I fully agree with Obito and Madara's Plan

[Darth Uchiha]

Infinite tsukomonomi is ending life not ending war. Is war an issue yes... But what causes war? Conflict rather it be religious economic or agricultural it's still conflict. The problem lies in doing things and taking things by force... Point of this? LET PEOPLE DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THEYRE GOING TO DO. If America where to force democracy on other countries and they objected would there be war???? YES! That's the point. The leaders of other countries would rather have dictator ship and communism and the people of those countries protest for their freedom, then what happens? The leader of that country commands it's military to start slaughtering his own people until they submit. How would we avoid this? It's simple... Let people decide for themselves! Stop trying to take what everyone else's got and fall back. America forcing democracy on these countries will certainly cause war that's why using armed conflict to end armed conflict is so flawed. That's basically what Madara did with his plan. Not only was he trying I use war to end war but in the process he ends the cycle of life. I'm a Christian and I believe in the father son and Holy Ghost as my lord... Do I force my beliefs on everyone else regardless if I think they're wrong or right? NO. Even though because I BELIVE in Christianity I know they are wrong it will still do me or them no good to force them into being Christian because not only will it cause conflict, but if I have to force them thy never really believed in the first place! The point is you're trying to say Madaras plan is the absolute right way to go. If you feel that way you've absolutely lost touch with reality.

You just proved my point. When people decide things for themselves, wars start, people die, families are lost, and everyone suffers, the point being people do not know what is best for them.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Thanks, a part of the reason of the thread was my depression, I'll check it out, if I have the time.

It's really, really short. 26 episodes and then one movie that is sort of a replacement of the last 2 episodes. It's pretty weird though, at least it was to me. But Naruto is the only other anime I've ever watched, so maybe it's not that odd if you've watched more than just Naruto haha. Anyway it's the message that matters.

 

[hokagenaruto1]

Then, I'd imagine, your dram would perfectly mimic your life, thereby negating the issue.

Woah, woah, woah. You're also forgetting a big part of this. All the Jinchuriki who have had to die to have this jutsu take effect. Do you think they wanted to die. This is not what's best especially when you talk about the fact that innocent people have to die so that other people can enjoy fake happiness. The jutsu is full of flaws. Naruto didn't accept IT for two reasons. 1. He didn't want to dream about attaining peace but he actually wanted real peace. 2. He didn't want to FORFEIT his life. Who would? This jutsu is not practical at all.

 

[The Masked Sage]

I'm aware, and clearly I'm speaking as if you're about to cast it to give you my full take on it. Calm down buddy. Lol

If I were to cast it lol, you could not escape. In the end you will understand that life is hell.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Woah, woah, woah. You're also forgetting a big part of this. All the Jinchuriki who have had to die to have this jutsu take effect. Do you think they wanted to die. This is not what's best especially when you talk about the fact that innocent people have to die so that other people can enjoy fake happiness. The jutsu is full of flaws. Naruto didn't accept IT for two reasons. 1. He didn't want to dream about attaining peace but he actually wanted real peace. 2. He didn't want to FORFEIT his life. Who would? This jutsu is not practical at all.

Well, being as it's shown that only a piece of 8 and 9 tails chakra was needed, I'd imagine he jinchuriki don't really need to die for it, that was just Obito and Nagato going overboard.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Slavery is legal in the Narutoverse. Look at the Hyuuga clan. Why are people defending this shit hole?

 

[Sageof7Path]

You just proved my point. When people decide things for themselves, wars start, people die, families are lost, and everyone suffers, the point being people do not know what is best for them.

LOL You ignored the entire post... No that's not what starts wars. When people try to dictate others and take what other people have it creates conflict. Name one war that was started over allowing people to chose for themselves and don't say the civil war because that was caused by two opposing forces who wanted to force their stance on slavery on one another.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

LOL You ignored the entire post... No that's not what starts wars. When people try to dictate others and take what other people have it creates conflict. Name one war that was started over allowing people to chose for themselves and don't say the civil war because that was caused by two opposing forces who wanted to force their stance on slavery on one another.

All wars start because of things people choose for themselves, because people disagree with other people. In IT, there'd be no one to disagree with you, unless you wanted that.

 

[Ageha Jaeger]

If I were to cast it lol, you could not escape. In the end you will understand that life is hell.

I know, it is hell, but it's our own faults. We made this hell. Will it ever be possible to rid ourselves of all of our problems? Probably not. But that's what it means to live, to experience joy, pain and sorrow. It's just how it is mate.

 

[Ansatsuken]

In a dream you dot have to follow what other people tell you to do, you can do whatever you want because there's no one to order you around, reality is almost the exact opposite in that sense.

Do you ever dream

Do you feel full when you eating in your dream

Do you feel the money is easy to grasp

Do you feel satisfied of everything in your dream

Do you really think in the dream don't have it own conflict

Do you not think in the dream you also can feel hurt

Do you think in the dream accident still can happen and it able to kill you, that way people will wake up/came to consciousness immediately if that kind of dream happen

There are many nore

It actually is plain existence of its own

I called it spirit realm. Actually your spirit is out from your body an enter spirit realm

And it exist in our universe. Same also to Naruto world. It actually not occur in the mind but our real spirit body

Yeah you are looking at peoples like they are sleeping but their spirit is actually leaving their body if they are dreaming

But there are still a connection between real body to spirit body

Because that peoples still alive even they are dreaming.

Dreaming is called as temporary dead

 

[Darth Uchiha]

I know, it is hell, but it's our own faults. We made this hell. Will it ever be possible to rid ourselves of all of our problems? Probably not. But that's what it means to live, to experience joy, pain and sorrow. It's just how it is mate.

Why experience pain and sorrow, what does it solve, what, to prove a point?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Do you ever dream

Do you feel full when you eating in your dream

Do you feel the money is easy to grasp

Do you feel satisfied of everything in your dream

Do you really think in the dream don't have it own conflict

Do you not think in the dream you also can feel hurt

Do you think in the dream accident still can happen and it able to kill you, that way people will wake up/came to consciousness immediately if that kind of dream happen

There are many nore

It actually is plain existence of its own

I called it spirit realm. Actually your spirit is out from your body an enter spirit realm

And it exist in our universe. Same also to Naruto world. It actually not occur in the mind but our real spirit body

Yeah you are looking at peoples sleep but their spirit is leaving their body

But there are still a connection between real body to spirit body

Because that peoples still alive even they are dreaming.

Dreaming is called as temporary dead

Um...first, sleep and death are two separate things, second dreaming isn't spiritual, it is caused by brain activity, third I'm an atheist anyway.

 

[Sageof7Path]

All wars start because of things people choose for themselves, because people disagree with other people. In IT, there'd be no one to disagree with you, unless you wanted that.

No people will disagree that's another aspect of life you refuse to accept lol. The problem comes in when people don't except those disagreements and try to use are conflict as a means to make people see things their way. Kind of like how Madara caused all this suffering to force people into something that they wanted no part off.

 

[Ageha Jaeger]

Why experience pain and sorrow, what does it solve, what, to prove a point?

If you never experience pain and sorrow, then how could you ever come to appreciate the good times in life? Through pain we grow as human beings. We realize what's truly important, and that's to enjoy ourselves while we're still here. Trying to live in an illusionary world is just running away from the responsibilities that come with living.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

The Narutoverse is African third world country bad. If not worse.

-Child soldiers.

-Killing or shunning people from being different(Haku and the jins)

-Slavery is legal(Hyuuga clan)

-Bloody Mist

-Murder religions(Hidan)

-Blood thirsty clans(Kaguya clan)

-People dying from disease(Kimmario)

-Constant wars

-Giant monsters that can destroy mountains

Most people would probably go back into IT. I would.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

If you never experience pain and sorrow, then how could you ever come to appreciate the good times in life? Through pain we grow as human beings. We realize what's truly important, and that's to enjoy ourselves while we're still here. Trying to live in an illusionary world is just running away from the responsibilities that come with living.

The pain and sorrow thing comes from the perspective of someone who experiences happiness, what about a person that is incapable, they don't feel happiness, ever. Why should they accept that their life will always be hell, the illusion would be better.

Edit: Btw, who's that in your sig?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Um...first, sleep and death are two separate things, second dreaming isn't spiritual, it is caused by brain activity, third I'm an atheist anyway.

That is your problem

The astral body is connected to your physical body through the mind

Because that when scientist observe people dreaming they able to see brain working

It is because what actually our astral body doing is recorded in physical body by mind

astral body work at speed of light, to fast

Because that when we awake, the dream world vanish altogether

You must understand that scentist unable to observe supernatural thing how hard they tried

that is their drawback

 

[jimbobbity]

If you never experience pain and sorrow, then how could you ever come to appreciate the good times in life? Through pain we grow as human beings. We realize what's truly important, and that's to enjoy ourselves while we're still here. Trying to live in an illusionary world is just running away from the responsibilities that come with living.

What if your life has very few actual good moments in it. What if the only world you know is pain and hatred cos the people around are constantly fighting with each other and causing a strife like what is going on in Korea and India and other places like it? Do we simply only see things from our points of view and selfishly seek the reality that we crave, while others have no chance of ever getting it?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

That is your problem

The astral body is connected to your physical body through the mind

Because that when scientist observe people dreaming they able to see brain working

It is because what actually our astral body doing is recorded in physical body by mind

astral body work at speed of light, to fast

Because that when we awake, the dream world vanish altogether

You must understand that scentist unable to observe supernatural thing how hard they tried

that is their drawback

People don think at the speed of light.

 

[KilluaZoldyck]

Going through an existential crisis?

Life can be arduous. If you look at it closely, it's a perpetual cycle. All your efforts may seem fruitless in the end, because what does it amount to? Everybody's life ends the same. But at the same time, it's what you make of life that determines whether you can find purpose or happiness. The individual is the key. IT strips away the free will of the person. Wouldn't you be discontent that, yes you are living in a world that mimics your desires, but that it wasn't the product of your efforts? I mean, free will is also a questionable thing but I think most would be happier striving for their dreams than settling for an illusion. I think there's no fulfillment in a lie.

But then again, even in the real world you see people devoted to the phrase "ignorance is bliss." I don't know. I don't think you should let life wear you down. We should always endeavor to attain the real thing.

P.S. If you're suffering from depression, you should seek help. Depression is debilitating and takes a toll on your life, trust me. It's especially dangerous when it affects the male gender.