[VS] Itachi vs Kakashi

[Selan]

Kakashi is definitely faster, physically stronger and tougher, and better in CQC, as for pure taijutsu and thanks to Raiton nintaijutsu with unblockable attacks like Raikiri and Raikiri kunai/weapons, also there is Raiden and things like Raiju Hashiri that are quick and deadly attacks in short and mid range; Itachi's short range ninjutsu can't stand Kakashi's, that has also haxxed Raiton Kage Bunshin and the skill to outperform Itachi himself in trickery and battle tactics, for example in combo with Doton as in canon. Also long range game is definitely on Kakashi's side. Genjutsu isn't really a deciding factor as Kakashi can stand against Obito's. Kakashi has also a lot more chakra and stamina to spend.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I am admittingly confused as to what you're trying to say here.

OT: Itachi medium to potentially high difficulty.

2 fireballs (crimson flower and great fireball)
And clones.
That's all he has when ms is taken away.
I don't see the confusion.

 

[LustyLover]

2 fireballs (crimson flower and great fireball)
And clones.
That's all he has when ms is taken away.
I don't see the confusion.

...that's obviously incorrect. He has quite a lot of other jutsu up his sleeve not to mention Shisui's MS was never restricted so he'd be able to use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi by using his eye as a medium.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

...that's obviously incorrect. He has quite a lot of other jutsu up his sleeve not to mention Shisui's MS was never restricted so he'd be able to use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi by using his eye as a medium.

Name them. Genjutsu is useless so it's not even worth mentioning. And no he can't use his ms techs through Shisui's ms.

 

[LustyLover]

Name them. Genjutsu is useless so it's not even worth mentioning. And no he can't use his ms techs through Shisui's ms.

@Bold, he most certainly can. Where are you getting this from, and how is Genjutsu useless?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

@Bold, he most certainly can. Where are you getting this from, and how is Genjutsu useless?

No he can't. Shisui's eye can only use ka. Nothing leads me to believe he can.
3 tome sees through genjutsu.

 

[LustyLover]

No he can't. Shisui's eye can only use ka. Nothing leads me to believe he can.
3 tome sees through genjutsu.

Uh, what? Itachi already used Amaterasu through someone else's 3T; nothing implies he can't use it through someone else's MS, and if he can use Amaterasu through it then he can use Tsukuyomi through it.

Naruto had great chakra control (controlling and forming a Rasenshuriken and a mixing his elemental nature with a Rasengan, something even Minato was stated to be unable to do although skilled) and a Bijuu-level quantity of chakra. He did all the steps needed to break through Itachi's Genjutsu and still failed while it was at 30 percent of its original power. I fail to see how Kakashi breaks a full-powered one.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Uh, what? Itachi already used Amaterasu through someone else's 3T; nothing implies he can't use it through someone else's MS, and if he can use Amaterasu through it then he can use Tsukuyomi through it.

No he programed sasuke's eye to to cast it's ama at obito upon sight. Sasuke already had ms at that point.

 

[LustyLover]

No he programed sasuke's eye to to cast it's ama at obito upon sight. Sasuke already had ms at that point.

Show me a scan of him having MS because, as far as I know, he didn't have it at all.

@Bold, no, Itachi sealed the Amaterasu inside of his eye and rigged it to activate at a designated target. It doesn't matter that he chose for it to be shot at Obito; he could have it shot at anyone he chooses.

 

[LuckyMan]

Uh, what? Itachi already used Amaterasu through someone else's 3T; nothing implies he can't use it through someone else's MS, and if he can use Amaterasu through it then he can use Tsukuyomi through it.

Naruto had great chakra control (controlling and forming a Rasenshuriken and a mixing his elemental nature with a Rasengan, something even Minato was stated to be unable to do although skilled) and a Bijuu-level quantity of chakra. He did all the steps needed to break through Itachi's Genjutsu while it was at 30 percent of its original power. I fail to see how Kakashi breaks a full-powered one.

First claim is dumb.

Second claim is worse. Naruto faced 30% Itachi when he still needed a clone to make his Rasengans, and he had no idea what his chakra nature was, how to manipulate the quality of that nature, and how to enter SM. Thats how bad his chakra control sucked at that point and he and Kurama were not on good terms so he wouldn't break Naruto from the Genjutsu. The quantity of his reserves means nothing because having more chakra does not mean you break Genjutsu, for example, Obito and Kurama.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Show me a scan of him having MS because, as far as I know, he didn't have it at all.

@Bold, no, Itachi sealed the Amaterasu inside of his eye and rigged it to activate at a designated target. It doesn't matter that he chose for it to be shot at Obito; he could have it shot at anyone he chooses.

He gained ms the moment itachi died. That's why his eye bled.
No sasuke awakened amaterasu he juts programed it to cast on obito.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Uh, what? Itachi already used Amaterasu through someone else's 3T; nothing implies he can't use it through someone else's MS, and if he can use Amaterasu through it then he can use Tsukuyomi through it.

Naruto had great chakra control (controlling and forming a Rasenshuriken and a mixing his elemental nature with a Rasengan, something even Minato was stated to be unable to do although skilled) and a Bijuu-level quantity of chakra. He did all the steps needed to break through Itachi's Genjutsu while it was at 30 percent of its original power. I fail to see how Kakashi breaks a full-powered one.

That edit tho. Naruto sucked at genjutsu.

 

[ATD]

First claim is dumb.

Second claim is worse. Naruto faced 30% Itachi when he still needed a clone to make his Rasengans, and he had no idea what his chakra nature was, how to manipulate the quality of that nature, and how to enter SM. Thats how bad his chakra control sucked at that point and he and Kurama were not on good terms so he wouldn't break Naruto from the Genjutsu. The quantity of his reserves means nothing because having more chakra does not mean you break Genjutsu, for example, Obito and Kurama.

i second this.

 

[LustyLover]

First claim is dumb.

Says opinionated statement with no evidence to back it up, and my assertment is supposed to be dumb? Come back to me when you actually make sense. Until then the only shit that's dumb here is you.

Second claim is worse. Naruto faced 30% Itachi when he still needed a clone to make his Rasengans, and he had no idea what his chakra nature was, how to manipulate the quality of that nature, and how to enter SM. Thats how bad his chakra control sucked at that point and he and Kurama were not on good terms so he wouldn't break Naruto from the Genjutsu. The quantity of his reserves means nothing because having more chakra does not mean you break Genjutsu, for example, Obito and Kurama.

Naruto had always possessed great chakra control. Where are you getting this shit from? Knowing what chakra nature you possess=/= having adept skill over controlling your chakra, so that statement is as irrelevant and unimportant as you are. Naruto, in order to acquire SM in the first place, had to have abnormally good chakra control and, even after getting SM, still had to use clones for his Rasengan so that means nothing since his chakra control was good then as well.

Obito controlling Kurama reflects off how well his own Genjutsu prowess is. It doesn't mean Kurama's large amount chakra isn't important in countering Genjutsu. Naruto's amount of chakra matters because the more amount of chakra he outputs to disrupt his chakra, the more chances he has in breaking Itachi's Genjutsu. If someone raised his chakra that's Bijuu-level and failed to counter Genjutsu at 30%, then nothing implies that someone possessing lower chakra control and reserves can counter the same technique at 100%

 

[LustyLover]

He gained ms the moment itachi died. That's why his eye bled.
No sasuke awakened amaterasu he juts programed it to cast on obito.

Show me a scan proving this. Itachi's MS appeared in his eyes, not Sasuke's own MS.

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Oh, so first Itachi used the Amaterasu, and now Sasuke's the one using it? Make up your mind. Obito stated it was Itachi's doing, not Sasuke's.

That edit tho. Naruto sucked at genjutsu.

Sucking at using Genjutsu doesn't equate into sucking at counterering Genjutsu.

 

[Demonic.]

Lol at Kakashi winning.

Itachi wins Mid diff. The man solo'd Orochimaru with 3T

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Itachi blitzes

 

[LustyLover]

Itachi blitzes

Pretty much. Requoting Adobo:

Then we can factor in Itachi's shunshin speed —around the speed of Sasuke's susano'o arrows [

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And Kamui is restricted here. Kakashi has nothing on his speed.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Pretty much. Requoting Adobo:



And Kamui is restricted here. Kakashi has nothing on his speed.

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[LuckyMan]

Naruto had always possessed great chakra control. Where are you getting this shit from? Knowing what chakra nature you possess=/= having adept skill over controlling your chakra, so that statement is as irrelevant and unimportant as you are. Naruto, in order to acquire SM in the first place, had to have abnormally good chakra control and, even after getting SM, still had to use clones for his Rasengan so that means nothing since his chakra control was good then as well.

I know right? He always had such great control over his chakra that he could make shadow clones and use transformation techniques yet not climb trees/walk on water. xd

Obito controlling Kurama reflects off how well his own Genjutsu prowess is. It doesn't mean Kurama's large amount chakra isn't important in countering Genjutsu. Naruto's amount of chakra matters because the more amount of chakra he outputs to disrupt his chakra, the more chances he has in breaking Itachi's Genjutsu. If someone raised his chakra that's Bijuu-level and failed to counter Genjutsu at 30%, then nothing implies that someone possessing lower chakra control and reserves can counter the same technique at 100%

The greater quantity of chakra one outputs does not give you more chances of breaking Genjutsu. What you need to understand is that one must stop the flow of chakra in their body then kick start it again to break a technique. I'm giving you the manga example of breaking it, your giving your own interpretation and assuming that the quantity of the reserves must be high to do so when the manga does not state that.

If 14 year old 3 tomoe Obito controlling Kurama reflects how well his Genjutsu prowess is and 35 year old 3 tomoe Obito's Genjutsu does nothing to Kakashi, you just defeated your own argument of any 3 tomoe Genjutsu Itachi has even affecting Kakashi.