[VS] Itachi vs Kakashi

[ChocolateVanilla]

coming from the man denying itachi's own admissions? Rich.

No I'm saying that since itachi didn't hit him it can't be considered a blitz. Just because Itachi failed to hit kabuto that doesn't mean he'll successfully hit kakashi.
I asked you to counter your own scan since
A) kakashi already put itachi in that exact situation
And
B) war arc kakashi is vastly superior to Hebi Sasuke

since kakashi had to save kuranai

Really? Cuz he used a exploding clones in that fight and not only did kakashi see through it, he saved kuranai from it. He didn't die (despite your claim) and he saved someone else (despite itachi's setup)


what scans? The 30 % itachi lost.

No I'm well aware. But it doesn't change him getting slammed by rasengan. So much for focus.
Kakashi's first use of water clone was on land....


Did it against kakazu.
Yet itachi got fooled by it. That focus tho.
used ms 5 times.
I'll count it out 4 u. 1 Tsukiyomi, 2 amaterasu, 2 susanno, runs out of chakra.
only after his second day of war. And if we're using rikudo 3 t kakashi itachi gets murderstomped. So you'd best not bring it up again.

like he already did twice... but contine.
Not really considering pain, deidara, hidan, itachi , kisame zabuza etc all fell for it.
He wouldn't be caught dead in a situation like that. He(unlike sasuke) is a clone user. What the hell is he doing engaging itachi directly? Lol

Kakashi's gonna use ninjutsu (water walls earth wall, lightNing hounds, etc) to break los. Then he sets up his clone feints.

Creates water clone without source of water.

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They were literally fighting right next to a body of water, but K

And saying That Kakashi put him in that situation is not even a counter, and then add the fact that they weren't even in the same situation.

Kakashi used a clone to fool Itachi so that he wouldn't be caught in his Genjutsu and to also create an opening.
Itachi grabbed Sasuke so that his clone would be able to hit Sasuke with a Kunai wothout missing, so I'm still waiting on that counter

 

[ATD]

They were literally fighting right next to a body of water, but K

And saying That Kakashi put him in that situation is not even a counter, and then add the fact that they weren't even in the same situation.

Kakashi used a clone to fool Itachi so that he wouldn't be caught in his Genjutsu and to also create an opening.
Itachi grabbed Sasuke so that his clone would be able to hit Sasuke with a Kunai wothout missing, so I'm still waiting on that counter

the counter to the scan you posted is easy : opening the first gate to get a short power up in speed, strenght and taijutsu to get rid of the orginal who hold kakashi.
The kakashi which are grabed by itachi could also turn out to be a raiton clone which would paralyze both, the orginal itachi and his clone.

In the scan you posted its clear that itachis clone was made before, he didnt come out of itachi without making hadsigns, so kakashi can do the same, place a clone underground and when the situation happens like in your scan, kakashis clone can come out of the ground blocking the kunais.

Kakashi is able to summon ninja dogs uderground, they can also wait until a situation comes where both grap each other and then they come out trapping the orginal itachi, while kakashi blocks the kunais.

 

[Bogard]

They were literally fighting right next to a body of water, but K

And saying That Kakashi put him in that situation is not even a counter, and then add the fact that they weren't even in the same situation.

Kakashi used a clone to fool Itachi so that he wouldn't be caught in his Genjutsu and to also create an opening.
Itachi grabbed Sasuke so that his clone would be able to hit Sasuke with a Kunai wothout missing, so I'm still waiting on that counter

Except Kakashi is the one who managed to feint Itachi with KB twice, so why would we give such a scenario to Itachi when it's always the contrary that happens? It simply means Itachi can't feint Kakashi

 

[BenjerminGaye]

They were literally fighting right next to a body of water, but K

And saying That Kakashi put him in that situation is not even a counter, and then add the fact that they weren't even in the same situation.

Kakashi used a clone to fool Itachi so that he wouldn't be caught in his Genjutsu and to also create an opening.
Itachi grabbed Sasuke so that his clone would be able to hit Sasuke with a Kunai wothout missing, so I'm still waiting on that counter

Proof that he got water from the lake? Last I checked he didn't even touch the lake till zabuza forced him in.

It is the same exact situation .
Kakashi used a clone to hold down itachi ( equivalent of itachi holding down sasuke) so and outside force( itachi's clone, naruto's rasengan) would take the target out.

So please counter it.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Except Kakashi is the one who managed to feint Itachi with KB twice, so why would we give such a scenario to Itachi when it's always the contrary that happens? It simply means Itachi can't feint Kakashi

Except that Iatchi didn't feint Sasuke, he created a clone without Sasuke being aware of it and then the clone proceeded to throw Kunai after Itachi grappeled Sasuke.

the counter to the scan you posted is easy : opening the first gate to get a short power up in speed, strenght and taijutsu to get rid of the orginal who hold kakashi.
The kakashi which are grabed by itachi could also turn out to be a raiton clone which would paralyze both, the orginal itachi and his clone.

In the scan you posted its clear that itachis clone was made before, he didnt come out of itachi without making hadsigns, so kakashi can do the same, place a clone underground and when the situation happens like in your scan, kakashis clone can come out of the ground blocking the kunais.

Kakashi is able to summon ninja dogs uderground, they can also wait until a situation comes where both grap each other and then they come out trapping the orginal itachi, while kakashi blocks the kunais.

The first gate wouldn't do shit. Kakashi would have to awaken the gate, THEN break hold of Itachi's grapple, THEN dodge the Kunai, which is not happening, not to mention that the first gate takes a lot out of Kakashi, so if a snake miraculously came out of his skin, Kalashi would be weakened to thw point where Itachi could shunshin blitz him. And no a Raiton Bunshin feint wouldn't work, Kakashi would have to distract Itachi first, but he would have to make seals which Itachi could easily take advantage of by using Shunshin

Itachi can make seals in direct combat, so I don't know what you're trying to convey, and the Sharingan can see Chakra, so an underground cloune wouldn't work.


Again, the Sharingan can see Chakra, so underground ninken wouldn't work, and Itachi could even control them with his Sharingan

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Proof that he got water from the lake? Last I checked he didn't even touch the lake till zabuza forced him in.

It is the same situation kakashi used a clone to hold down itachi ( equivalent of itachi holding down sasuke) so and outside force( itachi's clone, naruto's rasengan) would take the target out.

So please counter it.

You don't need to touch the lake to utilize the water inside of it.

So Naruto is fighting with Kakashi now? For the last time, can you prove that he could do that in a 1v1 scenario? I'm done replying to you until you bring some real stuff here..

 

[Bogard]

Except that Iatchi didn't feint Sasuke, he created a clone without Sasuke being aware of it and then the clone proceeded to throw Kunai after Itachi grappeled Sasuke.

And it's different to what i was saying how? I'm saying Itachi can't use a clone outside Kakashi's awareness if it never happened in the manga. Sasuke isn't as analytic as Kakashi to detect such minor things

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Except Kakashi is the one who managed to feint Itachi with KB twice, so why would we give such a scenario to Itachi when it's always the contrary that happens? It simply means Itachi can't feint Kakashi

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Seeing through Itachi's clone feints since part 1 yet expects me to believe kakashi will fall for his clone feints. Lol by Feats zabuza is a better clone user. At least he tricked kakashi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You don't need to touch the lake to utilize the water inside of it.

So Naruto is fighting with Kakashi now? For the last time, can you prove that he could do that in a 1v1 scenario? I'm done replying to you until you bring some real stuff here..

You're point? You can't prove he got the water from the lake.

Kakashi came out and told naruto to attack. He could have ended himself but like itachi he's conserving chakra. Itachi wasn't and couldn't go anywhere.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

And it's different to what i was saying how? I'm saying Itachi can't use a clone outside Kakashi's awareness if it never happened in the manga. Sasuke isn't as analytic as Kakashi to detect such minor things

Sasuke was able to notice something as minor as some of Deidara's Bombs not detonating due to his Chidori Senbon
Multiple Shuriken can throw off Kakashi as it did to Sasuke

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Sasuke was able to notice something as minor as some of Deidara's Bombs not detonating due to his Chidori Senbon
Multiple Shuriken can throw off Kakashi as it did to Sasuke

False. Sasuke didn't know why they denoted and had to use multiple hypothesis to figure out why.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Anyways I'm done with the back and forth and denial of manga scan. OP never mentioned which kakashi it is so 3T rikudo kakashi stomps good day.

 

[abouda123]

kakashi med diff

 

[ATD]

Except that Iatchi didn't feint Sasuke, he created a clone without Sasuke being aware of it and then the clone proceeded to throw Kunai after Itachi grappeled Sasuke.


The first gate wouldn't do shit. Kakashi would have to awaken the gate, THEN break hold of Itachi's grapple, THEN dodge the Kunai, which is not happening, not to mention that the first gate takes a lot out of Kakashi, so if a snake miraculously came out of his skin, Kalashi would be weakened to thw point where Itachi could shunshin blitz him. And no a Raiton Bunshin feint wouldn't work, Kakashi would have to distract Itachi first, but he would have to make seals which Itachi could easily take advantage of by using Shunshin

Itachi can make seals in direct combat, so I don't know what you're trying to convey, and the Sharingan can see Chakra, so an underground cloune wouldn't work.


Again, the Sharingan can see Chakra, so underground ninken wouldn't work, and Itachi could even control them with his Sharingan

Kakasi can open the first gate very fast

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In Narutopedia it says the user who opened te 1 gate is able to use 100% of there muscle strenght, normaly every human only use
20% so kakasi would be 5 times stronger and would defenitiv be able to kick itachi away and block the kunais.

EVen if not the possibility that kakashi is another clone is to high.
Sharingan can only see chakra if there line of sight isnt blocked, so a doton wall or going underground will do the job.
Byakugan is able to see through things, but sharingan hasnt shown that feat, if iam wrong proof it.
I doubt itachi would wasting his time to gain control over one dog, there are also shadow clones of kakashi which will attack itachi.

Sorry but i doubt the situation you posted in your scan is never going to happen, because both are clone users who can think ahead.
another question, what will itachi do if kakashi shots a beast runner against him followed by a raikiri kunai, while underground are waiting the nin dogs or shadowlones which kakashi placed earlier ?
Itachi wont be able to defend himself against so many opponents/attacks.
are you agreeing with me over the fact that kakashi can do more clones than itachi ?