this cuz he isnt stronger then gravity
or faster
he cant beat the gravitational lift and pull

so he cant out run it lol

cuz the six tails couldn't...and itachi isn't stronger or nearly as fast as the six tails

but look at nagato he has a bloody nose and i think coughs up some blood most ppl would think after you created a moon you would be tired and done

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and

naruto wasn't done obviously

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but neither was nagato

he spares naruto!
and says this


note:nagato never intended to kill naruto only to capture and
and take the fox out

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and had enough chakra to pull this off

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to bring back to life all the ppl in the leaf village


and lets not get technical cuz if he can bring back souls what makes you think he cant bring them back and use them like edo tensei but better but we will never know that...

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back to the main point!!!!


itachis susono will get merked!


this one move

(itachis projectile with susuono)

the yasakas
magatama

cant destroy planetary devastation by itself!!

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it cant it took three of the strongest techs to destroy it

well at least 2 of them were but if you want to get technical sasuke susono arrow is on the same level as yasakas magatama or if not weaker either or it does work

and that alone is not strong enough to break the black ball of planetary devastation

and genjutsu doesnt work i think the only way j-man had a chance was sage mode and the ear genjutsu with the frog song i think dojutsu dont work on rinnegan cuz why would it it belong to the sage of the fin six paths so tsukuyoni which was broke by snake sasuke does not have a chance against rinnigan eyes and thats just the eyes nagato was a uzamaki two so he most likely had mad chakra and we can verify it cuz of all the feats he pulled off all that takes made chakra and you know it dont lie and say all that took lil to no chakra he was probably on tailed beast levels if not more since he battle the fox so knowing this that nagato has mad chakra and beast a$$ eyes

itachi f#$##$#

loses
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i made a valid argument i stated all the facts straight out of the manga

had some good ideas none that which even no one with biased opinion who is on itachi side could even argue no one its all facts so if the fan boys come running back to attack this post i hope you know what your in for cuz if you read the whole thing it will blow your mind i have been wanting to do this for a while but i never knew how to put links on here that go straight to the manga but now i do


no sane man would not argue these statements there not bs i not making anything up as i go along all this is straight out of the manga


so please some one prove me wrong sorry to be an

A$$
but i hate itachi fan boys..

and minato fan boys


cuz imo if you aint dbz strong or fast you get raped

simple as that...

 

[Shamami]

im not gonna waste my time explaining this again i made another thread just so ppl can get all the facts but again ill post it again so ppl can understand just way itachi cant win.....

ppl on nb are biased as hell and its like that in every thread its always turns in to a popularity contest no matter what.even though the character pain nagato or who ever it is the obvious winner and the popular one wins no matter what. pains eyes are the ultimate dojutsu i doubt itachis tsukuyomi would effect him cuz if snake sasuke

beat it anyone can
too


this is not me talking this is some itachi fanboy

(this guy named Shamami posted this:




Just to make things clear:

1- The rinnengan is said to be the most powerful occular power more than a sharingan in terms of having a better insight and the user is gifted with learning all kinds of ninjutsu that was stated, however its not better than a MS or ofcourse EMS cuz that wasnt stated. otherwise why would madara hv switched one eye with a rinnengan and not both.

what i have to say about this:this makes no sense if it be longed to the so6p then its beast if ems or ms was stronger then the so6p would have ems or ms

so thats just dumb and he even said rinningan can learn all kinds of crazy jutsu he says this above and this is a guy going for itachi

2- Pain is definetly not immune to genjutsu since fukasaku(the frog) was able to get him into his sound genjutsu. Sound or not a genjutsu is a genjutsu. So definately a genjutsu like tsukyomi which is third strongest genjutsu after infinite tsukyomi and shisuis eye( forgot the name) can defintely can more than easily get either nagato or the six paths of pain. Even fukasaku said that pains weakness is genjutsu

what i have to say about this:i dont remeber him saying that at all i think he meant genjutsu's by ear other than that if you think pain can be caught in a tskuyomi which snake sasuke broke then your saying the so6p can get caught as well

and saying tskuyomi is the third strongest genjutsu is dumb since snake sasuke broke it

3- Susanoo cant be crushed by chibaku tensei as itachi was only in susanoo second state when he threw the tomoe thing (forgot the name) so his susanoo third state can easily hit the core( as the tomoe would be more powerful+ totsuka blade) of chibaku and end the technique, but then again no one knws what cud hv happened.

what i have to say about this:yeah you dont know and whats this about susono states whatever state its in complete or not its not as strong or stronger then the nine tails which was caught in the planetary devastation)

but back to the point


this is snake sasuke fighting itachi and itachi is about to use or i think is already is using tsukuyomi

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and snake sasuke breaking tsukuyomi

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most idiots like fan boy itachi fans and zetsu well i think the white one

thinks if itachi uses tsukuyomi and your done

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i repeat this is snake sasuke


not even ms just has a regular 3 moe shariggan

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and a quote from zetsu that i love

that proves itachis genjutsu isn't really that tough

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so knowing that snake sasuske broke free of it and he had three moe sharingan then a beast a$$ nagato rinnegan can break it note these are the eyes of the sage and i think nagato is older then itachi since he was j-mans apprentice and i dont think itachi was even in the anbu yet (if im wrong doesnt matter they have to be in the same age group or nagato is older and has more exp. so in comparing smarts and overall battle smarts there isn't a vast difference) but besides that it took three of the toughest ninja up to date at present time to beat complete nagato
1 rasenshrukrn
(is one of the best jutsus in naruto)
1 tailed beast bomb
(is what the fourth tried to replicate but only grasp somewhat of what the jutsu really was and made rassengan)
and 1 projectile from susono
(susono is just a beast and is a end all or be all for some characters just cuz the sealing jutsu part)

so knowing this

that it took all three and in that three there all around the same level

killer bee is tough
(imo naruto cant beat be right now)
naruto is tough

(naruto is fast enough to beat itachi right off the bat and genjutsu can be broke when a teammate wakes you up or releases it hopefully the nine tails can do that to tsukuyomi but we will never know unless sasuke uses tskuyomi on naruto and naruto and the fox break it but till this day we know in naruto that a sharingan and a ninja who uses sharingan can break out of tskuyomi and snake sasuke broke it when he was a snake and had no teamate to break it and the only person we seen get caught and itachi raping them inside it was kakshi and that was when they were kids so imo a tailed beast can help break it)



and itachi will get beat by both lol but it doesn't matter there all beast


and you already know what my point is if your not dbz strong rite now where the anime is at rite now your nothing this is where naruto is being compared to his dad who was mad fast so bull ish jutsu like susono are not gonna work if someone has mad chakra then they can run away jump doge way faster and do super human feats and when your doing things like this



(spoilers)

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taking all chakra based attacks!

in one body

just one!

and he is fast


nagato was not in control of his own paths, now if you face itachi against the 6 paths of pain, you will get a more organized 6 paths, for example there formation when vs naruto. sharingan eye sight it far greater then any ones eyes i will admit, but vs 6 pair of eyes watching every move you do, and im sure they can close ther eyes to combat itachi's genjutsu while the others see for them, for example, animal path whith its eyes disabled was still able to fight. remember they can revive each other, summon each other.

and its the same at this point if nagato was controlling the summons and all that it would be a diff story
and he can suck out your soul like tsaang sung off mortal combat


also he is holding naruto rite there and naruto has some what controlled the nine tails fox's chakra so naruto is mad strong and naruto is getting man handled by nagato

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and also this
nagato

stops killer bee's attack with this mecha arm thing
wow!

killer bee who is probably kinda close to A the raikage's speed

if not faster imo
since his lariat beat A's

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then he pulls out a mecha cannon that does a blast similar to jugos beam



attack

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jugos beam attack

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also note what naruto says his

speed and strength are on a way higher level and this is naruto chakra mode when he is the orange flash!


and also i agree with itachi rite here

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every jutsu has a flaw its true


BUT


when your alone going against this jutsu


and if your not as strong as the nine tails or half of the nine tails chakra
(naruto six tails vs pain six paths!)

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and look at this??

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there is no way in hell itachi is gonna run away with susono and get out of this no way in hell.....

and not even itachi just running without susono can doge this cuz he isnt stronger then gravity
or faster
he cant beat the gravitational lift and pull

so he cant out run it lol

cuz the six tails couldn't...and itachi isn't stronger or nearly as fast as the six tails

but look at nagato he has a bloody nose and i think coughs up some blood most ppl would think after you created a moon you would be tired and done

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and

naruto wasn't done obviously

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but neither was nagato

he spares naruto!
and says this


note:nagato never intended to kill naruto only to capture and
and take the fox out

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and had enough chakra to pull this off

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to bring back to life all the ppl in the leaf village


and lets not get technical cuz if he can bring back souls what makes you think he cant bring them back and use them like edo tensei but better but we will never know that...

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back to the main point!!!!


itachis susono will get merked!


this one move

(itachis projectile with susuono)

the yasakas
magatama

cant destroy planetary devastation by itself!!

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it cant it took three of the strongest techs to destroy it

well at least 2 of them were but if you want to get technical sasuke susono arrow is on the same level as yasakas magatama or if not weaker either or it does work

and that alone is not strong enough to break the black ball of planetary devastation

and genjutsu doesnt work i think the only way j-man had a chance was sage mode and the ear genjutsu with the frog song i think dojutsu dont work on rinnegan cuz why would it it belong to the sage of the fin six paths so tsukuyoni which was broke by snake sasuke does not have a chance against rinnigan eyes and thats just the eyes nagato was a uzamaki two so he most likely had mad chakra and we can verify it cuz of all the feats he pulled off all that takes made chakra and you know it dont lie and say all that took lil to no chakra he was probably on tailed beast levels if not more since he battle the fox so knowing this that nagato has mad chakra and beast a$$ eyes

itachi f#$##$#

loses
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i made a valid argument i stated all the facts straight out of the manga

had some good ideas none that which even no one with biased opinion who is on itachi side could even argue no one its all facts so if the fan boys come running back to attack this post i hope you know what your in for cuz if you read the whole thing it will blow your mind i have been wanting to do this for a while but i never knew how to put links on here that go straight to the manga but now i do


no sane man would not argue these statements there not bs i not making anything up as i go along all this is straight out of the manga


so please some one prove me wrong sorry to be an

A$$
but i hate itachi fan boys..

and minato fan boys


cuz imo if you aint dbz strong or fast you get raped

simple as that...

Before I start giving u some facts from anime and manga lets get misunderstandings set straight:

1- what i meant in the first scentence was tht if rinnengan was so great why then did madara didnt exchange both of his eyes instead of only exchanging one eye. But thts k since hving only one rinnengan is the same as having 2...in other words u wont gain nor lose any power.

2- Yes I said tht a person with rinnengan can learn all kinds of ninjutsu, but what I think u got wrong is tht having different kinds of ninjutsu wont matter much....why? watch the episode were sasuke vs orochimaru. In the episode oro remembers hw he lost his hand to itachi. He then remembers wt Itachi told him "All ur awesome jutsu r useless infront of my eyes" so hving alot of jutsus doesnt mean tht person is the ultimate.

Now ill counter all what uv just said from the manga and anime:

first here is the link to the manga were fukasaku shows that nagato is vulnerable to genjutsu

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Besides aside from itachi laying back his hands waiting for sasuke to react to his tsukyomi it is true tht sasuke got out of tsukyomi , but it was said in the anime that anyone who is related by blood can get out of tsukyomi, however nagato isnt even an uchiha so he has no hope of getting out of it, besides fukasaku said tht the genjutsu he and his wife were using was easily detectable cuz it produces sound and takes alot of time

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There is no such thing as dbz strong in naruto if ur refering to nagato, kuybii naruto and killerbee.
U knw what, k lets assume naruto + bee r dbz strong like u said. Well both of them wud hv been dead by nagato if itachi didnt come to the rescue.

Also the point were ur saying that 4th can beat itachi . Well according to both episodes and manga he was only shown to use 3 technqs. God speed, rasengan, and death god. If we say both of them played it safe. 4th would use rasengan and god speed. Nw lets get serious wt can rasengan + high speed possibly do infront of tsukyomi+susanoo. Its like the perfect counter for the 4th.

Also, thats the last time im saying this nagato cud move if he wanted to when he was in full power. OroKabuto just brainwashed him so tht he is an unstoppable killing machine its not like he is controlling every move nagato him like a puppeteer. Again this was also stated in when oro vs 3rd fight.


Now for the minor points:


Itachi is faster than pain. Did u see hw he got infront of sasuke in their fight without him even noticing.

Plus itachi has uchiha power so he can control the kyuubi

I am not saying nagato is weak he is sooooooooooooo OP and he is one of my top 5 characters, what i am saying is tht itachi is simply better.

Again itachi cud hv spammed 3 yasakas magatama just like hw sasuke uses arrows.

When naruto won against pain madara clearly said tht even sasuke is stronger than pain, not the OP nagato though lol.

PS: Dont treat naruto characters like dbz ones cuz u cannot compare.

 

[mookyuzamaki]

Before I start giving u some facts from anime and manga lets get misunderstandings set straight:

1- what i meant in the first scentence was tht if rinnengan was so great why then did madara didnt exchange both of his eyes instead of only exchanging one eye. But thts k since hving only one rinnengan is the same as having 2...in other words u wont gain nor lose any power.

2- Yes I said tht a person with rinnengan can learn all kinds of ninjutsu, but what I think u got wrong is tht having different kinds of ninjutsu wont matter much....why? watch the episode were sasuke vs orochimaru. In the episode oro remembers hw he lost his hand to itachi. He then remembers wt Itachi told him "All ur awesome jutsu r useless infront of my eyes" so hving alot of jutsus doesnt mean tht person is the ultimate.

Now ill counter all what uv just said from the manga and anime:

first here is the link to the manga were fukasaku shows that nagato is vulnerable to genjutsu

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Besides from itachi laying back his hands waiting for sasuke to react to his tsukyomi it is true tht sasuke got out of tsukyomi , but it was said in the anime that anyone who is related by blood can get out of tsukyomi, however nagato isnt even an uchiha so he has no hope of getting out of it, besides fukasaku said tht the genjutsu he and his wife were using was easily detectable cuz it produces sound and takes alot of time

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There is no such thing as dbz strong in naruto if ur refering to nagato, kuybii naruto and killerbee.
U knw what, k lets assume naruto + bee r dbz strong like u said. Well both of them wud hv been dead until itachi came to the rescue.

Also the point were ur saying that 4th can beat itachi . Well according to both episodes and manga he was only shown to use 3 technqs. God speed, rasengan, and death god. If we say both of them played it safe. 4th would use rasengan and god speed. Nw lets get serious wt can rasengan + high speed possibly do infront of tsukyomi+susanoo. Its like the perfect counter for the 4th.

Also, thats the last time im saying this nagato cud move if he wanted to when he was in full power. OroKabuto just brainwashed him so tht he is an unstoppable killing machine its not like he is controlling every move nagato him like a puppeteer. Again this was also stated in when oro vs 3rd fight.


Now for the minor points:


Itachi is faster than pain. Did u see hw he got infront of sasuke in their fight without him even noticing.

Plus itachi has uchiha power so he can control the kyuubi

I am not saying nagato is weak he is sooooooooooooo OP and he is one of my top 5 characters, what i am saying is tht itachi is simply better.

Again itachi cud hv spammed 3 yasakas magatama just like hw sasuke uses arrows.

PS: Dont treat naruto characters like dbz ones cuz u cannot compare.

Apology accepted

ok cool here is my counter attack:flaw:

1 if you want to get technical if you have riningan you are basicalyy where the uchiha started lol so your are related and even at one point the byakugan was related to the uchihas


and point being you put up a pic of when j-man used gen jutsu and thats by ear its not a dojutsu genjutsu and any dojutsu is flat out inferior to the riningan and we all know that

how do you know he can spam like sasuke they are two diff ppl

and two diff susonos lmao and its not as fast we only seen it once so stop assuming and like i will always say if that was the case if itachi could beat him like all you fan boys say he can he would have told naruto and bee to leave and help out the others but no he knew by him self he could not win

and im not gonna waste my time again you clearly hand picked what yu wanted to reply on you didnt go through the whole thing you picked what you wanted to counter attack and you keep saying what all fan boys say genjutsu and susono

but when ever planet dev is mention your on hush mode you say he can throw three yaskas contiuosly but we dont know that and even if he could its still not as strong as rassenshruiken or tbb cuz both would beat sasuke susono arrow and sasuke susono arrow is just as strong as yasaka so shut up you fail to realize itachi isnt better your just a fan boy

if itachi could get the riningan in a genjutsu then he can beat the sage

if itachi could use yaska more times then once and if each were as strong as tbb or rassengan shuriken then itachi would have told bee and naruto to leave

if itachi was faster then nagato then he is as fast as km naruto and killer bee which he isnt and we all know that you saw what naruto said his jutsu speed and strenght and over all speed are on a whole other level

and yeah the are dbz speed and strenght taild beast are like ss1

and if your as fast as minato with out ftg then your as fast as goku when he first arrived on planet namik

and killer bee naruto and raikage are all that fast it never

once shown or said itachi was that fast or strong stupid!
you said something like nagato could move no he cant he his hadicaped and he was being controlled he cant to what he wnats so he cant move like he wants oro kabuto isnt nagato he never seen nagato fight either so all this is very crucial and you pass it up saying itachi could beat a controlled nagatp is like saying you can beat a easy computer pain/ nagato using itachi on a naruto game
omg your such a fan boy you keep making all this stuff up

itachi vs the 4th is game over the 4th would rape itachi before he could even summon susono lol its immposible this is the main characters father to so you lose lefure you lose


and with all that said and done you got mekred all your points i have just counter with facts!!!!

and rational thinking...