Hinata question

[BladerItachi]

Because unlike Sakura - THE MAIN HEROINE of Naruto doesn't whine in important situations, doesn't put her comrades life at risk by doing something stupid, always liked Naruto for what he was and not just cos he got powerful and for saving her!!!

Her ninja way is the same as Naruto plus she is prepared to risk her life for him.... Why Sakura even deserves this title is beyond absurd!

 

[Joshutsu]

have you noticed in amv's online that Hinata is pitted alongside other amazing heroines like Erza scarlett? People really like it when a Heroine is willing to give her life to save the main hero.
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why is that a minor character like hinata(albiet a astounding one) is given so much respect?

I've never noticed that, i bet its like one or two videos. She is nothing in comparison to Erza, if you ask me no female in Naruto is.Well, maybe temari and Tsunade in terms of fighting spirit and whenever they fight it just good. The females in Fairy tail and kick ass.

I can't compare a girl who lacks confidence in both normal situation and fighting, even though she has stepped out of the box it's the same Hinata. Getting beat up and a hand holding session does NOT put you i nany likeness to erza.

 

[Fanta]

No you aren't dissing or insulting, you are a debater way above such conducts, but you are blaming her to a point I find unreasonable. See my previous post.

I understand I may have been a bit hard on her and I realize that she was just following her heart. However, I am still not at ease with the whole situation due to reasoning I already gave about the danger Naruto and the village where in.

Because unlike Sakura - THE MAIN HEROINE of Naruto doesn't whine in important situations, doesn't put her comrades life at risk by doing something stupid, always liked Naruto for what he was and not just cos he got powerful and for saving her!!!

Her ninja way is the same as Naruto plus she is prepared to risk her life for him.... Why Sakura even deserves this title is beyond absurd!

Another problems with Hinata fans ^^^^^^

Trying to make there character seem better by putting down other characters. Specifically Sakura in this case.

 

[Aim64C]

Hinata can't stop a Kuuybi that has been fully released, can she?

Two can play that game.

That doesn't even make sense.

You're giving Minato credit for saving Naruto - which was actually done by the Kyuubi.

You're criticizing Hinata for releasing the Kyuubi - which was done by Naruto.

Hinata's actions triggered Naruto's decision to release the Kyuubi - which freed Naruto and depleted Pain considerably, while also provoking Minato's fail-safe that gave Naruto a different answer to: "It hurts... what do I do?" Since the Kyuubi's answer was a little over-the-top. All of these combined to give Naruto his resolve to find an answer to establishing peace (an answer to Pain's questions).

If Hinata hadn't acted - none of the other events would have come to pass. She was the trigger.

That you think we're playing a game just exposes how far you're in over your head.

 

[Anorien16]

I've never noticed that, i bet its like one or two videos. She is nothing in comparison to Erza, if you ask me no female in Naruto is.Well, maybe temari and Tsunade in terms of fighting spirit and whenever they fight it just good. The females in Fairy tail and kick ass.

I can't compare a girl who lacks confidence in both normal situation and fighting, even though she has stepped out of the box it's the same Hinata.

Hah, then frequently losing clothing and being portrayed in a excessively sexually suggestive way is good...... I would rather have females who are useless but not portrayed as sexual items rather than females who appear strong but sexually exploited every third chapter (also never happen to participate in the deciding battle...... but lets just leave it as it is the naturally the honor position of the main character)..... I detest Hiro for this lowly fan service.

 

[Fanta]

That doesn't even make sense.

You're giving Minato credit for saving Naruto - which was actually done by the Kyuubi.

You're criticizing Hinata for releasing the Kyuubi - which was done by Naruto.

Hinata's actions triggered Naruto's decision to release the Kyuubi - which freed Naruto and depleted Pain considerably, while also provoking Minato's fail-safe that gave Naruto a different answer to: "It hurts... what do I do?" Since the Kyuubi's answer was a little over-the-top. All of these combined to give Naruto his resolve to find an answer to establishing peace (an answer to Pain's questions).

If Hinata hadn't acted - none of the other events would have come to pass. She was the trigger.

That you think we're playing a game just exposes how far you're in over your head.

I think you misinterpreted. All I'm doing giving more credit to Minato basically.

Hinata's actions worked out well and all and her heart was in the right place, but the outcome of her actions still posed a threat to Naruto's own life and the whole village, which would of been the case if Minato did not show up. Thus Minato get's more credit from me.

I was actually implying that you where playing games but w/e.

 

[Optimistic]

I fail to see how Hinata can be loved by so many fodders.

 

[Anorien16]

That doesn't even make sense.

You're giving Minato credit for saving Naruto - which was actually done by the Kyuubi.

You're criticizing Hinata for releasing the Kyuubi - which was done by Naruto.

Hinata's actions triggered Naruto's decision to release the Kyuubi - which freed Naruto and depleted Pain considerably, while also provoking Minato's fail-safe that gave Naruto a different answer to: "It hurts... what do I do?" Since the Kyuubi's answer was a little over-the-top. All of these combined to give Naruto his resolve to find an answer to establishing peace (an answer to Pain's questions).

If Hinata hadn't acted - none of the other events would have come to pass. She was the trigger.

That you think we're playing a game just exposes how far you're in over your head.

He wont understand that ur trying say that Hinata was catalyst to Naruto's development. He's all into deciding who get how much credit . . . . .

 

[paratise]

The problem is that Hinata's character is intrinsically bound to Naruto's by theming:

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Hinata is Yin. Naruto is Yang.

And since the show is titled "Naruto" - we rarely see Hinata outside of her role independent of Naruto's (which is true of most other characters - the most "individual" development they've received is during the war arc - where we get a few panels following each of the K11).

Most of what we see of Hinata is her specifically filling her character's thematic role.

Which is why a lot of people find it difficult to separate the pairing aspect of Hinata from her independent actions. Her character was designed to interact with Naruto's and influence his character development at crucial times. Whether or not it means he'll end up impregnating her is another story.

We have to read between the lines to pick out Hinata's own accomplishments and independent activities. We see Hiashi's character do almost a complete 180 from his conversation with Kurenai regarding Hinata... when he's talking to Hizashi - he mentions how Hinata and Neji are fighting to protect each other (rather than simply the Branch protecting the Main). This indicates the fall-out from Neji and Hinata's fight - and the subsequent actions of Hinata (and Neji, likely) led to some sweeping changes in the Hyuuga clan.

If we were to follow Hinata's story - we would see similar cascading chains-of-events that stem from when she's had a 'strong interaction' with Naruto (such as the Chunin exams, Pain, and 'the slap'). But since the series isn't titled "Hinata" - we don't get nearly as much of that.

Her destiny in the story might lead into that conclusion; but that is also something makes her Naruto's satellite; there are other characters who possibly won't end up with Naruto; but they have more in "concern" department in their minds.
People do not get into Taoist legacy thing when they think about Hinata; they just think "Naruhina all the way", because Hinata is "perfect".

I do understand that point of view and it certainly has a solid foundation.

But that's not all there is to her. True there are people who like to fantasize about having their personal Hinata to make a love-slave of but, trust me, if Naruto was a slaver Hinata wouldn't be there loving him. My first girlfriend was a lot similar to her in many aspects and believe me when I say that it's not the "submission" side that is appealing, but the idea to receive such a sweet, innocent and passionate love. People who see a *** toy ready for action are shallow machists who don't understand women at all, and this sort of characters at all, either.

IN fact I am very fond of Hinata, he reminds me of her so much.

She is submissive, though, she is to his father especially, and she is timid to the point of stupidity.

That said, returning on topic NO, Hinata didn't save Naruto back there against Pain. She tried to, she failed, she ignited a chain of events that upturned the battle, but she had nothing to offer but a temporary meat shield.



No you aren't dissing or insulting, you are a debater way above such conducts, but you are blaming her to a point I find unreasonable. See my previous post.

Most people do not like her characteristics aspects because of the reasoning like yours.
What people go through in their life defines the way of their likings; you found someone who is deeper than a submissive girl; but Hinata is not deepened; she is just a shy submissive girl who would be willing to anything for a single person; does not seem deeper than that; with few common points; you might find her reminding you a certain person, but it is not the same with many others.

Again with the people going through in their lives; my country is not the greatest when it comes to gender equality; so some females like me would prefer to be strong and live on their own(and not just for someone; some people even brainwash their daughters in that way); the general culture can effect a person in it's opposite way; i walk the streets with the same hundreds of people who would prefer the likes of me to be nothing but servers and slaves to their men everyday; so my opinion on a character like Hinata might be different than others who have different experiences.

 

[Momo86]

I understand I may have been a bit hard on her and I realize that she was just following her heart. However, I am still not at ease with the whole situation due to reasoning I already gave about the danger Naruto and the village where in.

Face it man, you're swimming against the tied. I mean there's this guy tied with a rope in the water and you're swimming in the opposite direction of him. Shame on you for swimming against the tied.

She was the trigger.

Your reasoning is correct, but she was unaware that she'd be the trigger. Hinata didn't save Naruto, she tried to and her failure triggered a series of events that turned up positive. She had no control over that, no wonders Naruto credits her for saving him when she slapped his face against Obito/Madara and doesn't credit her for saving him against Pain... she has no merit in all that. She gets points for her intentions, but the results are not her doing. Without Kurama, Pain would've killed Naruto, without Minato Kurama would've burned Naruto's skin to a crisp, all these interferences ended up causing Pain's defeat. This wasn't a plan of Hinata's, though.

 

[fayeon]

Because unlike Sakura - THE MAIN HEROINE of Naruto doesn't whine in important situations, doesn't put her comrades life at risk by doing something stupid, always liked Naruto for what he was and not just cos he got powerful and for saving her!!!

Her ninja way is the same as Naruto plus she is prepared to risk her life for him.... Why Sakura even deserves this title is beyond absurd!

sakura doesnt whine she asked naruto help once not for her self for the village and sakura didnt put her friends at danger


unlike hinata who failed to save naruto and made naruto go insane and turn kyubbi wwhich put people lives in danger

minato fixed that and saved the day but hinata gets the credit .

Also sakura saved hinata live showing that she is a hero .

Plus sakura risked her life for naruto .read the manga .

Sakura risks herlife for anyone needed her while hinata risk her life for the guy she loves only


Sakura is more heroine than hinata nuff said

 

[Exaar]

I think you misinterpreted. All I'm doing giving more credit to Minato basically.

Hinata's actions worked out well and all and her heart was in the right place, but the outcome of her actions still posed a threat to Naruto's own life and the whole village, which would of been the case if Minato did not show up. Thus Minato get's more credit from me.

I was actually implying that you where playing games but w/e.

I'm not sure if your serious or completely ignoring people.

I have said many times, if minato did not stop the kyuubi, No further damage would of happened to the Leaf or it's shinobi because the kyuubi would of been trapped in chibaku tensei.

Also Naruto's life was already in danger the moment Pain pinned him down, So you can't blame hinata for putting his life at risk since it was already at risk before she even came to save naruto.

 

[Momo86]

Her destiny in the story might lead into that conclusion; but that is also something makes her Naruto's satellite; there are other characters who possibly won't end up with Naruto; but they have more in "concern" department in their minds.
People do not get into Taoist legacy thing when they think about Hinata; they just think "Naruhina all the way", because Hinata is "perfect".

Most people do not like her characteristics aspects because of the reasoning like yours.
What people go through in their life defines the way of their likings; you found someone who is deeper than a submissive girl; but Hinata is not deepened; she is just a shy submissive girl who would be willing to anything for a single person; does not seem deeper than that; with few common points; you might find her reminding you a certain person, but it is not the same with many others.

Again with the people going through in their lives; my country is not the greatest when it comes to gender equality; so some females like me would prefer to be strong and live on their own(and not just for someone; some people even brainwash their daughters in that way); the general culture can effect a person in it's opposite way; i walk the streets with the same hundreds of people who would prefer the likes of me to be nothing but servers and slaves to their men everyday; so my opinion on a character like Hinata might be different than others who have different experiences.

Well, I hear you. My country his Italy, Sicily specifically, and while things are not as bad as in your description I'm not quite satisfied with the outlook on women here, either. In fact, it sucks.

For this reason, for instance, I always found Orihime Inoue annoying even if the poor girl certainly has done nothing to annoy just anybody. I understand where you're coming from, really.

I admit my sympathy for Hinata skyrocketed when she slapped Naruto, too.

 

[Fanta]

I'm not sure if your serious or completely ignoring people.

I have said many times, if minato did not stop the kyuubi, No further damage would of happened to the Leaf or it's shinobi because the kyuubi would of been trapped in chibaku tensei.

Also Naruto's life was already in danger the moment Pain pinned him down, So you can't blame hinata for putting his life at risk since it was already at risk before she even came to save naruto.

Kuuybi would of broke out just like it originally did..

Face it man, you're swimming against the tied. I mean there's this guy tied with a rope in the water and you're swimming in the opposite direction of him. Shame on you for swimming against the tied.

XD

 

[Momo86]

The discussion is circular. Analyzing what happened after Hinata was KOed has little to do with her character anyway.

In an attempt to answer the original question briefly, I think people either appreciate her sweetness, admire her developement, or just like her submissive attitude, which is probably her worst trait but is still appealing to some men of shallow interests.

Case closed.

 

[Joshutsu]

Hah, then frequently losing clothing and being portrayed in a excessively sexually suggestive way is good...... I would rather have females who are useless but not portrayed as sexual items rather than females who appear strong but sexually exploited every third chapter (also never happen to participate in the deciding battle...... but lets just leave it as it is the naturally the honor position of the main character)..... I detest Hiro for this lowly fan service.

Don't be a hypocrite, both animes degrade women just in different forms. I shouldn't even have to tell you how kishi makes his women. Nuff said.

 

[Oksus]

Because unlike Sakura - THE MAIN HEROINE of Naruto doesn't whine in important situations, doesn't put her comrades life at risk by doing something stupid, always liked Naruto for what he was and not just cos he got powerful and for saving her!!!

Her ninja way is the same as Naruto plus she is prepared to risk her life for him.... Why Sakura even deserves this title is beyond absurd!

LoL. It's really funny seeing all Hinata fans in denial. I think you should just accept the fact that Sakura is a MAIN heroine, while Hinata is merely a side-character. She had her minute ( if you could call it that, it was more of a second) in spotlight and now she is back to background Plot of this manga does not revolve around her. Her death would be meaningless to the plot itself. Yes it would affect Naruto and rest of the K11 for sometime and then she would be forgotten, like Neji was unfortunately. Not saying that Sakura is that much better, but her death would have an impact on the plot, seeing as one of the main themes revolves around Team 7 being reunited again, seeing as how her story is not yet completed, how it is yet to be known how she reacts to Sasuke being "good", and Tsunades apparent death.
You should face it, Hinata is a completed character, her development is finished, it was all about losing her shyness and finally becoming ready to be a clan leader.

 

[Anorien16]

Don't be a hypocrite, both animes degrade women just in different forms. I shouldn't even have to tell you how kishi makes his women. Nuff said.

Kishi at least does not exploit his females characters for cheap fanservice .... If I want nude females I wld watch Highschool DxD or other ecchi even hentai, they are intended to be crappy but horny stuff.... Hiro completely exploits them for the horny teenagers, even my sister complains about that ...... Kishi has a bit old fashioned mentality but never degrades them like fairy tail.

 

[Aim64C]

Your reasoning is correct, but she was unaware that she'd be the trigger. Hinata didn't save Naruto, she tried to and her failure triggered a series of events that turned up positive. She had no control over that,

Destiny is an interesting thing. You can see what needs to be done. You may not be able to predict everything that will happen, and don't need to. The Taoist sees merely what needs to be done, and does it. What happens afterward is as nature intended.

no wonders Naruto credits her for saving him when she slapped his face against Obito/Madara and doesn't credit her for saving him against Pain... she has no merit in all that.

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Are we reading the same manga?

She gets points for her intentions, but the results are not her doing.

This betrays a failure to understand the Taoist.

Wei Wu Wei. Action without action - or Action without effort. "When you do things right, people won't know you've done anything, at all."

Without Kurama, Pain would've killed Naruto, without Minato Kurama would've burned Naruto's skin to a crisp, all these interferences ended up causing Pain's defeat. This wasn't a plan of Hinata's, though.

Hinata saw what needed to be done.

We can play her character's actions from two (not exclusive) angles. As the Taoist, and as the girl with low self-esteem. She saw what needed to be done, and would have rather died than live in a world where Naruto was captured and she stood by to watch.

I used to think Kishimoto was nothing more than a lucky idiot who impressed a publisher, somehow. But after witnessing the depth of the Yin and Yang relationship and the Taoist principles portrayed in Naruto... I have to say that I'm greatly impressed. There are still areas requiring improvement - but the level he's gone to with it in Naruto and Hinata's interactions is quite impressive.

Had I not taken such an interest in the design of the Hyuuga - I wouldn't have picked up on the theme.

 

[Oksus]

Don't be a hypocrite, both animes degrade women just in different forms. I shouldn't even have to tell you how kishi makes his women. Nuff said.

It's true, compared to the male characters, female characters are weaker, get less screen time, and less special abilities. In 530 chapters of Manga we have yet to see a female Sharingan user, or even a powerful female that is not a Kage.