hiruzen is not the strongest hokage... proof

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lol that not how its work in ninja world: jiraya was defeated by pain which is weaken than itachi yet itachi feared frim jiraya in part 1 (evan when he has kisame with him)...
sorry dude , but nagato is way stronger than itachi , jiraiya only scared itachi because he knows too much shit about lots of shit like the akatsuki(before anybody else did) and probably his own abilities and how to fight him , itachi was still stronger though.

i agree wood style isnt that strong is just a regular kekai genkai its not that special the only thing that is special is that the DNA of the wood style users (senju guys) are connected to the sage of 6 path
it absorbs chakra from surrounding opponents or jutsu and uses that chakra to strengthen itself,this means it could absorb a bijuudama, and the dragon could absorb enough chakra from naruto to go back into KM from BM...
 
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But he didn't even noticed Hiruzen planted the paper bombs. I'm not sure whether Hashirama or Tobirama would've noticed or not, but that's not what I'm arguing.
oh right i was forgot about that part.... how can a high kage level shinobi now notice those paper bombs? i belive there only one explanation. remember what kabuto said? he said he surpassed oruchimaru in that justu. how can he surpass someone who perfected that jutsu? well the answear is simple: A. the first answear is that he can summong many edos B.the second is that he is able to controll them from lon distance now think about it how can some one controll some one else from long distance? by see what the other see which mean the edo and kabuto have same vision. kabuto surpassed oruchimaru by being able to manipulate the vision in a large number of edo tensei and yet be able to fight on his own (that how he was able to fight itachi and sasuke and yet controll his edos) oruchimaru in other hand couldnt do that and that why he didnt notice those paper bombs... that another proof that oruchimaru was controlled them 100% and that they werent in their full power...
 

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sorry dude , but nagato is way stronger than itachi , jiraiya only scared itachi because he knows too much shit about lots of shit like the akatsuki(before anybody else did) and probably his own abilities and how to fight him , itachi was still stronger though.


it absorbs chakra from surrounding opponents or jutsu and uses that chakra to strengthen itself,this means it could absorb a bijuudama, and the dragon could absorb enough chakra from naruto to go back into KM from BM...
every kekai genkai have different abilities but all of the kekai genkai users have the ability to manipulate chakra in different ways that was confimred in part 1 when kakashi fought itachi... itachi said "only a kekai genkai user can resist this tsukyomi..." and in part 2 its was confimred that the only way to stop a genjutsu is by manipulate you chakra...
 

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Anyone watching the show would definitely know that Hiruzen is no way in comparison to the senju brothers it absolute madness, they would rip him apart and even in their edo forms when they were not fully powered they nearly killed the old bastard, the writer made it wise to take him out he was getting too old, maybe in his prime if they had a fight then i would sit back and enjoy...
 

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every kekai genkai have different abilities but all of the kekai genkai users have the ability to manipulate chakra in different ways that was confimred in part 1 when kakashi fought itachi... itachi said "only a kekai genkai user can resist this tsukyomi..." and in part 2 its was confimred that the only way to stop a genjutsu is by manipulate you chakra...
thats my point, but no one aside from hashirama can absorb that much chakra from a foreign object/entity , which will inadvertidly make him stronger than hiruzen,im on your side but your points dont make much sense

itachis genjutsu can be broken by complete jinchuuriki and dojutsu users
 

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I seriously doubt hiruzen being up to the levels of hashirama and madara. Even up to nagato we can see people like oonoki, kakashi, minato is below them I don't see how this one man hiruzen who could do barely anything in front of the nine tails was above hashirama and madara, lets be realllll. Hiruzen is all hype from the villagers who admired him
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#1 He was 70 when he fought them. That is a feat in itself.
#2 Let it go.
#3 hashirama senju when he was 70 was still strong enough to control and manipulate all 9 bijuu , thus he was stronger
#4 hiruzen did not show any kage level jutsu so i doubt he was even stronger than tobirama or minato
#5 hiruzen was probably on par with jiraiya
#6 hiruzen was god of shinobi OF HIS TIME when strength hardly mattered because there was no war or loose bijuu unlike in the other hokages times which means that all shinobi where weaker than they are now and where in the past.
 

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We know that he wasn't the strongest Hokage because he had to commit murder-suicide to defeat them. Kishimoto retracted the idea of Hiruzen being God of Shinobi when he started developing Hashirama properly. In the third data book, there was no mention of his previously famed title, unlike the two data books before that. Not to mention that biased fanboys kiss his feet.

Oh also, where's the proof?
 

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We know that he wasn't the strongest Hokage because he had to commit murder-suicide to defeat them. Kishimoto retracted the idea of Hiruzen being God of Shinobi when he started developing Hashirama properly. In the third data book, there was no mention of his previously famed title, unlike the two data books before that. Not to mention that biased fanboys kiss his feet.

Oh also, where's the proof?
proof for or against hiruzen being"god of shinobi" in the shitty age where the shinobi world was at its weakest
 

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Don't worry, I'll solo:

Hashirama is the most powerful Hokage. Period.

Why?

Edo Madara fodderizes the five current Kage:
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Edo Madara states the only one who can stop him is Hashirama:
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Edo Madara states that Tsunade's medical ninjutsu is worthless in comparison to Hashirama's:
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Edo Madara explains just how outclassed Tsunade was by her grandfather:
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Edo Madara states that the five Kage together are nothing compared to Hashirama:
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Edo Madara states that only he with his EMS could see through Hashirama's mokuton clone jutsu:
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Dan shouldn't count, but he says the only one who can beat Edo Madara is Hashirama:
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How would Hiruzen solo the five Kage low-mid difficulty as Edo Madara implied Hashirama could do?

How would Hiruzen avoid Hashirama's mokuton clone jutsu? He wouldn't, because he doesn't have EMS like Madara. He would be fodderized and die from Hashirama's clone (Tsunade was impaled by it).

How would Hiruzen counter Hashirama's flower power jutsu? He wouldn't, he'd be knocked unconscious.

Too easy.
 

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#3 hashirama senju when he was 70 was still strong enough to control and manipulate all 9 bijuu , thus he was stronger
#4 hiruzen did not show any kage level jutsu so i doubt he was even stronger than tobirama or minato
Power Scales from part 1 to part 2 were Upgraded BIG Time!!
 

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Hashirama fanboys at it again..just because Kishi has developed his jutsu vault and naruto is nearing dragonballs level doesn't mean hiruzen's hypes and feats are now null and void..in part 1 naruto, spitting fire or water from the mouth was considered badass..in shippuden,elemental attacks didn't mean much anymore...even guys like kakashi,yamato,and all akatsuki members have shown stuffd beyond any character in part1..does that mean that a guy like deidara will give oro with 2 edo summons the fight of his life?..if kishi retconned hiruzen vs orochimaru's fight in this shippuden era,I bet you guys not even naruto vs pain's fight will compare to it's awesomness..hashirama and his bro used about 4 jutsus,hiruzen countered it accordingly with 4 counters..do you guys think that was all hiruzen and his teachers had? NO! Kishi became more creative(even his drawings improved) in shipudden that's why it looks like the hiruzen in part 1 was weak..And again people saying hashirama was stronger because he could counter and restrain bijuus,are just narrow minded..controlling bijuus was an innate ability.its an ability that came naturally to him..just like madara has the ability to control a bijuu..and kisame is called the best bijuu hunter in akatsuki because of his unique skillset..does that mean kisame can beat pain(who struggled with a 6 tailed kyubi)? Or itachi?...NO!...this is simple common sense..
 

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Tell me how Hiruzen doesn't get impaled by Hashirama's mokuton clone when only Madara with his EMS could see through it (as stated by himself).

Tell me how Hiruzen would be able to get out of the vicinity in time before he is knocked unconscious by flower power jutsu.
 

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what? where in the manga did it say hashirama was alive till 70???

Why is this omnipotent guy using A-B-C logic in his arguments?


Base is the only place where I hear hiruzen's name..
Obviously you've never been to NF or any other place
 
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