hiruzen is not the strongest hokage... proof

[blazekev90]

1-So now its not majority taijutsu?
2-None of those jutsu's are basic. It's easy for a master of that specific jutsu to use but you state basic which makes you look unintelligent.

"1-Actually suppressing their emotions leads to a lesser mind *u*k as we saw with the reasoning why Kabuto left some with emotions intact. EX-Asuma vs his team"

My point still stands. You never refuted it whatsoever only stating that they would of broken free.

"3-He went for the kill against naruto as a kid"

And you agreed since your original argument was that "When has orochimaru ever gone for a kill".

"4-It stated they were equally matched"

You agreed once again stating "In that fight they were evenly match"

So I'm down to two simply because you couldn't refute my statement or agreed with me.

damn you fail so badly lmao it's actually sad now, are you really trying to have me prove points that I have already proven?!? You stopped responding to them because you didn't have shyt to counter with. Boy I'm done entertaining you, right now you're purely a noob.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

We could at least all agree that Hiruzen was the longest reigning Hokage, that fact hasn't change much, but we all know Hashirama is top dog Hokage when it comes to pure power levels. It was only Iruka who said Hiruzen was the strongest of all Hokage, most probably he was oblivious to the history of Hashirama and Tobirama because he wasn't alive yet when they were around. But I am quite sure that Hiruzen in his prime is stronger than Tsunade, and maybe stronger than the second Hokage Tobirama, seeing as how the gold and silver brothers were able to injure him in the past.

 

[Unbiased]

1. Your speculation.. in the manga he was forced.
2. He has lived through Sarutobi's reign.. and has outside contact.. Nagato is a proof.
3. What part of "Only" confuses you?

Link manga page saying Tsunade was physically stronger.

1-Does it matter? It still doesn't refute it logically being the best option. What's the point of normally sealing them if the user can just re-summon them after killing the sealer.
2-He wanted to deal the appropriate punishment according to the manga.

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3-Databook volume 2 Tsunade character bio "Brash, free spirited, monstrous strength, no one can stop princess Tsunade." No where in the manga or databooks is it stated Hashirama had monstrous strength. Therefore she automatically has superior strength due to hashirama not having any feats of strength.

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[Unbiased]

damn you fail so badly lmao it's actually sad now, are you really trying to have me prove points that I have already proven?!? You stopped responding to them because you didn't have shyt to counter with. Boy I'm done entertaining you, right now you're purely a noob.

try harder troll. You agreed with me and that's listed in this thread and in that post.

 

[Form]

link manga page saying Tsunade was physically stronger.

Show a manga page displaying hashirama's straight up physical strength. Jeez i like hashi and all but you're just a typical fanboy.

 

[KingHashirama]

1-Does it matter? It still doesn't refute it logically being the best option. What's the point of normally sealing them if the user can just re-summon them after killing the sealer.
2-He wanted to deal the appropriate punishment according to the manga.

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3-Databook volume 2 Tsunade character bio "Brash, free spirited, monstrous strength, no one can stop princess Tsunade." No where in the manga or databooks is it stated Hashirama had monstrous strength.

1. Cause he had no other choice.. . He was already hella tired when he used the seal
2. "I have no other choice" that also according to the manga.. And that was a appropriate punishment but also the only way to defeat those 2 edos
3. Check when the Databook was published. And if Hashirama and Tobirama were introduced.

Show a manga page displaying hashirama's straight up physical strength. Jeez i like hashi and all but you're just a typical fanboy.

Ok wait a year or couple of months. ;]

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Stop bashing the old man, he was a great Hokage no matter how you look at it, 2nd Hokage wouldn't have chosen him if he was below the standards.

 

[Unbiased]

1. Cause he had no other choice.. . He was already hella tired when he used the seal
2. "I have no other choice" that also according to the manga.. And that was a appropriate punishment but also the only way to defeat those 2 edos
3. Check when the Databook was published. And if Hashirama and Tobirama were introduced.

Ok wait a year or couple of months. ;]

3-The databook also has information on Tobirama and Hashirama. In fact Tobirama and Hashirama are in databook 1 where tsunade was not. Point and case.

1-He's not tired in this picture where he state's he's going to use it. There's no indication of heavy breathing and is actually quite confident.

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2-He was known for mastering every jutsu in the leaf according to orochimaru meaning he had other seals. It wasn't his only choice.

Show a manga page displaying hashirama's straight up physical strength. Jeez i like hashi and all but you're just a typical fanboy.

He is can't you tell by the name. The fact that he even says wait a year or a few months for a page that states Hashirama has her strength (which doesn't exist mind you) shows He is incompetent and a liar like I have recently posted. Hashirama has Zero feats of physical strength. He's just a troll with a fetish for hashirama and will say whatever even if there's no proof.

 

[KingHashirama]

3-The databook also has information on Tobirama and Hashirama. In fact Tobirama and Hashirama are in databook 1 where tsunade was not. Point and case.
1-He's not tired in this picture where he state's he's going to use it. There's no indication of heavy breathing and is actually quite confident.

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2-He was known for mastering every jutsu in the leaf according to orochimaru meaning he had other seals. It wasn't his only choice.
He is can't you tell by the name. The fact that he even says wait a year or a few months for a page that states Hashirama has her strength (which doesn't exist mind you) shows He is incompetent and a liar like I have recently posted. Hashirama has Zero feats of physical strength. He's just a troll with a fetish for hashirama and will say whatever even if there's no proof.

1. Databook only contains the power the characters have shown.. nothing else, or if their jutsus were shown
2. Watch the anime.... if you say anime is not canon.... then i will simply put up the copyrights to shut you up.
3. He can't master every jutsu since he doesn't have mokuton. And also, If he had other seals he could've used them and killed Oro without suicide.

 

[Unbiased]

1. Databook only contains the power the characters have shown.. nothing else, or if their jutsus were shown
2. Watch the anime.... if you say anime is not canon.... then i will simply put up the copyrights to shut you up.
3. He can't master every jutsu since he doesn't have mokuton. And also, If he had other seals he could've used them and killed Oro without suicide.

1-Manga > Anime always no if's and's or but's.
2-He mastered every jutsu in the leaf. KKG's, Hidden jutsu's ect do not apply. Therefore he had seals.
3-Databooks also contain other useful information like the 3rd databook came out prior to Susanoo's appearance yet spoke of it. Try again.

 

[Koha]

Enma have been alive for an long time, and he commented on the fight with Orochimaru saying that it was "miserable" compared to his prime. Hashirama is nothing more than hype too, it's only Madara that respects him and calls him strong; but he never called him god of shinobi's or the strongest Hokage.

Both are hype, but being able to fight two former Hokages at age of 69.... Dude, give the man credit

This....

 

[TheThirdHokage]

Excuse me?

 

[Zlad]

BOLD part is your assumption.

aware of doesn't mean you can do anything about it.. Tsunade is now aware of PS.. doesn't mean she can do anything about it...

And yea i guess that does make sense in the teaching part. But i think a flashback is required to end that.

Hashirama's main power is mokuton, enma can easily break it, fire can burn it, lighting can destroy it. Don't compare PS to Mokuton, lol

 

[YellowFang]

Who's saying he is???

 

[YellowFang]

Hashirama's main power is mokuton, enma can easily break it, fire can burn it, lighting can destroy it. Don't compare PS to Mokuton, lol

Mokuton is more versatile than PS...
Don't compare Mokuton to some strong defence, there is no defence for Mokuton.... It can even grow in your pants and crush your ***...

 

[PretaPath]

There was no proof.


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This.

 

[Zlad]

Mokuton is more versatile than PS...
Don't compare Mokuton to some strong defence, there is no defence for Mokuton.... It can even grow in your pants and crush your ***...

Lmao, troll. People think mokuton is so good and cannot be defeated, but it is still wood and wood's weakness is fire and lighting. PS is defence and attacker

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[saar0507]

not even close..... sasuke killed oro oro killed hiruzen sasuke is way stronger than in beginning of part two and is more or less equal to naruto naruto may be a bit stronger but you get the point so next is oh yah and if naruto was stronger than sasuke who killed oro a long time ago and oro killed hiruzen so if hiruzen was as strong and hasirama naruto would be able to solo madara

lol that not how its work in ninja world: jiraya was defeated by pain which is weaken than itachi yet itachi feared frim jiraya in part 1 (evan when he has kisame with him)...

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

proof they werent at full power:
all of the woodstyle jutsu that madara used in the war including the dragon and poisonous pollen one
if hiruzen was the strongest , even as an old man orochimaru wouldnt have been a problem, and he could probably win with 1 jutsu...

 

[saar0507]

Lmao, troll. People think mokuton is so good and cannot be defeated, but it is still wood and wood's weakness is fire and lighting. PS is defence and attacker

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i agree wood style isnt that strong is just a regular kekai genkai its not that special the only thing that is special is that the DNA of the wood style users (senju guys) are connected to the sage of 6 path