So his name was revealed and it's Ootsutsuki Bagoromo.
So according to this, Bagoromo was from Ootsutsuki clan, right? In this page, it is stated that Bagoromo was the first person who was born with chakra which leads to the conclusion that his clan, and every other clan, had as members mere humen till that moment, correct?
I want to ask you a question: Based on what do we define each clan that came after sage? Based on its signature abilities such as Nara clan. Since Bagoromo had two sons, shouldn't they also have his name, the name of his clan which is Ootstsuki? However they're only known as senju and uchiha ancestors. Why is that? Because it's their abilities that made them differ as their special traits. Senju's strong body and livability, uchiha's strong visual prowess. That explains why those 2 clans were known as the most fearsome since they were the first people, after the sage who got to have chakra.
My point is that the sage himself belonged to a clan which till that moment had as clan members mere humen. However what if by becoming the jinjuuriki of the 10 tails, got abilities which were traits only to him? We know for a fact that he was the only person to have the rinnegan so that makes him special right? What else do we know about him? We know that he survived the extraction of a tailed beast, the progenitor of them to be specific, we know that he knew some powerful sealings, we know that he was a monk who was seaking peace as well as that he had some powerful lifeforce. Aren't all these things undeniable facts so far?
Now I would like to make a comparison with another clan: the uzumaki clan. Apart from the rinnegan part, all the other traits I said aren't characteristics of the specific clan as well?
Question, why did Kurama recognize sage's sealing at naruto and why the uzumaki mask in order to be activated needed to be in front of the uchiha tablet, a tablet which was written by the sage himself and why does his older son's dojutsu bears a great similarity to the uzumaki symbol and why does he sit in a throne with uzumamki's symbols?
How can you explain that the first uchiha ancestor, a man from ootsutsuki clan, has uzumaki's symbol in his dojutsu, since according to you, uchiha and senju were the very first 2 clans with chakra and therefore uzumaki were non-existent but yet we see the very first sage's son having it in his dojutsu?
I think that you know where I'm getting with it.
As I stated before, clans that came when chakra started to appear were probably defined by their very special abilities. However, in sage's case, all clans were the same because they didn't have chakra they were just mere humen. However, the fact that the sage was the first person who was born with chakra as well as the fact that he became the first jin gave him special traits ( I support that the sage did get rinengan from the Juubi but that's not the subject here).
So my question to you is this: Why all the things we know about the sage, his sealing techiques, the capacity of living even after the extraction, him being a monk as well as what I said about his older son and about Kurama reconnaisance of Naruto's seal don't point towards the fact that the sage, that the very first person with chakra, who had in fact the traits of uzumaki, wasn't the uzumaki ancestor?
Explain me how the third person who ever had chakra, sage's older son got to have as dojutsu's symbol the uzumaki symbol something which according to you was not even existent back then.
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So according to this, Bagoromo was from Ootsutsuki clan, right? In this page, it is stated that Bagoromo was the first person who was born with chakra which leads to the conclusion that his clan, and every other clan, had as members mere humen till that moment, correct?
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I want to ask you a question: Based on what do we define each clan that came after sage? Based on its signature abilities such as Nara clan. Since Bagoromo had two sons, shouldn't they also have his name, the name of his clan which is Ootstsuki? However they're only known as senju and uchiha ancestors. Why is that? Because it's their abilities that made them differ as their special traits. Senju's strong body and livability, uchiha's strong visual prowess. That explains why those 2 clans were known as the most fearsome since they were the first people, after the sage who got to have chakra.
My point is that the sage himself belonged to a clan which till that moment had as clan members mere humen. However what if by becoming the jinjuuriki of the 10 tails, got abilities which were traits only to him? We know for a fact that he was the only person to have the rinnegan so that makes him special right? What else do we know about him? We know that he survived the extraction of a tailed beast, the progenitor of them to be specific, we know that he knew some powerful sealings, we know that he was a monk who was seaking peace as well as that he had some powerful lifeforce. Aren't all these things undeniable facts so far?
Now I would like to make a comparison with another clan: the uzumaki clan. Apart from the rinnegan part, all the other traits I said aren't characteristics of the specific clan as well?
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Question, why did Kurama recognize sage's sealing at naruto and why the uzumaki mask in order to be activated needed to be in front of the uchiha tablet, a tablet which was written by the sage himself and why does his older son's dojutsu bears a great similarity to the uzumaki symbol and why does he sit in a throne with uzumamki's symbols?
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How can you explain that the first uchiha ancestor, a man from ootsutsuki clan, has uzumaki's symbol in his dojutsu, since according to you, uchiha and senju were the very first 2 clans with chakra and therefore uzumaki were non-existent but yet we see the very first sage's son having it in his dojutsu?
I think that you know where I'm getting with it.
As I stated before, clans that came when chakra started to appear were probably defined by their very special abilities. However, in sage's case, all clans were the same because they didn't have chakra they were just mere humen. However, the fact that the sage was the first person who was born with chakra as well as the fact that he became the first jin gave him special traits ( I support that the sage did get rinengan from the Juubi but that's not the subject here).
So my question to you is this: Why all the things we know about the sage, his sealing techiques, the capacity of living even after the extraction, him being a monk as well as what I said about his older son and about Kurama reconnaisance of Naruto's seal don't point towards the fact that the sage, that the very first person with chakra, who had in fact the traits of uzumaki, wasn't the uzumaki ancestor?
Explain me how the third person who ever had chakra, sage's older son got to have as dojutsu's symbol the uzumaki symbol something which according to you was not even existent back then.
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