[HT] Edo Itachi vs. Edo Minato

[Apêx1]

Rasengan? lolololo

Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan Itachi with Yata no Kagami at this level will easily deflect or repel Minato's arsenal(including Bijūdama).

Minato's major problem rely on the fact Yata no Kagami has no physical form(making any attempt to destroy it useless, while deflecting his attack back at him).​

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Are you trying to imply all MS and EMS users have Yata? Lol

 

[Apêx1]

I'm just curious as to why you believe Yata can repel all attacks, or all of Minato's attacks. Don't complain about people not agreeing that Yata blocks all attacks when you yourself can't even come up with a real argument as to why you believe it blocks what you believe it blocks. :lol The irony kills me.

Even if Yata cannot repel all of TBB's energy, it is metaphysical so it cannot be destroyed. Its reflective capabilities would be superior to v4 Susano's, otherwise v4 Susano would not wield it. So even if TBB's energy is too much to reflect it still reduces it enough for the Susano behind it to tank it given it's above v4.

 

[NarutoX28]

Assuming his PS is on EMS Sasuke's level, it should be able to tank most Bijuudamas from BM Minato anyways.

 

[Brooks]

Are you trying to imply all MS and EMS users have Yata? Lol

No, I'm referring to the method of deflecting or repelling an attack(such as Madara's Uchihagaeshi).​

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[Apêx1]

No, I'm referring to the method of deflecting or repelling an attack(such as Madara's Uchihagaeshi).​

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Alright, was about to say that Sasuke's shield was his arrow.

 

[KidGamer65]

The Uchiha's brain is saturated with Inton energy. Based on it's properties and in this context it can be utilized by the Sharingan via the optic nerve to project an illusionary image (Genjutsu) or forms created from nothingness such as Amaterasu and Susano'o. ​

As the skilled Inton user Gengetsu explained the form which is created has no connection to the physical world; it's intangible. Susano'o follows the same pattern however it becomes tangible by utilizing the energy which gives physical life and vitality to a form; Yōton, from within the users body.


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The bold is an assumption. So is the underlined. The main assertion is an assumption, and the supporting evidence (Susanoo is tangible because of Yoton despite it supposedly being Inton) is based on literally nothing at all.

1. The Uchiha inherited Inton. Doesn't mean that all Sharingan techniques are of the Inton. Where is Amaterasu stated to be related to Yin Release? Last time I checked, DB stated Amaterasu to be Katon and nothing more. What's even worse for your argument is that if it really was Inton, then why would it be able to be touched?

2. Where is Susanoo stated or shown to be Inton? The chakra in the head presumably being Yin Release=/=Susanoo also being Inton.

3. Where is it shown or implied that Yoton is a factor in Susanoo's creation? Nowhere. At least not in this Manga or any of the 2 databooks Susanoo has been featured in. Even more of a reach considering Yoton isn't even the Uchiha's predominant element.

Even if Yata cannot repel all of TBB's energy, it is metaphysical so it cannot be destroyed. Its reflective capabilities would be superior to v4 Susano's, otherwise v4 Susano would not wield it. So even if TBB's energy is too much to reflect it still reduces it enough for the Susano behind it to tank it given it's above v4.

How does above V4 translate to it soaking up most of the Flash BD's power so that V4 can tank? :lol

 

[Apêx1]

How does above V4 translate to it soaking up most of the Flash BD's power so that V4 can tank? :lol

Because its reflecting the TBB energy against the opposing TBB energy to nullify it. The rest gets tanked by v4 Susano assuming you don't think the Yata would be enough given its hype and it being metaphysical.

 

[Lariatoo]

Man...
The poll is tight... Lol

 

[Narutimate Storm]

Man...
The poll is tight... Lol

I be wondering all this time how why the poll is tight when bm minato stomp itachi. Did not read the condition that this "ems itachi" lol

 

[madvictory]

Edo Itachi wins. They can't damage each other, however, Itachi could eventually lock him in Tsukuyomi.

 

[Waltz]

The bold is an assumption. So is the underlined. The main assertion is an assumption, and the supporting evidence (Susanoo is tangible because of Yoton despite it supposedly being Inton) is based on literally nothing at all.

1. The Uchiha inherited Inton. Doesn't mean that all Sharingan techniques are of the Inton. Where is Amaterasu stated to be related to Yin Release? Last time I checked, DB stated Amaterasu to be Katon and nothing more. What's even worse for your argument is that if it really was Inton, then why would it be able to be touched?

2. Where is Susanoo stated or shown to be Inton? The chakra in the head presumably being Yin Release=/=Susanoo also being Inton.

3. Where is it shown or implied that Yoton is a factor in Susanoo's creation? Nowhere. At least not in this Manga or any of the 2 databooks Susanoo has been featured in. Even more of a reach considering Yoton isn't even the Uchiha's predominant element.

The common sense of it is that if Amaterasu was simply a Katon Jutsu then any Shinobi who's mastered the nature transformation would be able to execute Amaterasu however that is not the case as it is limited to only Mangekyo users. The Databook aligns it with Katon because it has the properties of fire but Amaterasu is not simply Katon as it even burns fire. It is Katon + Inton because it is a type of fire created and projected from the Mangekyo Sharingan that appears from and withers away into nothingness. Any Jutsu originated from the Uchiha's Douryoku is directly interlinked with the spiritual energy that govern's imagination that may be used to create a form out of nothingness (Inton; which is also the foundation energy of Yin-Release) as that was their inheritance from Hagoromo.

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The Sharingan is both produced and is able to produce via accessing this unique energy from chakra sprouts in the brain via the Optic nerve [

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]. Genjutsu is primarily a Yin-release technique (grounded on Inton) because it in projects an illusionary image formed from nothingness. Susano'o is also grounded on Inton as it is a spirit formed from nothingness by the Mangekyo:

The materialized chakra shapes itself after the wargod's commanding face and powerful physique, and the fierce spirit won't subside until the destruction of all the enemies in its line of sight...!!

And gains form (Yōton: can be used to breath life into a form) via the physical energy taken from the user (Yōton: the physical energy that governs vitality)

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-Only those who have carried mastery of Mangekyou Sharingan - the doujutsu feared by those around it as the strongest - to its extremes will come onto the god's territory. A guardian deity to its caster, it eats away their life at the same time.

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[KidGamer65]

The common sense of it is that if Amaterasu was simply a Katon Jutsu then any Shinobi who's mastered the nature transformation would be able to execute Amaterasu however that is not the case as it is limited to only Mangekyo users. The Databook aligns it with Katon because it has the properties of fire but Amaterasu is not simply Katon as it even burns fire. It is Katon + Inton because it is a type of fire created and projected from the Mangekyo Sharingan that appears from and withers away into nothingness. Any Jutsu originated from the Uchiha's Douryoku is directly interlinked with the spiritual energy that govern's imagination that may be used to create a form out of nothingness (Inton; which is also the foundation energy of Yin-Release) as that was their inheritance from Hagoromo.

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The Sharingan is both produced and is able to produce via accessing this unique energy from chakra sprouts in the brain via the Optic nerve [

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]. Genjutsu is primarily a Yin-release technique (grounded on Inton) because it in projects an illusionary image formed from nothingness. Susano'o is also grounded on Inton as it is a spirit formed from nothingness by the Mangekyo:



And gains form (Yōton: can be used to breath life into a form) via the physical energy taken from the user (Yōton: the physical energy that governs vitality)








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It's limited to Mangekyo users because it's a Mangekyo technique. Has nothing to do with Inton. Databook gave the "Katon" element to Amaterasu and all related techniques. Mastering the Katon element doesn't mean that you can use every single Katon technique. The rest are assumptions and you picking apart flavorful text, taking it in a literal way, and attempting to form an argument like you have solid proof. If Susanoo and Amaterasu or all Mangekyo techniques were Yin Release, 99% sure DB would've listed at least one of them as Yin Release instead of just listing the Genjutsu techniques of the Sharingan as Yin Release. The chakra in the brain causes the Sharingan to be awakened, but that's it from what the Manga has shown us. Since when did the techniques have anything to do with that chakra's direct usage?

-Susanoo is a manifestation of the user's chakra. When DB says "spirit" they are obviously using some kind of metaphor. Susanoo is not a literal spirit. Not to mention it's formed from chakra, not from nothingness. Not anything close to Genjutsu or the like.

-How does Susanoo taking a heavy toll on the user's stamina translate to Yoton being used to give it form? You're reaching.

 

[Apêx1]

Refer to this (

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), where it confirms all Genjutsu is largely Yin even when not used by the Sharingan. Note the even part, which suggests that the Sharingan's Genjutsu is using far more Yin. You can also interpret this scan suggesting Susano is also Yin since his Genjutsu is [

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] (makes sense too since Yin is "creating form from nothingness", that is exactly what he is doing).

 

[Waltz]

It's limited to Mangekyo users because it's a Mangekyo technique.Has nothing to do with Inton. Databook gave the "Katon" element to Amaterasu and all related techniques. Mastering the Katon element doesn't mean that you can use every single Katon technique..

Then KG, I'd like to hear your response to this question: What effect would you say the Mangekyo arises in Amatearsu that makes it entirely different from any other Katon Jutsu? ​

The rest are assumptions and you picking apart flavorful text, taking it in a literal way, and attempting to form an argument like you have solid proof.

Erm..you mean Deductive reasoning? ​

If Susanoo and Amaterasu or all Mangekyo techniques were Yin Release, 99% sure DB would've listed at least one of them as Yin Release instead of just listing the Genjutsu techniques of the Sharingan as Yin Release.

I think that would be because Genjutsu is the only Mangekyo technique that's 100% Inton. Unlike Genjutsu; Susano'o and Amaterasu when completed take some physical-tangible form.​

The chakra in the brain causes the Sharingan to be awakened, but that's it from what the Manga has shown us. Since when did the techniques have anything to do with that chakra's direct usage?

Because the Sharingan is activated and fueled by this unique energy which is released within the Uchiha's brain via the Optic nerve because it react's when contact is made with the Energy.

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Susanoo is a manifestation of the user's chakra.

And Chakra is comprised of the molding of Physical and Spiritual energy. ​

When DB says "spirit" they are obviously using some kind of metaphor. Susanoo is not a literal spirit.

The Databook says Susano'o is a Spirit (which is mythologically correct [

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Yeah.. Waltz doesn't care about personal belief's. ​

How does Susanoo taking a heavy toll on the user's stamina translate to Yoton being used to give it form? You're reaching.

Reaching? Um..Stamina = Whipped Spiritual (Inton) energy and Physical (Yōton) Energy.

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[NarutoX28]

Mangekyo Sharingan is a reflection of a more potent Spiritual Energy awakened as Waltz has proven, so I certainly have to agree with him here.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Yata deflects TBB back to Minato's face in which case Totsuka blitz occurs. I'll give this a low-mid diff because I am a nice guy.

Lol @ edo itachi blitzing a edo (infinite stamina and chakra) bm minato

 

[NarutoX28]

Lol @ edo itachi blitzing a edo (infinite stamina and chakra) bm minato

If TBB is deflected right in Minato's face, then a blitz is more likely to occur as Minato is struggling to recover from it.

 

[Brooks]

Lol @ edo itachi blitzing a edo (infinite stamina and chakra) bm minato

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[NarutoX28]

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Yeah, it's pretty clear Edo's Chakra have to replenish continuously. It's not literally infinite.

Furthermore, Minato's enhanced prowess does have a limit seeing as how Yin Kurama is a live entity meaning his chakras will eventually deplete and require time to replenish. This time limit could be below Naruto's 8 minute time limit seeing as how Naruto was considered to resonate more with Kurama than Minato did whereas Edo Itachi can maintain Perfect Susano'o for a far greater amount of time. If Minato can't subdue Itachi within that small duration, he's pretty much done.

 

[solorflare99]

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yet the man is covered in chakra

I know it's not your fault, Kishi is just ridiculous sometimes.

Also if it means anything, I agree with claim that Susanoo is Yin release. It's like Izanagi. The way I see, it's yin release and yang release working together create a jutsu, but it isn't Yin-Yang release.