Itachi vs Pain

[Turson]

1- The rinnengan is said to be the most powerful occular power more than a sharingan in terms of having a better insight and the user is gifted with learning all kinds of ninjutsu that was stated, however its not better than a MS or ofcourse EMS cuz that wasnt stated. otherwise why would madara hv switched one eye with a rinnengan and not both.

Having two Rinnegans wouldnt make its techniques more powerful. No wonder, its better to have one Rinnegan and Sharingan. That way Madara has all Rinnegan powers + all Sharingans abilities along with his space/time jutsu.

2- Pain is definetly not immune to genjutsu since fukasaku(the frog) was able to get him into his sound genjutsu. Sound or not a genjutsu is a genjutsu. So definately a genjutsu like tsukyomi which is third strongest genjutsu after infinite tsukyomi and shisuis eye( forgot the name) can defintely can more than easily get either nagato or the six paths of pain. Even fukasaku said that pains weakness is genjutsu

Sound genjutsu is good against Pain becuase it can trap several targets at once. With Itachi, thats not the case. When one path will be affected by genjutsu Nagato will know that right away, seeing how vision coming from that path differs from others. And Itachi would have to hit Nagato himself with Tsukiyomi, using it on paths is useless.

3- Susanoo cant be crushed by chibaku tensei as itachi was only in susanoo second state when he threw the tomoe thing (forgot the name) so his susanoo third state can easily hit the core( as the tomoe would be more powerful+ totsuka blade) of chibaku and end the technique, but then again no one knws what cud hv happened.

1. Susanoo is made from chakra, so it can be absorbed.
2. CT cant crush Susanoo, but it can trap it for good. Itachi wouldnt be able to get out, so soon Susanoo would fall due to Itachis chakra exhaustion.
3. Yasakas Magatma we have seen was Itachis most powerful long range attack, he wasnt holding back. So no, Itachi alone cant destroy CT core.

Sharigan and Byakugan are decendents of Rinnagan

Sharingan - yes, but not Byakugan.

 

[The L]

Im from another Naruto forum and this site has have the worse itachi fanboys on my site the itachi fanboys say Nagato got sealed haha but when asked who would win a healthy nagato or itachi they say Nagato these fanboys have to be the most ignorant people ever just read some of the posts anyway im going to my own forum just thought id say my piece bye

 

[zombiejesus]

itachi

 

[Turson]

itachi

Explain how, when Pain has counter for all Itachis techniques.

 

[zombiejesus]

i am more of a fan of pien than itachi but itachi takes it i think there about equal in chakra my opinion but itachi is smarter way smarter and thats what wins it for him

 

[zombiejesus]

i could be wrong have been before once or twice but we will never know because nagato is sealed now so unless itachi lets him out to play with lol i dont see another fight coming around

 

[zombiejesus]

also this has little to do with this thread but why put a draw on the poll there will be no draw ever in any fights someone would have to win draw is a easy way out

 

[Turson]

i am more of a fan of pien than itachi but itachi takes it i think there about equal in chakra my opinion but itachi is smarter way smarter and thats what wins it for him

Then Im counterpart to you, becuase Itachi is my favorite character, but Pain simply has counter for every one of Itachis moves. About chakra... are you joking? Pain has chakra like... at leats 20 times bigger than Itachi. That guy is chakra monster, while Itachi has simply low stamina.
1. Tsukiyomi - it will be useless, unless it will be used on Nagato himself.
2. Amaterasu - can be absorbed, countered with Shinra Tensei or Bansho Tenin.
3. Susanoo - can be absorbed, or trapped in Chibaku Tensei.

 

[Ame no kage]

Then Im counterpart to you, becuase Itachi is my favorite character, but Pain simply has counter for every one of Itachis moves. About chakra... are you joking? Pain has chakra like... at leats 20 times bigger than Itachi. That guy is chakra monster, while Itachi has simply low stamina.
1. Tsukiyomi - it will be useless, unless it will be used on Nagato himself.
2. Amaterasu - can be absorbed, countered with Shinra Tensei or Bansho Tenin.
3. Susanoo - can be absorbed, or trapped in Chibaku Tensei.

i agree

 

[arv993]

and about the sword of totsuka it cant seal multiple things.
1) It only can seal one person at a time

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1) It can ether cut or seal, it has to do one or another.It cant do both

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2) those who say that totsuka sword stricks fast, let me remind you that Orochimaru couldnt have possbly dodge it cus he was in a big ass serpent
that was on Sasuke. Also you can tell from Orochimaru's confidence that he wasnt even thinkin about dadging it.He new that anything that that struck him wasnt going to kill him, but he didnt know that it was the sword of Totsuka

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3)to add, Orochimaru had no control of Sasuke in that situation. No Way No How could Orochimaru have dodged it. He Was Unable to move.

oro got caught in between his words and did not even notice it and you say that it is not fast and nagato did not notice it too. yes he was confident after the sword hit him but he did not kno even as it hit as he talked.

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

i am more of a fan of pien than itachi but itachi takes it i think there about equal in chakra my opinion but itachi is smarter way smarter and thats what wins it for him

No Nagato's chakra was shown to be More ocular than Sharigan and It realy never shown signs of depleating. if so Nagato's health was the main cause. both are heathy (in this thread) but Itachi's MS Drains him more than Nagato's six paths os pain

 

[johnith]

nagato is nothing itachi wins

 

[mookyuzamaki]

im not gonna waste my time explaining this again i made another thread just so ppl can get all the facts but again ill post it again so ppl can understand just way itachi cant win.....

ppl on nb are biased as hell and its like that in every thread its always turns in to a popularity contest no matter what.even though the character pain nagato or who ever it is the obvious winner and the popular one wins no matter what. pains eyes are the ultimate dojutsu i doubt itachis tsukuyomi would effect him cuz if snake sasuke

beat it anyone can
too


this is not me talking this is some itachi fanboy

(this guy named Shamami posted this:




Just to make things clear:

1- The rinnengan is said to be the most powerful occular power more than a sharingan in terms of having a better insight and the user is gifted with learning all kinds of ninjutsu that was stated, however its not better than a MS or ofcourse EMS cuz that wasnt stated. otherwise why would madara hv switched one eye with a rinnengan and not both.

what i have to say about this:this makes no sense if it be longed to the so6p then its beast if ems or ms was stronger then the so6p would have ems or ms

so thats just dumb and he even said rinningan can learn all kinds of crazy jutsu he says this above and this is a guy going for itachi

2- Pain is definetly not immune to genjutsu since fukasaku(the frog) was able to get him into his sound genjutsu. Sound or not a genjutsu is a genjutsu. So definately a genjutsu like tsukyomi which is third strongest genjutsu after infinite tsukyomi and shisuis eye( forgot the name) can defintely can more than easily get either nagato or the six paths of pain. Even fukasaku said that pains weakness is genjutsu

what i have to say about this:i dont remeber him saying that at all i think he meant genjutsu's by ear other than that if you think pain can be caught in a tskuyomi which snake sasuke broke then your saying the so6p can get caught as well

and saying tskuyomi is the third strongest genjutsu is dumb since snake sasuke broke it

3- Susanoo cant be crushed by chibaku tensei as itachi was only in susanoo second state when he threw the tomoe thing (forgot the name) so his susanoo third state can easily hit the core( as the tomoe would be more powerful+ totsuka blade) of chibaku and end the technique, but then again no one knws what cud hv happened.

what i have to say about this:yeah you dont know and whats this about susono states whatever state its in complete or not its not as strong or stronger then the nine tails which was caught in the planetary devastation)

but back to the point


this is snake sasuke fighting itachi and itachi is about to use or i think is already is using tsukuyomi

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and snake sasuke breaking tsukuyomi

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most idiots like fan boy itachi fans and zetsu well i think the white one

thinks if itachi uses tsukuyomi and your done

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i repeat this is snake sasuke


not even ms just has a regular 3 moe shariggan

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and a quote from zetsu that i love

that proves itachis genjutsu isn't really that tough

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so knowing that snake sasuske broke free of it and he had three moe sharingan then a beast a$$ nagato rinnegan can break it note these are the eyes of the sage and i think nagato is older then itachi since he was j-mans apprentice and i dont think itachi was even in the anbu yet (if im wrong doesnt matter they have to be in the same age group or nagato is older and has more exp. so in comparing smarts and overall battle smarts there isn't a vast difference) but besides that it took three of the toughest ninja up to date at present time to beat complete nagato
1 rasenshrukrn
(is one of the best jutsus in naruto)
1 tailed beast bomb
(is what the fourth tried to replicate but only grasp somewhat of what the jutsu really was and made rassengan)
and 1 projectile from susono
(susono is just a beast and is a end all or be all for some characters just cuz the sealing jutsu part)

so knowing this

that it took all three and in that three there all around the same level

killer bee is tough
(imo naruto cant beat be right now)
naruto is tough

(naruto is fast enough to beat itachi right off the bat and genjutsu can be broke when a teammate wakes you up or releases it hopefully the nine tails can do that to tsukuyomi but we will never know unless sasuke uses tskuyomi on naruto and naruto and the fox break it but till this day we know in naruto that a sharingan and a ninja who uses sharingan can break out of tskuyomi and snake sasuke broke it when he was a snake and had no teamate to break it and the only person we seen get caught and itachi raping them inside it was kakshi and that was when they were kids so imo a tailed beast can help break it)



and itachi will get beat by both lol but it doesn't matter there all beast


and you already know what my point is if your not dbz strong rite now where the anime is at rite now your nothing this is where naruto is being compared to his dad who was mad fast so bull ish jutsu like susono are not gonna work if someone has mad chakra then they can run away jump doge way faster and do super human feats and when your doing things like this



(spoilers)

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taking all chakra based attacks!

in one body

just one!

and he is fast


nagato was not in control of his own paths, now if you face itachi against the 6 paths of pain, you will get a more organized 6 paths, for example there formation when vs naruto. sharingan eye sight it far greater then any ones eyes i will admit, but vs 6 pair of eyes watching every move you do, and im sure they can close ther eyes to combat itachi's genjutsu while the others see for them, for example, animal path whith its eyes disabled was still able to fight. remember they can revive each other, summon each other.

and its the same at this point if nagato was controlling the summons and all that it would be a diff story
and he can suck out your soul like tsaang sung off mortal combat


also he is holding naruto rite there and naruto has some what controlled the nine tails fox's chakra so naruto is mad strong and naruto is getting man handled by nagato

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and also this
nagato

stops killer bee's attack with this mecha arm thing
wow!

killer bee who is probably kinda close to A the raikage's speed

if not faster imo
since his lariat beat A's

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then he pulls out a mecha cannon that does a blast similar to jugos beam



attack

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jugos beam attack

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also note what naruto says his

speed and strength are on a way higher level and this is naruto chakra mode when he is the orange flash!


and also i agree with itachi rite here

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every jutsu has a flaw its true


BUT


when your alone going against this jutsu


and if your not as strong as the nine tails or half of the nine tails chakra
(naruto six tails vs pain six paths!)

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and look at this??

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there is no way in hell itachi is gonna run away with susono and get out of this no way in hell.....

and not even itachi just running without susono can doge this cuz he isnt stronger then gravity
or faster
he cant beat the gravitational lift and pull

so he cant out run it lol

cuz the six tails couldn't...and itachi isn't stronger or nearly as fast as the six tails

but look at nagato he has a bloody nose and i think coughs up some blood most ppl would think after you created a moon you would be tired and done

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and

naruto wasn't done obviously

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but neither was nagato

he spares naruto!
and says this


note:nagato never intended to kill naruto only to capture and
and take the fox out

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and had enough chakra to pull this off

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to bring back to life all the ppl in the leaf village


and lets not get technical cuz if he can bring back souls what makes you think he cant bring them back and use them like edo tensei but better but we will never know that...

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back to the main point!!!!


itachis susono will get merked!


this one move

(itachis projectile with susuono)

the yasakas
magatama

cant destroy planetary devastation by itself!!

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it cant it took three of the strongest techs to destroy it

well at least 2 of them were but if you want to get technical sasuke susono arrow is on the same level as yasakas magatama or if not weaker either or it does work

and that alone is not strong enough to break the black ball of planetary devastation

and genjutsu doesnt work i think the only way j-man had a chance was sage mode and the ear genjutsu with the frog song i think dojutsu dont work on rinnegan cuz why would it it belong to the sage of the fin six paths so tsukuyoni which was broke by snake sasuke does not have a chance against rinnigan eyes and thats just the eyes nagato was a uzamaki two so he most likely had mad chakra and we can verify it cuz of all the feats he pulled off all that takes made chakra and you know it dont lie and say all that took lil to no chakra he was probably on tailed beast levels if not more since he battle the fox so knowing this that nagato has mad chakra and beast a$$ eyes

itachi f#$##$#

loses
point blank

i made a valid argument i stated all the facts straight out of the manga

had some good ideas none that which even no one with biased opinion who is on itachi side could even argue no one its all facts so if the fan boys come running back to attack this post i hope you know what your in for cuz if you read the whole thing it will blow your mind i have been wanting to do this for a while but i never knew how to put links on here that go straight to the manga but now i do


no sane man would not argue these statements there not bs i not making anything up as i go along all this is straight out of the manga


so please some one prove me wrong sorry to be an

A$$
but i hate itachi fan boys..

and minato fan boys


cuz imo if you aint dbz strong or fast you get raped

simple as that...

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

oro got caught in between his words and did not even notice it and you say that it is not fast and nagato did not notice it too. yes he was confident after the sword hit him but he did not kno even as it hit as he talked.

Did you read what I post.How can you quote my post then post the argument
That my post already pointed out

and Itachi new about Nagato eyes power so in the begining of the fight he blinded all rinnagans on the battlefield Nagato didnt see it.plus he broke edo tensei

 

[Turson]

nagato is nothing itachi wins

You know, there are fans and fanboys. Im Itachis fan, but you are obviously the latter. Everyone can say "Itachi will pwn Pain" but I see no valid arguments behind it.

 

[arv993]

Then Im counterpart to you, becuase Itachi is my favorite character, but Pain simply has counter for every one of Itachis moves. About chakra... are you joking? Pain has chakra like... at leats 20 times bigger than Itachi. That guy is chakra monster, while Itachi has simply low stamina.
1. Tsukiyomi - it will be useless, unless it will be used on Nagato himself.
2. Amaterasu - can be absorbed, countered with Shinra Tensei or Bansho Tenin.
3. Susanoo - can be absorbed, or trapped in Chibaku Tensei.

amaterasu can affect any path other than tendo and preta. amaterasu is fast and he can get any of those paths, it just requires itachi to look at them not to mention those paths are not that fast. preta has to be near itachi to absorb him and he can easily be sealed if he gets close, tendo is the biggest threat but it takes time for him to use chibaku tensei and can easily be countered by itachi with the sword, yata mirror can act as a shield for almost any attack and it can be activated and deactivated as he sees fit. Itachi would win most of the times. His techs can be countered but the way he uses them are more important and itachi is one of the smartest characters on the show and he would obviously attack them with appropriate tech after he sees their powers.

 

[arv993]

Did you read what I post.How can you quote my post then post the argument
That my post already pointed out

and Itachi new about Nagato eyes power so in the begining of the fight he blinded all rinnagans on the battlefield Nagato didnt see it.plus he broke edo tensei

he did u not notice it how did u not see that

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he is clearly talking and did not even notice the sword. he was caught in between his words. And the paths are not fast some of them were caught by rasen-shuriken which is much slower and noticeable

 

[Turson]

amaterasu can affect any path other than tendo and preta

Amaterasu can be pulled out from any path by Bansho Tenin.

amaterasu is fast and he can get any of those paths

When Itachi will be focusing on eliminationg one path with Amaterasu, others can use it and kill him.

it just requires itachi to look at them

No, Itachi has to mold chakra in the eye and focus his eyesight.

preta has to be near itachi to absorb him and he can easily be sealed

If Preta was alone, then yes, but other paths can distract Itachi.

tendo is the biggest threat but it takes time for him to use chibaku tensei

Yeah, like few seconds.

chibaku tensei and can easily be countered by itachi with the sword, yata mirror can act as a shield for almost any attack and it can be activated and deactivated as he sees fit

Itachi alone is helpless against Chibaku Tensei. Yasakas Magatma is not powerful enough to destroy the core, and Yata mirror is helpless against gravitation pull, its not direct attack. As you can see, Itachi is not floating inside Susanoo, gravitation works on him just well. Itachi would be able to protect himself only as long as he would have chakra to hold Susanoo.

itachi is one of the smartest characters on the show and he would obviously attack them with appropriate tech after he sees their powers

Thing is, Itachi dont has counters against Pain powers, its the contrary. Even in healthy state, I see Itachi taking down 4 paths, but that would be max for him IMO.

 

[Ame no kage]

he did u not notice it how did u not see that

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he is clearly talking and did not even notice the sword. he was caught in between his words. And the paths are not fast some of them were caught by rasen-shuriken which is much slower and noticeable

oro had no knowledge of itachi having that sword, had he knew i would say the outcome would of been different.

 

[arv993]

Amaterasu can be pulled out from any path by Bansho Tenin.

When Itachi will be focusing on eliminationg one path with Amaterasu, others can use it and kill him.

No, Itachi has to mold chakra in the eye and focus his eyesight.

If Preta was alone, then yes, but other paths can distract Itachi.

Yeah, like few seconds.

Itachi alone is helpless against Chibaku Tensei. Yasakas Magatma is not powerful enough to destroy the core, and Yata mirror is helpless against gravitation pull, its not direct attack. As you can see, Itachi is not floating inside Susanoo, gravitation works on him just well. Itachi would be able to protect himself only as long as he would have chakra to hold Susanoo.

Thing is, Itachi dont has counters against Pain powers, its the contrary. Even in healthy state, I see Itachi taking down 4 paths, but that would be max for him IMO.

the paths are slow they can hit with the sword easily, can be hit with amaterasu, yaska, and the sword. pain has a limit on using bansho tenin or shinra tensei he has a 5 second one, itachi's tech is faster than that and he can get multiple ppl since their formations are always pretty close. itachi can drop also multiple fires at one so he can get 3-4 paths at once. and by the time anything that can be done itachi can still continue to attack the other paths and occupy them things like bansho tenin has a 5 sec timelimit. and by that time parts of their bodies would be partially burned and way less useful.

They can barely dodge an attack like rasenshuriken especially the animal path

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amaterasu, sword, susanos hands would hit them easily