I fully agree with Obito and Madara's Plan

I fully agree with Obito and Madara's Plan, do you?

  • Yes, there's no point in sticking in a cruel reality anyway

    Votes: 53 40.5%
  • No, reality is worth experiencing despite its hardships

    Votes: 78 59.5%

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Darth Uchiha

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The stated goal has nothing to do with the actual outcome of the jutsu.
How has the manga shown MT giving people everything that could make them happy?

Well, let's see, Hinata was with Naruto and Neji was alive, Dan was alive and hokage in Tsunade's dream and Jiraiya and Nawaki were alive too, Kiba was hokage in his dream, Shino found a new species of insect, Gaara was raised in a loving family and was always friends with Naruto, etc. see what I mean?
 

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Well, let's see, Hinata was with Naruto and Neji was alive, Dan was alive and hokage in Tsunade's dream and Jiraiya and Nawaki were alive too, Kiba was hokage in his dream, Shino found a new species of insect, Gaara was raised in a loving family and was always friends with Naruto, etc. see what I mean?
Yeah, but why do you believe that MT is giving these people everything that could ever make them happy?
 

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Yeah, but why do you believe that MT is giving these people everything that could ever make them happy?

Okay, so it's not everything (as far as we know) but they're happy nonetheless.
 

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Okay, so it's not everything (as far as we know) but they're happy nonetheless.
have you ever done illegal drugs or known someone who has? (serious question and i'm actually going somewhere with this)
 

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Maybe, but drugs are a depressant.
sure, but the point is that momentary, false happiness =/= real happiness.

The point is that, at first it might seem really awesome to live in a world in which everything happens in accordance to your own will or plan, however if you think about it, do you believe that that's real happiness and not just some false, temporary fix?

Do you have friends and family? if so, do you value/love them?
 

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sure, but the point is that momentary, false happiness =/= real happiness.

The point is that, at first it might seem really awesome to live in a world in which everything happens in accordance to your own will or plan, however if you think about it, do you believe that that's real happiness and not just some false, temporary fix?

Do you have friends and family? if so, do you value/love them?

Sure, I have family and friends, IT would give them paradise too, besides, if you're in IT for an eternity, it isn't temporary anymore.
 

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Sure, I have family and friends, IT would give them paradise too, besides, if you're in IT for an eternity, it isn't temporary anymore.
If you value your family and friends, yet have to spend an eternity without them, why do you believe that those family and friends who are denied an eternity without you and their other family and friends would be in 'paradise'?
 

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If you value your family and friends, yet have to spend an eternity without them, why do you believe that those family and friends who are denied an eternity without you and their other family and friends would be in 'paradise'?

I'd have an IT version of them, and they'd have an IT version of me, probably a better me anyway.
 

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If you value your family and friends, yet have to spend an eternity without them, why do you believe that those family and friends who are denied an eternity without you and their other family and friends would be in 'paradise'?

Your friends and family would be forever happy.
 

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Tell me. Would rather go blind or be in IT?
 

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I'd have an IT version of them, and they'd have an IT version of me, probably a better me anyway.
but that IT version of you wouldn't be you, nor would that IT version of them be them. Those IT version of them would simply be something that looked like them (not even perfectly unless you had full knowledge on how that person looked), yet ultimately would be completely controlled by your own will. So would every other 'person' in your MT world.

Plus, what does the bolded mean anyway? Who's better at you than being you? If there's a MT version of me, except i'm 1 inch taller or I like raisins instead of apples, then that's not really me. Not only that, but even if you wanted to, you would never be able to replicate someone in MT, as all you have to base your knowledge of a person is off of the finite encounters you've had with that person. You don't truly know how it feels to be them, what exactly goes through their mind when something happens, or answers to questions you've never asked them.

So I fail to see how you or your family would be in 'paradise' when each and every one of you are eternally in your own separate worlds interacting with images of your loved ones who aren't really your loved ones, who are ultimately completely controlled by you.

Tell me. Would rather go blind or be in IT?
obviously I'd rather be blind.

I may not be able to see the external world if i'm blind, but i'll at least be able to interact with it, my loved ones, family friends, other senient life forms, and know it's all real rather than be isolated from everyone and everything that could possibly be of any intrinsic value other than myself for all eternity.
 
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First off, I'm an atheist, second, that had close to nothing to do with what I actually said...

I don't care What you are. I didn't ask you. Also because of that tho you're. Blind from the truth. Go watch (God's not dead) ur perspective will change

Blind or IT... I'll be blind
 

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I don't care What you are. I didn't ask you. Also because of that tho you're. Blind from the truth. Go watch (God's not dead) ur perspective will change

Blind or IT... I'll be blind

Of course God isn't dead, I don't think he was ever real to begin with, btw, if I'm an atheist now, why do you think the Bible would change that? Heck, the bible is one of the reasons I am an atheist, but, anyway, that's off-topic, and I don't want to derail my own thread.
 

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Because of what in the Bible made you become unfaithful

And you can not derail What was never on track ... also you basically contradicted yourself... you said you never believed he was ever real but you said your now an atheist.. meaning you wasn't always this way.. What made you change.
 
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Because of what in the Bible made you become unfaithful

And you can not derail What was never on track

The point of the thread was the greatness of the Eye of the Moon Plan, you were about to start a religious debate.
 
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