How can ppl not agree Kabuto>Itachi?

[Shirohebi]

My dear ladies: for those of you who still argue Kabuto could ever beat Itachi, please read the manga again. And for those of you too lazy to do this, here's a resume:
I,agine a lovely, cozy cave, and Itachi rapin' Kabuto.Thank you

 

[nightfury028]

Itachi will win. Who knows maybe He has another trick on his sleeve. like inazami. . maybe he has another one.

 

[FizzyDrink]

Ok, so I kinda want to put things in perspective...

People arguing for Kabuto are basically using Manga facts to prove that if Itachi were fighting Kabuto, he would lose.

People who are arguing for Kabuto use manga facts to prove that Kabuto can avoid all of Itachi's attacks and also that he has a way to hit Itachi when Itachi has no way to hit him.

People who are arguing for Itachi are pathetically saying "Totsuka!!" when it has already been proven that Kabuto's sensing and speed would allow him to dodge it.

People who are arguing for Itachi are saying "he can break out of the sound genjutsu!" when he never did not showed any way to do so (he cannot cause himself pain like Shikamaru, because Shika can control shadows independently of his ability to move. Itachi cannot do something similar).

People for Itachi are saying "did you read the manga!" like a bunch of sad, childish, ignorant people. Yes, we read the manga. And what we gleamed was the truth. What we saw was a 2 vs 1, where Itachi was, oh, how do I put it...immortal. Sure they weren't trying to kill Kabuto. Kabuto wasn't trying to kill Sasuke, and he COULDN'T kill Itachi. In the end, the battle was incredibly situational. What Kabuto supporters are saying is that in a FAIR battle, where Itachi can actually DIE, he would.

And finally, people say "oh, Itachi always has a new jutsu to use" like the ignorant people they are.


I think I'll stick with facts rather than assumptions and plain ignorance.

What's a fact? Kabuto has heightened reflexes and speed, and he was able to dodge Sasuke's Susanoo arrow which was aimed to kill. Knowing this, we know that Kabuto can dodge the sword of Totsuka (speed of sword thrust < speed of arrow).

What's another fact? Kabuto's oral rebirth allows him to escape his old body in case it gets amaterasu'd.

What's another fact? Kabuto uses a gen-jutsu repellent film over his eye, only Izanami would work.

Then, how does Izanami work? Izanami requires the repition of a sensation between the two fighting parties where both are directly involved. That in of itself is difficult. If Itachi allows Kabuto that close, Kabuto can kill him. In their battle, it took Itachi being stabbed twice through the stomach to activate the genjutsu. He wouldn't survive the same scenario. So the "fact" is that Itachi has very little possibility to actually USE Izanami.

And FINALLY the fact is that this is not even including that. Kabuto has Edo tensei, which means.....

Kabuto crushes Itachi no contest.

 

[Whalelord]

I see you fell for the trick to look at this part carefully my friend showed me this one.


The 1st page Itachi say's "it's already prepared" then in the end of the chapter it say's the "kinjutsu has been released"

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Sasuke pics up his sword then next page puts in back into it's holder.

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Now here comes the tricky part this is the panel were itachi quote on quote said he's gonna active izanami .

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Sasuke throws the sword to itachi but kabuto catches it instead but hold on why is itachi left eye pupil white ??? So if that's the case then izanami was already activated if ?

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So case in be if the place were itachi said he'd activated izanami was really the place then sasuke was suppose to have the sword if it was really activated there ,if not then kabuto was suppose to be one one holding the sword because he caught it later am i not right ?

So why is sasuke sword sticked into the floor right there ?

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So if itachi left eye pupil was white at the time right here

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Then itachi gets the coloring back in his eye so that mean izanami was used in case but kabuto has the sword leading back to the other point izanami was already use meaning sasuke was suppose to have his sword how'd it get on the ground right there so can you tell me where izanami is activated ?

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Just to break it down in simple terms how did sasuke sword get there not when izanami instead of telling me izanami was activated ? not trying to confuse you lol


Meaning he ko'd him from the start itachi said he used it in him since the begninng none of that battling really happened

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[Michael]

I seriously don't understand how people can say that a non-edo itachi can beat Kabuto in a 1v1 fight. Kabuto is basically custom built to beat Itachi. Look at it this way.

Amaterasu? Kabuto uses oral rebirth and continues on

Fire/ Water release? Fire release is countered by kabuto's own water release, whilst water the water release Itachi has shown don't really pose any real threat.

Tsukuyomi/ Genjutsu? Completely useless because kabuto closes his eyes.

Sword of Totsuka? Sage mode sensing/dodging renders this useless. If he dodged amaterasu arrow he is dodging the sword. Even on the off chance he does get hit, he can liquify thanks to suigetsu's DNA.

Susanoo? Kabuto has at least 3 counters. White rage to make Itachi drop it and be paralysed. Sound genjutsu from Tayaya, which he can't get out of without assistance. Bone forest from Kimi to erupt underneat susano'o.

Izanami? Itachi literally said it himself that Izanami can't be used in battle situations. The only reason Itachi pulled it off was because he was Edo, and even then he died twice to set it off.

So quite obviously, Kabuto takes this. Kabuto counters anything itachi has, he is faster than itachi, he is much stronger than itachi, his attacks can easily overcome susano'o. He can easily makes amaterasu and genjutsu useless and is superior in taijutsu thanks to suigetsu's liquefaction techniques. His stamina is unlimited thanks to sage mode whilst Itachi has stamina problems. I haven't even mentioned Kabuto's summons since he doesn't really need them.

He is ahead in ninjutsu, taijutsu, even genjutsu (since Itachi's are useless), speed, strength and stamina all by a good margin in this match, and is either higher or equal in intellect. Itachi loses in a proper fight every time. Also if someone seriously says "Itachi wasn't trying to kill Kabuto" think about this - Kabuto was also not aiming to kill since he had to make sure not to kill Sasuke.

If you somehow think different explain properly, no fanboy crap.

Thank you! about time we put these itachi fanboys in their place LoL +Rep

 

[nickuchiha25]

Was Kabuto trying to kill Sasuke? No his aim was to capture him, therefore he couldn't use anything on a scale that would kill Sasuke.....therefore he had to hold back.

nope he wanted to kill him to make him an edo. and you are obviously a fanboy, but i am also an uchiha fanboy so no point starting a flame war

 

[Simple Math]

i agree but watch out for Logic

 

[shogun973]

when has itachi ever been hit?
he would stab the shit outta kabuto, theres no counter for that

people tend to forget this was in a battle environment chosen by kabuto for this reason...h

no fanboy here, but kabuto told itachi if he kills him edo will go on forever because he did not want to be killed........theres a reason he was trying to get sasuke to help

just saying

 

[shogun973]

I see you fell for the trick to look at this part carefully my friend showed me this one.


The 1st page Itachi say's "it's already prepared" then in the end of the chapter it say's the "kinjutsu has been released"

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Sasuke pics up his sword then next page puts in back into it's holder.

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Now here comes the tricky part this is the panel were itachi quote on quote said he's gonna active izanami .

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Sasuke throws the sword to itachi but kabuto catches it instead but hold on why is itachi left eye pupil white ??? So if that's the case then izanami was already activated if ?

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So case in be if the place were itachi said he'd activated izanami was really the place then sasuke was suppose to have the sword if it was really activated there ,if not then kabuto was suppose to be one one holding the sword because he caught it later am i not right ?

So why is sasuke sword sticked into the floor right there ?

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So if itachi left eye pupil was white at the time right here

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Then itachi gets the coloring back in his eye so that mean izanami was used in case but kabuto has the sword leading back to the other point izanami was already use meaning sasuke was suppose to have his sword how'd it get on the ground right there so can you tell me where izanami is activated ?

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Just to break it down in simple terms how did sasuke sword get there not when izanami instead of telling me izanami was activated ? not trying to confuse you lol


Meaning he ko'd him from the start itachi said he used it in him since the begninng none of that battling really happened

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thank you i was gonna post this, that battle was over form the beginning,

 

[Rike Senju]

Lol hardcore fanboys are just mindless its obvious DSM kabuto can whoop itachi with Edo tensei he destroys itachi.

 

[serpiente clan]

Ok, so I kinda want to put things in perspective...

People arguing for Kabuto are basically using Manga facts to prove that if Itachi were fighting Kabuto, he would lose.

People who are arguing for Kabuto use manga facts to prove that Kabuto can avoid all of Itachi's attacks and also that he has a way to hit Itachi when Itachi has no way to hit him.

People who are arguing for Itachi are pathetically saying "Totsuka!!" when it has already been proven that Kabuto's sensing and speed would allow him to dodge it.

People who are arguing for Itachi are saying "he can break out of the sound genjutsu!" when he never did not showed any way to do so (he cannot cause himself pain like Shikamaru, because Shika can control shadows independently of his ability to move. Itachi cannot do something similar).

People for Itachi are saying "did you read the manga!" like a bunch of sad, childish, ignorant people. Yes, we read the manga. And what we gleamed was the truth. What we saw was a 2 vs 1, where Itachi was, oh, how do I put it...immortal. Sure they weren't trying to kill Kabuto. Kabuto wasn't trying to kill Sasuke, and he COULDN'T kill Itachi. In the end, the battle was incredibly situational. What Kabuto supporters are saying is that in a FAIR battle, where Itachi can actually DIE, he would.

And finally, people say "oh, Itachi always has a new jutsu to use" like the ignorant people they are.


I think I'll stick with facts rather than assumptions and plain ignorance.

What's a fact? Kabuto has heightened reflexes and speed, and he was able to dodge Sasuke's Susanoo arrow which was aimed to kill. Knowing this, we know that Kabuto can dodge the sword of Totsuka (speed of sword thrust < speed of arrow).

What's another fact? Kabuto's oral rebirth allows him to escape his old body in case it gets amaterasu'd.

What's another fact? Kabuto uses a gen-jutsu repellent film over his eye, only Izanami would work.

Then, how does Izanami work? Izanami requires the repition of a sensation between the two fighting parties where both are directly involved. That in of itself is difficult. If Itachi allows Kabuto that close, Kabuto can kill him. In their battle, it took Itachi being stabbed twice through the stomach to activate the genjutsu. He wouldn't survive the same scenario. So the "fact" is that Itachi has very little possibility to actually USE Izanami.

And FINALLY the fact is that this is not even including that. Kabuto has Edo tensei, which means.....

Kabuto crushes Itachi no contest.

this is the real think is black rep+ for you but they will not read this....

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

As for the sound genjutsu i personally believe people are trolling when they say itachi or the brothers were there for the taking and if neither had a partner that was that for them. That genjutsu was broken by shikamaru in part 1 inflicting pain on himself. He did this by breaking his finger. To say either genjutsu users who have shown such feats to genjutsu cannot do the same or something similar is beyond me. Itachi was in his edo state and couldve decided to do exactly what shikamaru did, he wouldve regenerated his finger. Instead i believe he took advantage of this scenario and decided to do what he hasnt done all his life which was to recognise his comrades abilities, especially sasuke's who he has constantly been sleeping on

Actually Tayuya's Demonic Flute is the downfall of Itachi, had Itachi been alone then he wouldn't be able to break it. The manner of that particular sound genjutsu being broken by Shikamaru in Part 1 was very different due to individual abilities, in this case Shikamaru's Shadow Imitation technique. As you can see

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when Shikamaru was caught its obvious he was paralysed. As you stated Shika only escaped by breaking his

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through his technique. Furthermore, if you read what Shikamaru says the distance of Tayuya only helped him even more.

Now Itachi could've done the same thing whilst in this

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but the level of the genjutsu seemed different and more powerful than before as both Sasuke and Itachi had no control of their chakra. This is why you can see their Susano start to deplete and fully gone by the next

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, offering no protection what so ever. It is only after Itachi and Sasuke had genjutsu on

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were they able to bring back their

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So the question remains, in what manner would Itachi break this genjutsu with no control of his own chakra whilst paralysed at the same time? Itachi would need an external source to break it the way Shikamaru did.

Furthermore, I'm not sure why the level of Demonic Flute was different since Shikamaru was able to use his chakra to use Shadow Imitation but the following pages show that Tayuya's sound genjutsu consists of different variations as it had different names upon comparison as seen

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[zombiejesus]

because itachi beat him and yes he had help from saskue but lets face it itachi did not want to kill kabuto so we can not even really use that fight as a reference at all but that is what people go by fella now you know

 

[Gatsuuga]

Ok, so I kinda want to put things in perspective...

People arguing for Kabuto are basically using Manga facts to prove that if Itachi were fighting Kabuto, he would lose.

People who are arguing for Kabuto use manga facts to prove that Kabuto can avoid all of Itachi's attacks and also that he has a way to hit Itachi when Itachi has no way to hit him.

People who are arguing for Itachi are pathetically saying "Totsuka!!" when it has already been proven that Kabuto's sensing and speed would allow him to dodge it.

People who are arguing for Itachi are saying "he can break out of the sound genjutsu!" when he never did not showed any way to do so (he cannot cause himself pain like Shikamaru, because Shika can control shadows independently of his ability to move. Itachi cannot do something similar).

People for Itachi are saying "did you read the manga!" like a bunch of sad, childish, ignorant people. Yes, we read the manga. And what we gleamed was the truth. What we saw was a 2 vs 1, where Itachi was, oh, how do I put it...immortal. Sure they weren't trying to kill Kabuto. Kabuto wasn't trying to kill Sasuke, and he COULDN'T kill Itachi. In the end, the battle was incredibly situational. What Kabuto supporters are saying is that in a FAIR battle, where Itachi can actually DIE, he would.

And finally, people say "oh, Itachi always has a new jutsu to use" like the ignorant people they are.


I think I'll stick with facts rather than assumptions and plain ignorance.

What's a fact? Kabuto has heightened reflexes and speed, and he was able to dodge Sasuke's Susanoo arrow which was aimed to kill. Knowing this, we know that Kabuto can dodge the sword of Totsuka (speed of sword thrust < speed of arrow).

What's another fact? Kabuto's oral rebirth allows him to escape his old body in case it gets amaterasu'd.

What's another fact? Kabuto uses a gen-jutsu repellent film over his eye, only Izanami would work.

Then, how does Izanami work? Izanami requires the repition of a sensation between the two fighting parties where both are directly involved. That in of itself is difficult. If Itachi allows Kabuto that close, Kabuto can kill him. In their battle, it took Itachi being stabbed twice through the stomach to activate the genjutsu. He wouldn't survive the same scenario. So the "fact" is that Itachi has very little possibility to actually USE Izanami.

And FINALLY the fact is that this is not even including that. Kabuto has Edo tensei, which means.....

Kabuto crushes Itachi no contest.

This is 100% correct, +'rep. I am astounded that people can argue that Kabuto would get hit by Totsuka when Kabuto has shown likely the best reflex and dodging feats in the manga. Totsuka is not faster then Amaterasu arrow and Kabuto dodged that like it was child's play. Also to the people saying that Itachi can break the sound genjutsu by inflicting pain like shikamaru, I suggest you look at the page again. Itachi is very clearly tied up and bound so that he can't move. Without the ability to control something outside his body like the shadows he can't harm himself. If he gets hit he is down.

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Actually Tayuya's Demonic Flute is the downfall of Itachi, had Itachi been alone then he wouldn't be able to break it. The manner of that particular sound genjutsu being broken by Shikamaru in Part 1 was very different due to individual abilities, in this case Shikamaru's Shadow Imitation technique. As you can see

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when Shikamaru was caught its obvious he was paralysed. As you stated Shika only escaped by breaking his

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through his technique. Furthermore, if you read what Shikamaru says the distance of Tayuya only helped him even more.

Now Itachi could've done the same thing whilst in this

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but the level of the genjutsu seemed different and more powerful than before as both Sasuke and Itachi had no control of their chakra. This is why you can see their Susano start to deplete and fully gone by the next

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, offering no protection what so ever. It is only after Itachi and Sasuke had genjutsu on

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were they able to bring back their

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.

So the question remains, in what manner would Itachi break this genjutsu with no control of his own chakra whilst paralysed at the same time? Itachi would need an external source to break it the way Shikamaru did.

Furthermore, I'm not sure why the level of Demonic Flute was different since Shikamaru was able to use his chakra to use Shadow Imitation but the following pages show that Tayuya's sound genjutsu consists of different variations as it had different names upon comparison as seen

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and

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.

Great post, +'rep.

 

[sulanis]

Itachi kicked kabutos a$$ in the manga.

he outthought kabuto and used his abilities to his advantage, thats why Itachi won, it had nothing to do with because he was an edo. With all that in mind he saw how to use edo against kabuto. "Every Jutsu has a weakness"

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

SM kabuto(with all enhancements + forbidden techniques) >edo or non edo itachi. Edo/non edo itachi >>> normal kabuto. From the way I see it itachi with his own strength > kabuto with his own strength.Kabuto took.all of that power because he is evil/for his selfish goals. Itachi earned all of his power. If itachi was truly evil he could have done things to get even stronger, like actually kill sasuke and take his eyes so itachi can have EMS, learned forbidden techniques and probably figure out how to get the rinnegan. Plot gave itachi an illness, while making him a self-sacrificing protagonist, while plot also made kabuto power crazy and experiment on his own body to enhance it....and then plot made itachi defeat kabuto....so you can call it what you want but in the end, itachi > kabuto. Besides, you can say that bull crap about "kabuto killed itachi like, 3 times in that fight!" ...please, itachi is literally one of if not the most intelligent ninja in the manga, I'm sure he knew since he was an edo he wouldn't actually be killed, so he used that to his advantage to press kabuto as much as possible without killing him....because he wasn't trying to..

 

[ToruneNamikaze]

I agree U_U Kabuto is the worst matchup for Itachi.

 

[ixc]

What kind of BULLSHIT THREAD is this HAHAHA

Itachi owned Kabuto that's why...


GIVE ME 1 SCENE in which Itachi had a hard one against Kabuto lolz...

Itachi had that whole fight in his favor and controll...

Kabuto is Itachi's toypet hahaha...

Just ****ing deal with it sad kids.

 

[Gatsuuga]

@ People arguing Itachi wins - I am still yet to hear a solid thought out arguement. Blaze release made an exceptional post, but even he admitted that a non edo Itachi would eventually lose. It still remains to be seen how Itachi can counter sound genjutsu, white rage or fern dance/ Inorganic transmutation from beneath susano'o.

Also I wish to remind people that susano'o has never been shown to be Itachi's first point of call, but instead more of a last resort. On the other hand white rage was the first senjutsu that Kabuto used in their fight. So arguing that Kabuto wouldn't go all out from the start is pointless since he did. It obviously needs to be re-iterated this is non-edo Itachi and therefore he suffers the same draw backs from MS use that he did when he was alive, which includes the chakra and body strain.

Also the arguments that suggest "Itachi would have some other technique up his sleeve" or "Itachi would smash Kabuto if he was going all out" are not good enough. Please use the evidence we have now to form your arguements, instead of basing them on things we haven't seen. Itachi with killer intent is acceptable but with that said he is still restricted to the jutsu we have seen, and we have seen kabuto can counter them.

A bonus question also - Is it that bad to admit that after a long and gruelling battle (never said it would be an easy one) Itachi would eventually lose? Blaze release was happy to admit it, why no one else?

 

[jay2512]

kabuto is stronger than itachi no doubt. itachi just utilizes his skills far better than kabuto.
itachi went into that cave with a goal he was not going to fail at, to end edo tensei; also knowing his opponenet and what he was getting into hence the few remarks he made of being right about kabuto. honestly, itachi would have decapitated kabuto more smoothly if his younger brother wasnt there but it's plot why sasuke had to be there and why the fight was not controlled in the manner itachi wanted.

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itachi's expression to sasuke showing up.