Hijab

[Babadook]

Nope-You have a serious reading comprehension issue or you think you can get away with intentional misunderstanding of the post and twisting it anyway you like.

1) Tell me where did I go wrong. I'm all ears.

2) You accuse me of trying to get away with twisting your post, yet all you've done so far is having cherrypicked that muslism should dress differently, and you made a whole lament about why I shouldn't reply to you. Thus, ignoring that all my post was supposed to be about is that as men have a dress code too, it's not about oppression. Agree or not?

3) You also ignored me saying that I agree though that the hijab in itself won't necessarily save a girl from being harrassed.

I don't. You are being extremely ignorant.

DoN't just put forth an ad hominem argument. Make some real arguments. Tell me, then, why did you highlight my quote from islamqa, that muslims should dress differently? If you don't care, why did you highlight it and tried to use it to dismiss my post, without giving any real arguments? Who's the ignorant one here?

I don't mind at all. You are being silly to assume my response.

What is it that you don't mind? Running around naked, or that you actually can't run around being naked, not just by the islamic dress code, but basically, nowhere in the civilized world? You claim I assume your response, yet you sound ambiguous, so how coudl I assume your response? See, I'm even asking you to specify what is it that you don't mind.

I didn't say it's necessarily a form of oppression but social conditioning too.

Fair enough. So, what exactly is it that you are so fiercly arguing for/against? Just what did I say for which you had to tell me to shut up, basically? Guess wut, once I tried to shut Aim64C up..it was about 1,5 yrs ago...and he made a long post explaining why I don't have individuaity, for not being able to take that others have different views.

I got a bit butthurt but in the long run I guess he was right.

Now I suggest the same to you. Just accept that there are different societes with different perceptions of modesty. Everyone likes to think their one is the best. So, if you think liberal clothing is better than the muslim one, fine. Whatever sails your boat. But that's also just a result of social conditioning, then. Can it be abused? Sure. Can hijabs be abused and used for oppression? Sure. Is it meant as such? No.

Of course you wouldn't know the difference.

Who's assuming what now? This is like the 5th or 6th ad hominem accusation in this thread only. Should I keep counting till you'll look even more foolish, or you'll stop making them for your own sake?

But I can quote Muslim intellectual view regarding it. Some do find it hindrance to be forced to wear it, some may actually like it.

And? I know about that and I never denied that some people abuse it.

But when people are shooting at a teen girl's leg for wearing jeans and not wearing a burqua denying it being used as a tool for oppression too, is just living in a bubble.

Again, I didn't deny that it can be used as a form of oppression. I said that there are males who respect females regardless of wearing the hijab, and there are males who will shoot at people for whatever excuse they make up, be it the absence of hijab or, f.e., that they are of a different religion, race...etc. Anything can be used as oppression, but that goes for sexual liberalism as well.

Lame. I have plenty. I even carry one in my purse. You take care of yourself.

You have plenty, yet apparently you don't use any of them...

God expects them to do so? What kind of God would tell people to cover their natural look?

I don't really get your reasoning. God is God, only one of a kind. He can expect whatever He wants. Noone said you have to agree.

 

[Lord Tywin]

My job here is done :bdpf:

 

[Ansatsuken]

1) Tell me where did I go wrong. I'm all ears.

2) You accuse me of trying to get away with twisting your post, yet all you've done so far is having cherrypicked that muslism should dress differently, and you made a whole lament about why I shouldn't reply to you. Thus, ignoring that all my post was supposed to be about is that as men have a dress code too, it's not about oppression. Agree or not?

3) You also ignored me saying that I agree though that the hijab in itself won't necessarily save a girl from being harrassed.



DoN't just put forth an ad hominem argument. Make some real arguments. Tell me, then, why did you highlight my quote from islamqa, that muslims should dress differently? If you don't care, why did you highlight it and tried to use it to dismiss my post, without giving any real arguments? Who's the ignorant one here?



What is it that you don't mind? Running around naked, or that you actually can't run around being naked, not just by the islamic dress code, but basically, nowhere in the civilized world? You claim I assume your response, yet you sound ambiguous, so how coudl I assume your response? See, I'm even asking you to specify what is it that you don't mind.


Fair enough. So, what exactly is it that you are so fiercly arguing for/against? Just what did I say for which you had to tell me to shut up, basically? Guess wut, once I tried to shut Aim64C up..it was about 1,5 yrs ago...and he made a long post explaining why I don't have individuaity, for not being able to take that others have different views.

I got a bit butthurt but in the long run I guess he was right.

Now I suggest the same to you. Just accept that there are different societes with different perceptions of modesty. Everyone likes to think their one is the best. So, if you think liberal clothing is better than the muslim one, fine. Whatever sails your boat. But that's also just a result of social conditioning, then. Can it be abused? Sure. Can hijabs be abused and used for oppression? Sure. Is it meant as such? No.


Who's assuming what now? This is like the 5th or 6th ad hominem accusation in this thread only. Should I keep counting till you'll look even more foolish, or you'll stop making them for your own sake?


And? I know about that and I never denied that some people abuse it.


Again, I didn't deny that it can be used as a form of oppression. I said that there are males who respect females regardless of wearing the hijab, and there are males who will shoot at people for whatever excuse they make up, be it the absence of hijab or, f.e., that they are of a different religion, race...etc. Anything can be used as oppression, but that goes for sexual liberalism as well.



You have plenty, yet apparently you don't use any of them...


I don't really get your reasoning. God is God, only one of a kind. He can expect whatever He wants. Noone said you have to agree.

Are you been here before? Whats you former account?

 

[Lord Tywin]

I don't really get your reasoning. God is God, only one of a kind. He can expect whatever He wants. Noone said you have to agree.

Why is this almighty and needless God demanding things from his creations? Why does he want them to bend over left and right to worship him? Why does he say that you're going to hell, even if you're a good person, if you're not worshipping him? No God like that exists.
@Az eleon, I'm from Iran.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Maybe because it hides people's features. Making them look sneeky?

I think you confused Hijab with Niqab.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

People are free to wear what they want, wear a hijab, a bra, go around naked i really don't care.

How would muslims see if this woman is attractive or not?

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that's not Hijab. :lol

 

[BLAZE]

What do you expect? It's God. He obviously has a God complex and demands us to do what he thinks he's right, coz he's infallible. :bdpf:

I lol'd hard u know :bdpf:

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

They say God is beyond human understanding, but he has shown human traits we can easily understand. He acts in a human way. Even if there is a God, he's not the egotistical, arrogant, and ruthless deity these religions show him to be.

Now many will believe they're gods, if you put it this way and even if it be for seconds i beleived i'm a god too Lol

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

Why is this almighty and needless God demanding things from his creations? Why does he want them to bend over left and right to worship him? Why does he say that you're going to hell, even if you're a good person, if you're not worshipping him? No God like that exists.
@Az eleon, I'm from Iran.

Zoroastrian detected.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Hijab prevents rape too, my friend.

So you're saying "you should wear a hijab to not get raped" :lol people shouldn't be raped in the first place, a girl isn't still asking for it even if she's showing too much. :lol

 

[Babadook]

Why is this almighty and needless God demanding things from his creations? Why does he want them to bend over left and right to worship him? Why does he say that you're going to hell, even if you're a good person, if you're not worshipping him?

Actually, God doesn't need your worship. It's us humans who need God, in the end. From a religious perspective- that is, my perspective- even if you don't believe in God, or even if you're living your life in ignorance to His expectations, well, you can only do that because He allows you to do so. You exist only because of Him. Thus, you need Him anyway. You depend on Him, whether you admit it or not. Of course I know that from your perspective it doesn't make sense. I used to be there.

The Quran says God created mankind to worship Him. He placed us on Earth as a test. It's your own interest to pass it. If you think it's enough to be a 'good person'- fine. Then you'll have had all your reward in this life. You just wanna be a good person- alright, be a good person, whatever makes you feel good. But then, that's all your reward. If you don't seek God, and His mercy, why do you expect mercy? If you think there is nothing but this life, why do you expect more? Be consistent. You don't believe in God, you don't care about His expectations, so you have no right to have any expectations in return either.

And yet, God is still righteous and merciful. I guess none of us deserve His mercy...but He may forgive whoever He wants. It's in the Quran.

So, noone really knows who goes to hell or heaven. I don't know either. I can't know if you'll go to hell or not, or if I go to heaven or not. But one thing is sure: as the Quran says, noone will suffer any injustice in the end. So don't worry. Of course you being a good person will be taken into account. You can be sure that all of us will get what we've earned. Of course, that might not be enough for heaven...

No God like that exists.

Okay then.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

How does it in any way shape or form look beautifull

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don't date them then. :bdpf:

 

[Babadook]

The Quran is a load of tosh.

Why would anyone follow the Abrahamic faiths, which are chock full of bs?

Again, then don't follow it. You're convinced it's bs- fine. Who cares? Live your life, die, and you'll have what you wanted. Fair enough, isn't it?

 

[CrimsonReaper]

The Quran is a load of tosh.

Why would anyone follow the Abrahamic faiths, which are chock full of bs?

quite frankly that's none of your or anyone's business.

 

[Babadook]

That doesn't justify people having to follow a lie.

Noone has to follow a lie.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Actually, God doesn't need your worship. It's us humans who need God, in the end. From a religious perspective- that is, my perspective- even if you don't believe in God, or even if you're living your life in ignorance to His expectations, well, you can only do that because He allows you to do so. You exist only because of Him. Thus, you need Him anyway. You depend on Him, whether you admit it or not. Of course I know that from your perspective it doesn't make sense. I used to be there.

The Quran says God created mankind to worship Him. He placed us on Earth as a test. It's your own interest to pass it. If you think it's enough to be a 'good person'- fine. Then you'll have had all your reward in this life. You just wanna be a good person- alright, be a good person, whatever makes you feel good. But then, that's all your reward. If you don't seek God, and His mercy, why do you expect mercy? If you think there is nothing but this life, why do you expect more? Be consistent. You don't believe in God, you don't care about His expectations, so you have no right to have any expectations in return either.

And yet, God is still righteous and merciful. I guess none of us deserve His mercy...but He may forgive whoever He wants. It's in the Quran.

So, noone really knows who goes to hell or heaven. I don't know either. I can't know if you'll go to hell or not, or if I go to heaven or not. But one thing is sure: as the Quran says, noone will suffer any injustice in the end. So don't worry. Of course you being a good person will be taken into account. You can be sure that all of us will get what we've earned. Of course, that might not be enough for heaven...


Okay then.

this sounds really legit. An extremely good person goes to hell because he doesn't believe in God. Why would God need to show mercy to the purest of people, even if they don't believe God?

Zoroastrian detected.

lmao whar if I was? I'm not, but what if I was?

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

quite frankly that's none of your or anyone's business.

As a preacher of truth, it is.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Say NO to atheism

Are you a Hindu? You say "Say no to atheism" but say abrahamic religions are garbage. Or are you agnostic?

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

Noone has to follow a lie.

It is a lie.

I can list of facts about the religion if you want.
Sufism is ok, but lo & behold, they get persecuted.

 

[Babadook]

this sounds really legit. An extremely good person goes to hell because he doesn't believe in God. Why would God need to show mercy to the purest of people, even if they don't believe God?

That's not what I said though.

Anyway, if you don't believe in God, by what right do you expect to go to heaven for being good? You believe you are good on your own merit. Fine. Be good, and die. This is what you believe, this is what you get.

But again, even then, noone really knows who'll go to heaven and hell, but God. A seemingly good religious person might as well end up in hell, for it turns out he/she was a hypocrite all along.

It is a lie.

I can list of facts about the religion if you want.

Don't bother. I used to be an atheist, having grown up in a christian family in a secular country yet I chose to be a muslim. I doubt you could tell me anything new, bud. Besides, this has gone way off topic already.