Hiruzen led Konoha the Best

[Umari Senju]

Half kill him? He didn't know that Madara wasn't dead, and that's different from letting some one live. Hiruzen even after knowing that Danzo was trying to kill him didn't take a single action against him.

It wasn't jst Danzo either. He also let Orochimaru, his precious pupil escape as well. This is where Hiruzen falls shorts. Not in being a good leader, but being soft hearted where former commrads are concerned. Hiruzen isn't perfect and his flaws cost him his life in the end,

but overall the Kanoha has probably had the longest period of peace under his reign.

 

[Cresee]

It wasn't jst Danzo either. He also let Orochimaru, his precious pupil escape as well. This is where Hiruzen falls shorts. Not in being a good leader, but being soft hearted where former commrads are concerned. Hiruzen isn't perfect and his flaws cost him his life in the end,

but overall the Kanoha has probably had the longest period of peace under his reign.

I agree with your first point, but Konoha only had the longest period of peace because he had other strong Shinobi's under his control.

 

[AllHailKurama]

Nah, I think Tsunade has turned out to be the best hokage. Not the strongest, but the best.

 

[grizzlyshree]

Hashirama established the village, Tobirama improved it. Hiruzen kept the peace and Minato sacrificed himself for the village.

As for the best, it depends. Hiruzen seriously F'cked up with Danzo, although the argumment of Danzo using KA on Hiruzen can be legit.

They were all great and bad in their own way.

I think Tobirama had the most realistic approach to keeping peace, and he was no push over.

Minato died too early to be judged accordingly, but he sacrificed everything for the village so that makes him great imo U_U

Hashirama is the reason the village exists, and he put the villages over his personal feelings when he *Killed* Madara. He truly wanted peace and he was a great Hokage.

Tsunade hasn't done much, but she is also a good Hokage, since she put the lives of the people over her own again and again. + She is also in good standing with the other Kage, unlike thouse before her.

Hiruzen had the longest reign of all of them, so him making a few misstakes is understandable. Still think he was way too compassionate with Danzo, however.

what do you mean by tsunade standing with other kage unlike those before her? in fact,those befoe her were more determined for peace than tsunade.tsunade is a good hokage but the other hokages were more inclined to peace.

 

[grizzlyshree]

Nah, I think Tsunade has turned out to be the best hokage. Not the strongest, but the best.

all hokages were best in their era.also unlike the past hokages,tsunade never had any internal village problems since all of them were gone with Hiruzen(uchihas,Oro,Kumo problem).

 

[grizzlyshree]

the only fault of Hiruzen was that he was too soft towards Danzo

 

[AllHailKurama]

all hokages were best in their era.also unlike the past hokages,tsunade never had any internal village problems since all of them were gone with Hiruzen(uchihas,Oro,Kumo problem).

I mean out of the hokage, she is better than all of them. Especially politically. She has been the best hokage to date.

She has dealt with internal problems. Sasuke Uchiha, Naruto Uzumaki (specifically relying to the Akatsuki) and danzo's attempts to overthrow her.

 

[Conspirator.]

Hiruzen was the worst hokage politically by far.
A: Failed to kill orochimaru even when his crimes were beyond belief
B: Let danzo spread unneccesary fear about the uchiha and became danzo's lackey(aka isolating them without any proof). This created mistrust between the uchiha and the village, and lead to the massacre.
C: In general, he comes across as a bumbling fool, not unlike hashirama. Tobirama and tsunade are actually smart.

 

[Mattek2008]

what do you mean by tsunade standing with other kage unlike those before her? in fact,those befoe her were more determined for peace than tsunade.tsunade is a good hokage but the other hokages were more inclined to peace.

I guess you're right, should've thought that one through more...xD

 

[Mattek2008]

Hiruzen was the worst hokage politically by far.
A: Failed to kill orochimaru even when his crimes were beyond belief
B: Let danzo spread unneccesary fear about the uchiha and became danzo's lackey(aka isolating them without any proof). This created mistrust between the uchiha and the village, and lead to the massacre.
C: In general, he comes across as a bumbling fool, not unlike hashirama. Tobirama and tsunade are actually smart.

Come on, the man was called the professor, and he was clearly a wise person due to his age. His fault was him being too compassionate.

And calling Hashirama smart isn't exactly true, he was called an idiot by his brother several times xD

 

[Conspirator.]

Come on, the man was called the professor, and he was clearly a wise person due to his age. His fault was him being too compassionate.

And calling Hashirama smart isn't exactly true, he was called an idiot by his brother several times xD

Uh no. I am not talking about hiruzen intelligence in combat. I am talking about his POLITCAL intelligence. In that regard, Hiruzen is indeed an idiot. Same goes for Hashirama with respect to political intelligence-that 1st kage summit was a joke.(giving the bijuus for free-lel)

 

[grizzlyshree]

I mean out of the hokage, she is better than all of them. Especially politically. She has been the best hokage to date.

She has dealt with internal problems. Sasuke Uchiha, Naruto Uzumaki (specifically relying to the Akatsuki) and danzo's attempts to overthrow her.

but what attempt did danzo do to overthrow her? sasuke uchiha is not necessarily n internal problem since he became a missing-nin. she is a hokage so she can order.akatsuki's last choice was naruto and pain came for it. it was not a political problem actually

 

[AllHailKurama]

but what attempt did danzo do to overthrow her? sasuke uchiha is not necessarily n internal problem since he became a missing-nin. she is a hokage so she can order.akatsuki's last choice was naruto and pain came for it. it was not a political problem actually

Danzo handed Orochimaru the ENTIRE LIST of Leaf Anbu. Not only that, but when Pain attacked the village, he told the foundation to let it happen. To add onto that, he tried to stop Naruto from coming back to the leaf by killing the messenger toad. This was an attempt to overthrow her, as shown when he brought up Pains attack during the meeting with the fuedal lord.

Sasuke Uchiha was a leaf problem. It was stated in manga that usually when a ninja goes rouge, the village he belonged to is the one to handle him. Tsunade constantly attempted to rescue him by allowing Naruto to chase him.

As it relates to Naruto and the Akatsuki, she was under political pressure by Shizune as well as the elders for most of shippuden up to the pain arc to put Naruto on a leash and keep him in the village. She constantly refused to do so, rather choosing to believe in him. A similar occurrence happened when during the war, Tsunade twice tried to allow Naruto to enter the war, the first time the Kage over ruled her, the second time she helped convince the Raikage.

Furthermore, due to her role in the SA, you could say that she surpassed Hashirama, since she achieved his dream when he failed to create peace amongst the nations.

 

[DaileyM]

I disagree, He listened too much to Danzo.

 

[Mattek2008]

Uh no. I am not talking about hiruzen intelligence in combat. I am talking about his POLITCAL intelligence. In that regard, Hiruzen is indeed an idiot. Same goes for Hashirama with respect to political intelligence-that 1st kage summit was a joke.(giving the bijuus for free-lel)

Alrighty, my bad. I apologise.

The one with the most political intelligence is without a doubt Tobirama then.

 

[Giran]

I somewhat agree, I think it's a tie between him and tobirama. He was the most well liked and respected and led the village the longest and during he longest stretch of peace, but because of the Uchiha clan massacre he only ties for first. Tobirama confounded the village and came up with the whole system, but his alienism of the Uchiha led ultimately to their massacre, so he only ties for first. Hashirama made an alliance with the five nations and was the strongest so he's second, and I think minato and Tsunade tie for last as minato ruled for like five minutes, and Tsunade was hokage when the village was destroyed.

 

[Bantos]

Lies, LIES!

 

[Xāvî1]

wtf is a rep cannon

means he will neg you if you don't agree/

OT:No just no

 

[Vega]

This is the truth. Only one who will lead better is whoever becomes Hokage next between Naruto or Sasuke.
I don't agree with the Danzo argument, it was stated that the Uchiha clan's fate was sealed after Tobi attacked the Village with the Kyuubi. It wasn't a matter of what will happen with the Uchiha, it was a matter of when. While I don't like Danzo, what he did in the current situation was really all that could be done. Itachi realized this and that's why he slaughtered his own kin.
Hashirama's job was to make the village and he did that, but his time as hokage wasn't long nor productive.
Tobirama may have constructed some of the foundations of the village, but in doing so he as Orochimaru said was the rising action to alienate the Uchiha.
Minato's hokage reign was mediocre, his death could've been avoided and he failed to live up to the "Child of Prophecy".
And Tsunade let the village get destroyed.
When Hiruzen came back for his second term of hokage, the Uchiha agony was already at the tip of the iceberg, it was bound to happen. The only thing that could've prevented it was Sasuke according to Itachi's words.

 

[RicardoA]

I find him the worst tbh. And its not even a close call for me.
He let an S-rank criminal get away on purpose knowing that he would come back stronger, trying to destroy Konoha and he let Danzo and the elders do whatever pleased them w/o establishing boudaries.

Those two points alone are enough to put him in the bottom compared to any other Hokage.
He could've rulled for centuries, that doesn't mean his village was at its best (because it wasn't) or that he did a good job (because he didn't imo).