I fully agree with Obito and Madara's Plan

I fully agree with Obito and Madara's Plan, do you?

  • Yes, there's no point in sticking in a cruel reality anyway

    Votes: 53 40.5%
  • No, reality is worth experiencing despite its hardships

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How does one hijack a plan they created themselves?
OT: In the end, I don't think I am. The dream sequence and peace are great, but the cost is too high. Giving up absolutely everything for false happiness.
 

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Ok first of all I've hear about America budding into a lot of domestic issues involving larger and smaller countries but I've never heard of America attempting to force a country to become a full fledged domocracy or practice capitalism for that matter... I never said citizens initiate wars but there are a lot of people in the world who will resort to conflict when they don't accept the views and practices of others. Are royal families and politicians not people as well?

Now I don't have any recollection of Europe forcing Christianity on people. Last I remember one of the reasons the colonist sought independence from Britain is so that they could practice Christianity. However even if what you said about Europe imposing Christianity on other nations is true it just goes a long with my point. Wars are caused because of disputes. I would also like to know when a Christian has started a war?

Um...first off, slaves were forced into Christianity. Second, the Crusades were all about one side trying to spread Christianity while the other tried to spread Islam. Third, the Inquisitions were all about people being killed for not being Christian or the right type of Christian. Fourth, when the Spanish began conquering the Americas, they forced the natives into Christianity. And, in regards to that bit about America not forcing democracy on other people, ever heard of the Cold War? In fact, where were you during the Iraq War, surely you had been born at that point.
 
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How does one hijack a plan they created themselves?
OT: In the end, I don't think I am. The dream sequence and peace are great, but the cost is too high. Giving up absolutely everything for false happiness.

A lot of people do that in our world anyway, except they don't get to die happy, they usually die miserable and ruined.
 

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The Crusades, if I'm not mistaken.

The war wasn't caused by Christianity itself it's like I've been saying this whole time people wanting to force people to see things there way or take what doesn't belong to them.
 

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A lot of people do that in our world anyway, except they don't get to die happy, they usually die miserable and ruined.

They don't literally give up everything. IT forsakes the future, halts humanity's progress, destroys the world.
 

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The war wasn't caused by Christianity itself it's like I've been saying this whole time people wanting to force people to see things there way or take what doesn't belong to them.

If you want to play it that way, there is no cause for war whatsoever, people just fight them because they feel like it, is that better? Of course, that proves me right.
 

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The war wasn't caused by Christianity itself it's like I've been saying this whole time people wanting to force people to see things there way or take what doesn't belong to them.

It was largely based on religion. Watch the History Channel documentary on the First Crusade. It's interesting.

And the Spanish Inquisition like the OP said. Oh, boy. That was not the best from Christianity. Torturing and execution of supposed "heretics."
 

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If you want to play it that way, there is no cause for war whatsoever, people just fight them because they feel like it, is that better? Of course, that proves me right.

No war is caused by DISPUTES over money religion and resources not those things in themselves.
 

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No war is caused by DISPUTES over money religion and resources not those things in themselves.

Okay, you still didn't respond to the point about the Inquisitions, or the thing about slaves I mentioned...
 

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No war is caused by DISPUTES over money religion and resources not those things in themselves.

Also, then, my point stands, if everyone has what they want there won't be disputes, which means, no war either.
 

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A lot of people do that in our world anyway, except they don't get to die happy, they usually die miserable and ruined.

But they are happy to be death than live in misery

Because that suicide is happen in our world

After you are death you don't feel anything anymore

pain is gone forever

They will not carrying their miserable death from actual world
 

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But they are happy to be death than live in misery

Because that suicide is happen in our world

After you are death you don't feel anything anymore

pain is gone forever

They will not carrying their miserable death from actual world

Any proof to support this? I'm guessing no.
 

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But they are happy to be death than live in misery

Because that suicide is happen in our world

After you are death you don't feel anything anymore

pain is gone forever

They will not carrying their miserable death from actual world

...You know, that really just drives my point home.
 

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It was largely based on religion. Watch the History Channel documentary on the First Crusade. It's interesting.

And the Spanish Inquisition like the OP said. Oh, boy. That was not the best from Christianity. Torturing and execution of supposed "heretics."

Christianity does not cause wars. People who want force their beliefs on others cause disputes and they start wars because of the.

Saying Christianity itself causes wars is like saying slaves caused the civil war. The civil war was partially caused by a DISPUTE within a split nation over the abolishment of slavery.
 

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Christianity does not cause wars. People who want force their beliefs on others cause disputes and they start wars because of the.

Saying Christianity itself causes wars is like saying slaves caused the civil war. The civil war was partially caused by a DISPUTE within a split nation over the abolishment of slavery.

Ahhh, I see what you're trying to say. Yes, you're right. Religion itself doesn't spark wars. People use religion as a justification to start it.
 
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