How can ppl not agree Kabuto>Itachi?

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Kabuto was just flat out broken and OP. He could beat almost anyone in that condition. I do think if Itachi and Sasuke was out to kill then Kabuto would have had to flee. They would have torched that entire cave. Battles like these are VERY situational. We don't know what moves Itachi would have pulled out of his hat if he was intending to kill Kabuto. You would think that if he knew Izanagi and Izanami then what other forbidden Uchiha techs did he know? Izanagi and Izanami was the highest rated ones from that clan.
 
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I seriously don't understand how people can say that a non-edo itachi can beat Kabuto in a 1v1 fight. Kabuto is basically custom built to beat Itachi. Look at it this way.

Amaterasu? Kabuto uses oral rebirth and continues on

Fire/ Water release? Fire release is countered by kabuto's own water release, whilst water the water release Itachi has shown don't really pose any real threat.

Tsukuyomi/ Genjutsu? Completely useless because kabuto closes his eyes.

Sword of Totsuka? Sage mode sensing/dodging renders this useless. If he dodged amaterasu arrow he is dodging the sword. Even on the off chance he does get hit, he can liquify thanks to suigetsu's DNA.

Susanoo? Kabuto has at least 3 counters. White rage to make Itachi drop it and be paralysed. Sound genjutsu from Tayaya, which he can't get out of without assistance. Bone forest from Kimi to erupt underneat susano'o.

Izanami? Itachi literally said it himself that Izanami can't be used in battle situations. The only reason Itachi pulled it off was because he was Edo, and even then he died twice to set it off.

So quite obviously, Kabuto takes this. Kabuto counters anything itachi has, he is faster than itachi, he is much stronger than itachi, his attacks can easily overcome susano'o. He can easily makes amaterasu and genjutsu useless and is superior in taijutsu thanks to suigetsu's liquefaction techniques. His stamina is unlimited thanks to sage mode whilst Itachi has stamina problems. I haven't even mentioned Kabuto's summons since he doesn't really need them.

He is ahead in ninjutsu, taijutsu, even genjutsu (since Itachi's are useless), speed, strength and stamina all by a good margin in this match, and is either higher or equal in intellect. Itachi loses in a proper fight every time. Also if someone seriously says "Itachi wasn't trying to kill Kabuto" think about this - Kabuto was also not aiming to kill since he had to make sure not to kill Sasuke.

If you somehow think different explain properly, no fanboy crap.

Are you refering to this page about izanami? If so he never said it cant be used in a battle.
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In regards to who would win it depends on the restrictions and even if they were made to be as fair as possible one could argue good points for both. ultimately the only real way to determine an obvious winner solely depends on the restrictions being in set favor for one of them.
 

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Are you refering to this page about izanami? If so he never said it cant be used in a battle.
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In regards to who would win it depends on the restrictions and even if they were made to be as fair as possible one could argue good points for both. ultimately the only real way to determine an obvious winner solely depends on the restrictions being in set favor for one of them.


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Could not agree more ... :ice:
who says ur trolling level > 9k ;)

This guy is biased to Kabuto :sy:
 

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dude .. exactly thats what im saying ... this dude is saying he was holding back ... but he used all jutsus he had in his sleeves in sage mode ...
If itachi used all jutsus in his arsenal then kabutos a dead meat bro !

and ... dude ..Kabuto feared Itachis genjutsu so much .. he used his Sage mode for that .. cauz he knew he cant escape if he look in his eyes .. so U GTFO !

I never said kabuto was holding back but explain to me how itachi counters this



And the sound ginjutsus
 

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I don't see how people think Itachi is better than Kabuto.

The only way Itachi can possibly win is if he uses Totsuka sword but Kabuto HAS THE SPEED to dodge it, he even dodged Sasuke's Susanno arrow and Amaterasu I think.

However, if Itachi hits him with Totsuka will it affect him because he has the ability to liquefy.
 

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I never said kabuto was holding back but explain to me how itachi counters this



And the sound ginjutsus
dude .. if u look carefully .. I also never said he can counter that ... but for ur sake .. Itachi can also totsuka him ri8 ... so both have their own advantages ... If u say kabutos first move will be that .. i also can say Itachis first move will be totsuka .. foolish arguments :sy:

and .. boy ur making it easier for me .. see

despite of being under his sound genjutsu .. Itachi able to save sasuke .. READ Kabutos comment ! .. so still he can dodge it ... Thank u for proving me ri8 :)
 
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Gatsuuga hates all things Uchiha so I'm not surprised really.
 

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It's all wank. Is it surprising though? We've got people saying Itachi can beat current Naruto or Nagato for goodness sake.
 

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dude .. if u look carefully .. I also never said he can counter that ... but for ur sake .. Itachi can also totsuka him ri8 ... so both have their own advantages ... If u say kabutos first move will be that .. i also can say Itachis first move will be totsuka .. foolish arguments :sy:

That good of you to say itachi will use Totsuka but it only seal what it can pierce right cause I only seen it seal stuff it pierce if it slice stuff it cuts instead of sealing right now kabuto dodged a susanoo arrow right and what does the arrow do it pierce but in a faster way and kabuto dodged that so how will Totsuka work if he is to fast to be pierce or cut by it now instead of saying foolish argument come up with some points please and thank you:cool::ice:
 

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dude .. if u look carefully .. I also never said he can counter that ... but for ur sake .. Itachi can also totsuka him ri8 ... so both have their own advantages ... If u say kabutos first move will be that .. i also can say Itachis first move will be totsuka .. foolish arguments :sy:

and .. boy ur making it easier for me .. see

despite of being under his sound genjutsu .. Itachi able to save sasuke .. READ Kabutos comment ! .. so still he can dodge it ... Thank u for proving me ri8 :)

Sorry to say this but that wasn't a sound ginjutsus that is a different Jutsus so try again
 

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I seriously don't understand how people can say that a non-edo itachi can beat Kabuto in a 1v1 fight. Kabuto is basically custom built to beat Itachi. Look at it this way.

Amaterasu? Kabuto uses oral rebirth and continues on

Fire/ Water release? Fire release is countered by kabuto's own water release, whilst water the water release Itachi has shown don't really pose any real threat.

Tsukuyomi/ Genjutsu? Completely useless because kabuto closes his eyes.

Sword of Totsuka? Sage mode sensing/dodging renders this useless. If he dodged amaterasu arrow he is dodging the sword. Even on the off chance he does get hit, he can liquify thanks to suigetsu's DNA.

Susanoo? Kabuto has at least 3 counters. White rage to make Itachi drop it and be paralysed. Sound genjutsu from Tayaya, which he can't get out of without assistance. Bone forest from Kimi to erupt underneat susano'o.

Izanami? Itachi literally said it himself that Izanami can't be used in battle situations. The only reason Itachi pulled it off was because he was Edo, and even then he died twice to set it off.

So quite obviously, Kabuto takes this. Kabuto counters anything itachi has, he is faster than itachi, he is much stronger than itachi, his attacks can easily overcome susano'o. He can easily makes amaterasu and genjutsu useless and is superior in taijutsu thanks to suigetsu's liquefaction techniques. His stamina is unlimited thanks to sage mode whilst Itachi has stamina problems. I haven't even mentioned Kabuto's summons since he doesn't really need them.

He is ahead in ninjutsu, taijutsu, even genjutsu (since Itachi's are useless), speed, strength and stamina all by a good margin in this match, and is either higher or equal in intellect. Itachi loses in a proper fight every time. Also if someone seriously says "Itachi wasn't trying to kill Kabuto" think about this - Kabuto was also not aiming to kill since he had to make sure not to kill Sasuke.

If you somehow think different explain properly, no fanboy crap.


Itachi>>>Your theory.
 

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I never said kabuto was holding back but explain to me how itachi counters this



And the sound ginjutsus

That move is situational. If Kabuto used that move on an open field it would not have the same effect it does in a closed in cave. Obviously the light and sound from that ability would have A LOT more space to spread out and it wouldn't effect them the same way it did in the manga.

The sound genjutsu is nothing but a genjutsu delivered by sound. The illusion effect is the same as a any other genjutsu. The sharigan can see through it and allow them to break it. If Itachi sees the chakara within the sound waves he would know its an genjutsu and prepare for it. The Kabuto fight Itachi's back was turned while he was hiding from Kabuto and Kabuto hit him with it. These battles are VERY situational. I don't know why people keep bringing up the sound genjutsu though. The special feature about sound genjutsu is that it can trap a mass amount of people at a time.
 

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Gatsuuga hates all things Uchiha so I'm not surprised really.

Yeah ! .. that reflects from his arguments ... hes defending Kabuto with his assumptions and ignoring facts .. xd

*meh* hated uchihas .... I feel sorry for them ...
*thinks* * the reason maybe that Avenger Dude ;) *
 

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That good of you to say itachi will use Totsuka but it only seal what it can pierce right cause I only seen it seal stuff it pierce if it slice stuff it cuts instead of sealing right now kabuto dodged a susanoo arrow right and what does the arrow do it pierce but in a faster way and kabuto dodged that so how will Totsuka work if he is to fast to be pierce or cut by it now instead of saying foolish argument come up with some points please and thank you:cool::ice:

Dude ... please .. Now as ur arguing like fanboy .. so shall we ...
Show me one prove some one dodged totsuka ... ( i really dont care .. becoz u dont have that ! ) ...
dont make ur own assumptions ... Now Kabuto is in Itachis genjutsu .. despite of all precaution he took ... so dont talk like that ...I came up with good points .. u only making assumptions .. No proof .. so No im not Thanking U :ice:
 

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Sorry to say this but that wasn't a sound ginjutsus that is a different Jutsus so try again
hahaha .. r u troll or something ... u only gave me that link stating How he will counter ... I understood boy .. Nice trolling ! :noc:

btw .. they were holding their Ear (IF U can see .. not actually blind Fanboy xd ) .. so something related to sound was there ... .. Boy get over with it ...
Itachi > Kabuto all day .. Manga proved that .. prove me wrong xd
 

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I agree itachi in the state that he was when he fought sasuke, isnt enough to defeat kabuto. He will trouble kabuto no doubt but kabuto would prevail. However im a firm believer that edo itachi would beat him.

Anyway first and foremost i can never understand those who say if itachi wasnt edo he would be long dead. First of all the reason why kishi allowed itachi to take those hits is because he is edo, he was using itachi's edo abilities to its fullest. If it was living itachi vs kabuto, kishi wouldve altered the fight.

Secondly other factors such as the purpose of the fight.
Itachi taking advantage of his edo form
Protecting sasuke
Activation of izanami

All these factors were what allowed kabuto to damage itachi. I keep on hearing people say both parties were not fighting to kill and this is true but its more than that, never once was an attack by the uchiha bro's aimed at kabuto, they were defending their ground from the very start. Itachi made it very clear and still repeated it several times to sasuke that, they cannot attack kabuto. The only real attack from the bro's was for the activation of izanami where kabuto made contact with itachi's karasu bunshin. That was the only attack aimed at kabuto and that in itself was a decoy for the purpose of the fight.

Kabuto intentions was also to take control of itachi, but also keep sasuke alive for his own goals, he didnt attack sasuke. He did however attack itachi. Sure his aim was to take control of itachi. But in order to either seal or take control of an edo, they have to be severely damaged and that was what kabuto did. Attacks ranging from;
Senpo Muki Tensei
Senpo Hakugeki no Jutsu
Sawarabi no Mai
Mateki Mugen Onsa
Doton Doroku Gaeshi
Kumosokai
Chakura no Mesu

Are techniques that were aimed at itachi. Kabuto had to have him damaged in order to regain control of him. What im saying is that whether kabuto's aim was to regain control of itachi or not, he had to have him severely damaged in order to do so therefore whether kabuto's aim was to kill or regain control of itachi is irrelevant because its these same attacks that he would've used if the fight was to kill and itachi was alive and not edo. Whilst ive come up with a list of attacks that kabuto aimed at itachi, i wonder whether somebody can come up with a list of attacks that itachi or the bro's aimed at kabuto, apart from the karasu bunshin which was to activate izanami.

Kabuto's fighting style wouldnt have changed, because its these same technique's he wouldve used. Itachi's frame of mind and thinking strategy wouldve changed and he might actually decide to find a way to defeat him even with the abilities that kabuto has gained. Perhaps decide to wield the legendary weapons himself, which wouldve made him a very dangerous opponent with the speed, taijutsu and precognition feat thanks to the sharingan to use these weapons very effectively, not even kabuto's medic ninjutsu prowess would save him once the sword has pierced him.

As for the sound genjutsu i personally believe people are trolling when they say itachi or the brothers were there for the taking and if neither had a partner that was that for them. That genjutsu was broken by shikamaru in part 1 inflicting pain on himself. He did this by breaking his finger. To say either genjutsu users who have shown such feats to genjutsu cannot do the same or something similar is beyond me. Itachi was in his edo state and couldve decided to do exactly what shikamaru did, he wouldve regenerated his finger. Instead i believe he took advantage of this scenario and decided to do what he hasnt done all his life which was to recognise his comrades abilities, especially sasuke's who he has constantly been sleeping on
 
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I agree itachi in the state that he was when he fought sasuke, isnt enough to defeat kabuto. He will trouble kabuto no doubt but kabuto would prevail. However im a firm believer that edo itachi would beat him.

Anyway first and foremost i can never understand those who say if itachi wasnt edo he would be long dead. First of all the reason why kishi allowed itachi to take those hits is because he is edo, he was using itachi's edo abilities to its fullest. If it was living itachi vs kabuto, kishi wouldve altered the fight.

Secondly other factors such as the purpose of the fight.
Itachi taking advantage of his edo form
Protecting sasuke
Activation of izanami

All these factors were what allowed kabuto to damage itachi. I keep on hearing people say both parties were not fighting to kill and this is true but its more than that, never once was an attack by the uchiha bro's aimed at kabuto, they were defending their ground from the very start. Itachi made it very clear and still repeated it several times to sasuke that, they cannot attack kabuto. The only real attack from the bro's was for the activation of izanami where kabuto made contact with itachi's karasu bunshin. That was the only attack aimed at kabuto and that in itself was a decoy for the purpose of the fight.

Kabuto intentions was also to take control of itachi, but also keep sasuke alive for his own goals, he didnt attack sasuke. He did however attack itachi. Sure his aim was to take control of itachi. But in order to either seal or take control of an edo, they have to be severely damaged and that was what kabuto did. Attacks ranging from;
Senpo Muki Tensei
Senpo Hakugeki no Jutsu
Sawarabi no Mai
Mateki Mugen Onsa
Doton Doroku Gaeshi
Kumosokai
Chakura no Mesu

Are techniques that were aimed at itachi. Kabuto had to have him damaged in order to regain control of him. What im saying is that whether kabuto's aim was to regain control of itachi or not, he had to have him severely damaged in order to do so therefore whether kabuto's aim was to kill or regain control of itachi is irrelevant because its these same attacks that he would've used if the fight was to kill and itachi was alive and not edo. Whilst ive come up with a list of attacks that kabuto aimed at itachi, i wonder whether somebody can come up with a list of attacks that itachi or the bro's aimed at kabuto, apart from the karasu bunshin which was to activate izanami.

Kabuto's fighting style wouldnt have changed, because its these same technique's he wouldve used. Itachi's frame of mind and thinking strategy wouldve changed and he might actually decide to find a way to defeat him even with the abilities that kabuto has gained. Perhaps decide to wield the legendary weapons himself, which wouldve made him a very dangerous opponent with the speed, taijutsu and precognition feat thanks to the sharingan to use these weapons very effectively, not even kabuto's medic ninjutsu prowess would save him once the sword has pierced him.

As for the sound genjutsu i personally believe people are trolling when they say itachi or the brothers were there for the taking and if neither had a partner that was that for them. That genjutsu was broken by shikamaru in part 1 inflicting pain on himself. He did this by breaking his finger. To say either genjutsu users who have shown such feats to genjutsu cannot do the same or something similar is beyond me. Itachi was in his edo state and couldve decided to do exactly what shikamaru did, he wouldve regenerated his finger. Instead i believe he took advantage of this scenario and decided to do what he hasnt done all his life which was to recognise his comrades abilities, especially sasuke's who he has constantly been sleeping on
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I seriously don't understand how people can say that a non-edo itachi can beat Kabuto in a 1v1 fight. Kabuto is basically custom built to beat Itachi. Look at it this way.

Amaterasu? Kabuto uses oral rebirth and continues on

Fire/ Water release? Fire release is countered by kabuto's own water release, whilst water the water release Itachi has shown don't really pose any real threat.

Tsukuyomi/ Genjutsu? Completely useless because kabuto closes his eyes.

Sword of Totsuka? Sage mode sensing/dodging renders this useless. If he dodged amaterasu arrow he is dodging the sword. Even on the off chance he does get hit, he can liquify thanks to suigetsu's DNA.

Susanoo? Kabuto has at least 3 counters. White rage to make Itachi drop it and be paralysed. Sound genjutsu from Tayaya, which he can't get out of without assistance. Bone forest from Kimi to erupt underneat susano'o.

Izanami? Itachi literally said it himself that Izanami can't be used in battle situations. The only reason Itachi pulled it off was because he was Edo, and even then he died twice to set it off.

So quite obviously, Kabuto takes this. Kabuto counters anything itachi has, he is faster than itachi, he is much stronger than itachi, his attacks can easily overcome susano'o. He can easily makes amaterasu and genjutsu useless and is superior in taijutsu thanks to suigetsu's liquefaction techniques. His stamina is unlimited thanks to sage mode whilst Itachi has stamina problems. I haven't even mentioned Kabuto's summons since he doesn't really need them.

He is ahead in ninjutsu, taijutsu, even genjutsu (since Itachi's are useless), speed, strength and stamina all by a good margin in this match, and is either higher or equal in intellect. Itachi loses in a proper fight every time. Also if someone seriously says "Itachi wasn't trying to kill Kabuto" think about this - Kabuto was also not aiming to kill since he had to make sure not to kill Sasuke.

If you somehow think different explain properly, no fanboy crap.

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I really think Itachi would kick Kabuto all over the Narutoverse a hundred times, in that last fight kabuto wasn't holding back and Itachi HAD TO, because he was aiming to undo Edo tensei. Yes, it's true he got 'killed' twice, but it was because he allowed himself to be a little bit careless knowing of his impossibility to die. Kabuto was outstanding, dont get me wrong, but not enough for him....
 

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Sm kabuto would shit on itavhi,alive or edo 1 on 1. The fact people think itachi could beat sm kabuto is outstanding.
 
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