i think there is link between uzumaki and SO6P or his son so i support his theory
and as well
ninjutsu and chakare are created by S06P
but still there was senjustu ie natural chakara before So6P like sage Toad
we know fact that natural chakara is like hindus or buddhism ,,yoga mode through which natural power is left os iit is being used in this manga
this sage toad must have taught "hagoramo " sage techinque before battle with ten tails and learning it he was able or capable to create self chakara ie ninjutsu hidden within himtself or every clan or people and start creating techinquesss.
it was said that SO6P was created of ninjustsu chakara
not natural chakra or energy ie like of ten tails(god trees) ,since natual energy is natural chakra that exits in natre ,ie harvest , other fruits ,water ,air , soil , minierals and finally life forece(ie to be able live also ) is due to energy.
so there must be sage before hm
and
uzumaki have strong lifeforce not strong chakra like of senzu.
strong life force means strong natural chakara in body and so
uzumaki are best to store large amount of natural chakra ie tails beasts so he must be link to uzumaki
and since uzumaki are peace loving , clan name may have been changed as the time passed to preserve d their identity during war era of sage.
but this time i hope they were clean swipe probably by madara before they could understandor hide.
u may ask why to change identity because S06p was the reason for ten tails and that must heve trigger some ancient destructing chakara like we watched in many movies of naruto ,so other clan thought outsutsuki clan as responsible and joined together to destroy this clan
since they had no power like of senzu and uchihha they might have fled and migrated changing their name
About clans: It's a point I had to put on the table so we could enstablish a nexus. There is a huge difference between Sage's Era Clans and Current: Current Clans have chakra and can use ninjutsu, ergo, they can be named shinobi clans.
Please, remember that the Uzumaki Clan Main feature is their "large Chakra Pool". This was not possible before the Sage's Birth. So before the Sage's Era, if there existed the Uzumaki Clan, I assure you, they were normal persons that didn't even have something to do with chakra... the sage was the first one to wield chakra from birth, after all.
About posts: Yes, indeed our posts are very alike.
About similarities between the Sage and the Uzumaki Clan: Yes yes, there are a lot of similarities. Even the fruit that the princess Kaguya ate, the source of chakra, had the Uzumaki spiral pattern. But this supports the theory of the sage being the ancestor of Uzumaki, so I agree.
But... there are other similarities between the sage and other clans as well, for example...
Doujutsu: Uchiha Clan
Lifeforce: Senju Clan
Birth with Chakra in body: Every clan
In other words, I assure you... if the Sage had brothers, he and his brothers are the source of all shinobis in the current time. The sage of six paths is slighty different due two things... he became the Juubi Jinchuuriki, and he created the Senju and the Uchiha clan. But that's all.
If we base the argument of similarities, I could even say that the Sage is Uchiha because he share traits with the Uchiha Clan. But the truth is that the Sage share similarities with a lot of special traits of all clans.
I appreciate this theory, its well thought out and your reasoning is good. However on a personal note I would like Naruto to become the hero because of his own merit, not because he is related to, or comes from the same clan as the sage.
It would be nice if the Uzumaki's and Senju's are related only by marriage, and that the Uzumaki's bare no blood relationship to the younger son.
Under my logic, all clans came from the Sage. If Uzumaki came to learn the Sage's knowledge, it's just natural because the Uzumaki clan was one among lot of clans that inherited something from the Sage.
If Kurama was able to recognize the technique or the seal, that is the result of knowledge, not bloodline. So I guess you're pointing the wrong spot with that question.
It's not a scroll the Sage is holding, those are his arms extending. The swirls don't represent Uzumaki, they are just regular swirls which display ancient carvings or drawings. Doesn't have to relate to uzumaki.
Sage isn't Uzumaki at all. He isn't even from the same clan.
Under my logic, all clans came from the Sage. If Uzumaki came to learn the Sage's knowledge, it's just natural because the Uzumaki clan was one among lot of clans that inherited something from the Sage.
If Kurama was able to recognize the technique or the seal, that is the result of knowledge, not bloodline. So I guess you're pointing the wrong spot with that question.
Not really I only pointed it out to make a connection between naruto and the and therefore witht the uzumaki but my belief of sage being an uzumaki derives from the fact that he has quite many similarities with the specific clan not only in terms of abilties but also because of their same philosophy (he was a monk, they were priests). So what I actually suggest is why does Kishimoto point always towards uzumaki and not anoter clan, let's to nara clan (an example) I used Kurama's reconaissance as direct link to this hypothetical relationship.
It's not a scroll the Sage is holding, those are his arms extending. The swirls don't represent Uzumaki, they are just regular swirls which display ancient carvings or drawings. Doesn't have to relate to uzumaki.
Sage isn't Uzumaki at all. He isn't even from the same clan.
Even if you don't agree with that then tell me why does he have so many similarities with the uzumaki in terms of abilities and philosophy as well as Kurama recognising Naruto's sealing, an uzumaki sealing as sage's one as well as the fact that his older son's dojutsu had uzumaki's spiralling symbol.
I appreciate this theory, its well thought out and your reasoning is good. However on a personal note I would like Naruto to become the hero because of his own merit, not because he is related to, or comes from the same clan as the sage.
It would be nice if the Uzumaki's and Senju's are related only by marriage, and that the Uzumaki's bare no blood relationship to the younger son.
Not really I only pointed it out to make a connection between naruto and the and therefore witht the uzumaki but my belief of sage being an uzumaki derives from the fact that he has quite many similarities with the specific clan not only in terms of abilties but also because of their same philosophy (he was a monk, they were priests). So what I actually suggest is why does Kishimoto point always towards uzumaki and not anoter clan, let's to nara clan (an example) I used Kurama's reconaissance as direct link to this hypothetical relationship.
I rather avoid having belief based on assumptions or similarities since they are not dogma. I have preference to be opened to a general possibility that can be refined.
I rather avoid having belief based on assumptions or similarities since they are not dogma. I have preference to be opened to a general possibility that can be refined.
Yeah ofc I don't try to force my opinion on you but rather state the possibilty that sage being uzumaki is still on the table. However it's funny how people used as "dogma", like you said the page where it says that senju and uchiha were two halves which combined they made the entity of the sage while that very chapter shows both of his sons and elder instead of having a mere sharingan, has what it looks like to be a dojutsu with the spirral pattern of uzumaki's symbol. Yet they overlook it as if it's nothing, not worth mentioning. Therefore, that very same chapter which has become the dogma of many people because the relevation of that relationship, is one of the most debatable chapters ever and yet most people ignore it.
Lol you took specifically this sole dojutsu thing but it's not the only thing I used to make the comparison. Reread my theory please.
I'll check it and thanks=D
Well what you said from what I said don't really differ except from the fact that I include in clan's meaning even the shinobi whereas you presented it as 2 complete different things, which I don't really they are but rather today's shinobi were a part of those clans back then. As for having more than 2 sons, I believe you're right and in fact I believe that he had specifically one more uzumaki son (since I support that he was uzumaki's clan ancestor after all). It's true that I don't have very strong evidence however don't you find suspicious the similarities the sage had with the uzumaki as a clan specifically both in terms of abilities and philosophy? And what about Kurama recognising Naruto's seal as Sage's? You didn't say a thing about that.
So from all my theory you just took that part and nullify everything else? Well then tell me how Kurama recognised naruto's seal, who was an uzumaki, as sage's one?
Well then I'm returning to my first point. How does the sage bear such a strong resemblance to uzumaki both in terms of abilities and philosophy since according to you uzumaki were non-existent at those days. Another question: If you what you say is correct then explain me how Kurama recognised Naruto's seal, an uzumaki's seal, as sage's one? If uzumaki much later how he himself used an uzumaki seal?
As a matter of fact I let go of son's dojutsu pattern far too easily. Tell me again, why on earth his dojutsu had that specific pattern and wasn't it a mere sharingan? Why from all the symbols it could have it had the specific one, which is almost identical to that of uzumaki's?
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Also, the fact that you say that only naruto has it still doens't change the fact that its symbol is exactly the same to that of uzumaki and the fact that Kurama recognised an uzumaki sealing as sage's sealing points only further to that direction.
So his name was revealed and it's Ootsutsuki Bagoromo.
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So according to this, Bagoromo was from Ootsutsuki clan, right? In this page, it is stated that Bagoromo was the first person who was born with chakra which leads to the conclusion that his clan, and every other clan, had as members mere humen till that moment, correct?
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I want to ask you a question: Based on what do we define each clan that came after sage? Based on its signature abilities such as Nara clan. Since Bagoromo had two sons, shouldn't they also have his name, the name of his clan which is Ootstsuki? However they're only known as senju and uchiha ancestors. Why is that? Because it's their abilities that made them differ as their special traits. Senju's strong body and livability, uchiha's strong visual prowess. That explains why those 2 clans were known as the most fearsome since they were the first people, after the sage who got to have chakra.
My point is that the sage himself belonged to a clan which till that moment had as clan members mere humen. However what if by becoming the jinjuuriki of the 10 tails, got abilities which were traits only to him? We know for a fact that he was the only person to have the rinnegan so that makes him special right? What else do we know about him? We know that he survived the extraction of a tailed beast, the progenitor of them to be specific, we know that he knew some powerful sealings, we know that he was a monk who was seaking peace as well as that he had some powerful lifeforce. Aren't all these things undeniable facts so far?
Now I would like to make a comparison with another clan: the uzumaki clan. Apart from the rinnegan part, all the other traits I said aren't characteristics of the specific clan as well?
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Question, why did Kurama recognize sage's sealing at naruto and why the uzumaki mask in order to be activated needed to be in front of the uchiha tablet, a tablet which was written by the sage himself and why does his older son's dojutsu bears a great similarity to the uzumaki symbol and why does he sit in a throne with uzumamki's symbols?
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How can you explain that the first uchiha ancestor, a man from ootsutsuki clan, has uzumaki's symbol in his dojutsu, since according to you, uchiha and senju were the very first 2 clans with chakra and therefore uzumaki were non-existent but yet we see the very first sage's son having it in his dojutsu?
I think that you know where I'm getting with it.
As I stated before, clans that came when chakra started to appear were probably defined by their very special abilities. However, in sage's case, all clans were the same because they didn't have chakra they were just mere humen. However, the fact that the sage was the first person who was born with chakra as well as the fact that he became the first jin gave him special traits ( I support that the sage did get rinengan from the Juubi but that's not the subject here).
So my question to you is this: Why all the things we know about the sage, his sealing techiques, the capacity of living even after the extraction, him being a monk as well as what I said about his older son and about Kurama reconnaisance of Naruto's seal don't point towards the fact that the sage, that the very first person with chakra, who had in fact the traits of uzumaki, wasn't the uzumaki ancestor?
Explain me how the third person who ever had chakra, sage's older son got to have as dojutsu's symbol the uzumaki symbol something which according to you was not even existent back then.
great i am totally agree with this but i want to add one thing more which is that sage was kept alive after extracting juubi from his body just like kushina and mito
great i am totally agree with this but i want to add one thing more which is that sage was kept alive after extracting juubi from his body just like kushina and mito
